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Thread: Adding dual pumps per bag
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10-26-2018, 10:59 PM #21Senior Member
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10-27-2018, 09:07 AM #22Member
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Hi Headric56,
Were you able to keep the use of the factory dash switches and fill timers with your new setup? The guys at Wakemakers didn’t know if that was possible. Seemed to think the timers wouldn’t recognize the ballast king pumps. I would have thought it was possible to do by increasing the wire gauges appropriately. I wouldn’t have thought that the timers were so sophisticated as to be monitoring current draw.
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10-27-2018, 09:57 AM #23Senior Member
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The switches on the dash are just timers, the magic happens with the relay. The timers just turn the relays on/off. The puppies use a 15amp fuse? The kings need 19amp, you'd at least need to upgrade the fuse and check the wire size. My plan is just to swap pumps to the faster pump too.
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10-27-2018, 05:12 PM #24Junior Member
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My setup uses the standard switches and the factory timers. The ballast king pulls to much current for the PDM and they do not work. That is why the relay modules are required. That side is pretty much covered by the previous posts in this thread.
Because I have upgraded the size of the rear sacks with probably over winter install another pump per bag on the rear because they are a few minutes slower than the standard center sackLast edited by Headric56; 10-27-2018 at 05:18 PM.
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10-29-2018, 11:00 AM #25Senior Member
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I'll be interested in upgrading to the ballast kings at some point in the future as a useful mod. I was curious and actually found it hard to get flowrate comparisons of the Jabsco puppy vs. the ballast king on just wakemakers or Amazon. After digging a little online I came up with 9 GPM for the puppy vs. 16 GPM for the ballast king. So, there should be some good payback there in fill time. But, still about a $1K mod for just material when you consider wiring, fuses, etc.
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12-23-2018, 02:53 PM #26
I mentioned the idea of adding another pump per bag to my service guy the other day. His response was that if I did that, I would have to go with a bigger alternator. I backed away slowly, pointed behind him and yelled SQUIRREL!
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12-23-2018, 02:58 PM #27
Adding dual pumps per bag
Hrmmmm, sounds like a service advisor who doesn’t want the work.
Even if you needed a bigger alternator, and I doubt it, add a bigger alternator, simple bolt on.
I have not looked but imagine a ford alternator is maybe $150-$200.
Rockauto has a 200amp for the 6.2l F250’s for $146.
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12-23-2018, 03:19 PM #28
I thought it was odd as well. I am kind of on the fence still though about wether or not I need to fill faster. The lake we usually ride on has an 8 mph limit until out of the bay, which usually takes about 10 minutes so the bags are over half full. My wife and son are now ropeless so we really only fill once a day. Maybe the money would be better spent on a foil.
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12-23-2018, 09:35 PM #29
Just a thought, but you could install the Johnson controls ballast pumps in place of the Jabsco Ballast Puppies. I think the puppies are 720 gph and you can install the 810 gph Johnson's with no additional wiring. The only time I have seen you have to run relays and wiring are for the ballast Kings. You could go with the Johnson when it is time to do your impellers, then sell the puppies to offset your cost and come out close to even on the upgrade.
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12-23-2018, 10:05 PM #30
the real world flow difference between the johnson ultra ballast and jabsco ballast puppy is measured in seconds.