just saw your reply 2in2, so thanks as well. The LSV sold, didn't last long. So out searching again, this time found a sweet 2009 Supra Launch 22'...

I'm not financing, so that's not an issue, what is at issue is trying to understand what provides a "good surf wave" (not a simple definition I'm finding). Lots of information and opinions out there, and it's great to see pics and vids as well. I've seen every opinion from stock Helix works fine to need to add ballast to the Max or won't be much for surfing, so rather wide range. Appears to depend on lots of factors- weight of rider, acceptable distance from the boat (that the rider feels comfortable), board length, style, all new bells and whistles one might desire. It's odd to hear boats of 10yrs ago that pros used, today are not adequate? Maybe I need to research what the setup was back then in these boats in competition (not that I ever expect to come near to that level!).

If new I still would consider the Max, and maybe the A22. But then I think about the Helix, can it deliver an acceptable wave? If so, what about the A20? (I don't need a 22" boat, but consensus is that's the sweet, or at least, starting?, spot.

My local dealer is inland and no stock to test, unless i want a fishing boat!- and then if I travel to test, not sure they will be willing if they expect I wouldn't purchase from them since they are so far away and i have a closer dealer (just without any stock).... I don't see a test in my future unfortunately.