Just filled the June build slot

[larry_arizona]

At low elevation the 400 is a lot of engine.

Had my SA at 10700# last Friday and was no struggle surfing at 11mph.

1000ft elevation,


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[Arcadyus]

We haven't got to demo because they don't have any. Yeah when we went to see the Max he said we had 2 days to choose that slot. So it was obv already slotted for a 400. I've been on a Max so assume the makai can only be better. Aren't they the same motor just mapped diff? If so I can just get it remapped right, lol.
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[TXSurf4]

Aren't they the same motor just mapped diff? If so I can just get it remapped right, lol.
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The 400 & the 450? Or the 400 in the Max and Makai?


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[Arcadyus]

At low elevation the 400 is a lot of engine.

Had my SA at 10700# last Friday and was no struggle surfing at 11mph.

1000ft elevation,


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I have been a salesman my entire professional career. I know was someone is being genuine. I felt like Zac is. That's a lot of weight and makes me feel better about our decision. Thank you for posting this.

[larry_arizona]

The 440 was a remapped 400, identical engine internals. In 2018, the 440 was a $7000+ option and was only 23 ft lbs of torque difference. Not worth the money.

The 450/460 may also be identical internals with a 91octane tune, but does come with a lower geared trans.

You cannot remap the Indmar ECM’s and cannot buy them either.


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[TXSurf4]

The 440 was a remapped 400, identical engine internals.

The 450/460 may also be identical internals with a 91octane tune, but does come with a lower geared trans.

You cannot remap the Indmar ECM’s and cannot buy them either.


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Ya the 450 is a 460 just with a smaller diameter exhaust. They are all obviously the same block but the 450 & 460 have different heads, different tune ect..... from those on the 400 & 440. The 1.76 trans in the 450 is a big difference as well and also allows a larger prop.


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[dakota4ce]

Is this going to have a 1.76 or 1.5 transmission?


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[rdlangston13]

Is there any performance differences in the 450/460 due to the smaller exhaust? And if so, why put a smaller exhaust in and generate two different engines?

[dakota4ce]

Is there any performance differences in the 450/460 due to the smaller exhaust? And if so, why put a smaller exhaust in and generate two different engines?

It’s some very small torque and hp difference. Like small single digits on each.

I would guess engine compartment space concerns?


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[RUGER761]

Just to throw this out there. I demo'd a 2018 Max last fall that the dealer had been using for surf nights. It had an extra 2150# over the factory 3000# with the 400. It had the surf prop on it, and had no issue at all 500ft elevation surf speeds. I took it up to 23mph just to see what the wake would look like at that speed and weight. While it was only a demo, the 400 seemed perfectly fine to me and that's how he had it set up for the surf nights. Now the Makai has 1000# extra stock ballast and is 700# heavier dry than the Max. Correct prop with any of them is always important.