Tow Vehicle

**cucv** · 08-10-2021, 04:47 PM

Our friends are getting about 1/3 normal range towing the boat or camper in the white mountains with the Tesla. They enjoy planning trips around charging stops and this was the first time where they got stuck by the lack of infrastructure.

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**Holdmybeer** · 08-10-2021, 05:48 PM

I assume they are towing with a model X since everything else would not tow much and be too low to the ground. If they were close to the 5000# mark on their boat, they are lucky to pull 100 miles on flat ground. Mountain should be killing their range. Again if this is a lighter boat then a little more.

That new Hummer suv looks intriguing but the price tag is crazy and the range sucks if you really think about it.

The new Lightining appears to be a winner but not enough info to make a good decision. I need 350 miles towing 8k in Tennessee terrain to convert from dinosaur liquid.

**larry_arizona** · 08-10-2021, 06:19 PM

No OEM with an EV truck coming will talk about towing range, it’s a deal killer and bad marketing to be honest about the liability. As stated above, expect 60-70% range loss.

Then start looking at charge stations or super chargers…….99% are not set up to handle a truck and trailer.

So like the example above…..dump boat off somewhere, go charge and go back and get trailer.

Best case let’s say you get 150-200 miles range with towing a boat……how many charges would you tolerate at 45min-90min plus unhooking boat each time? I wouldn’t tolerate 1x.

Heads up, most EV makers are recommending not letting batteries get under 10% or charge greater than 90% thus further limiting range.

Give me a 5min refuel and 350 mile range all day every day.

EV apologists will claim they love the adventure and claim my arguements are just F.U.D, but no way am I ok with adding 4-5 hours to a 600 mile towing trip each way.

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**Zog** · 08-10-2021, 07:00 PM

The only way I see it working would be on my closest lake (30 miles away). No way to haul anything long distances. Then it really becomes a show pony, not useful for anything but the commute and occasional short distance tows or for a quick camping trip on a dirt road. No way would I tolerate the charges. I spoke to someone who said they treat the charges as part of the trip, taking a moment to break up the drive with a moment to eat a sit down lunch. I don't drive that way.

I'm with you on the 5 minute fill larry.

**larry_arizona** · 08-10-2021, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Zog

The only way I see it working would be on my closest lake (30 miles away). No way to haul anything long distances. Then it really becomes a show pony, not useful for anything but the commute and occasional short distance tows or for a quick camping trip on a dirt road. No way would I tolerate the charges. I spoke to someone who said they treat the charges as part of the trip, taking a moment to break up the drive with a moment to eat a sit down lunch. I don't drive that way.

I'm with you on the 5 minute fill larry.

Who can stop eat and smell the roses 4-5 times on 600 mile trip.

It’s all part of trying to sell the EV life. Nobody I know is truly embracing the slow trip to taking vacations.

They may say it, but they truly hate it.

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**Holdmybeer** · 08-10-2021, 07:30 PM

My vacation is precious and not replaceable. The point is to get to the spot and start enjoying it not spend a day driving and a day smelling roses. 2 days wasted driving is bad enough now buy and EV and make it 4....no thanks...not yet

**sandm** · 08-10-2021, 08:35 PM

my neighbor behind me has a deposit on a new rivian truck. I'm probably as excited as he is to get it as I know I'll get a ride in it. gettin the launch edition. he did say he's not selling his avalanche for 6 months until he figures out if electric is for him. he also has a 2021 c8 so doesn't really have anything good for long distance trips.. c8 is NOT comfortable imo...

**larry_arizona** · 08-10-2021, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by sandm

my neighbor behind me has a deposit on a new rivian truck. I'm probably as excited as he is to get it as I know I'll get a ride in it. gettin the launch edition. he did say he's not selling his avalanche for 6 months until he figures out if electric is for him. he also has a 2021 c8 so doesn't really have anything good for long distance trips.. c8 is NOT comfortable imo...

What is he going to tow with the Rivian?

They were just delayed a bit due to semi conductors.

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**sandm** · 08-10-2021, 09:43 PM

he's not towing anything. he's in his late70's. it's a daily driver for he and his wife. vette is his weekend car although he's had it 8 months and has 7k on the clock.

talked to him at cars and coffee last weekend and he said the rivian was originally an august 1 delivery but now he's being told october 1. he said he'll be happy if it's this year. his brother ordered a launch edition as well. iirc 80k for the truck.
he's a car guy through and through(won the silver state classic in his speed class with his old c6 vette a few years ago) so not sure why he picked rivian knowing ford has a pretty cool ev in the lightning and betting it'll be a longer term better ride but I get a sense he's a ford hater

**larry_arizona** · 08-10-2021, 10:09 PM

The Rivian truck and suv are really cool.

Fast too.

We have content in both and it’s more of a lifestyle truck for outdoorsy types, whereas the lightning is more of a normal mainstream pick up.

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