Flow 3.0 - Is it good?

[dakota4ce]

Here’s another crazy finding, my Makai was better with GSA, but not markedly so. In fact, it was hard to tell. I removed it and went back to factory software functionality because of Autolaunch.


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[KnoxMojo]

Flow and Swell are different because Supra and Moomba are actually 2 different companies under Skiers Choice.. they each also have their own engineers.. my guess is they're different because the hulls are different between the 2 with different geometry. Just an uneducated guess, not sure why they share some tech but not the surf system.

[SONIC]

The timing of actuator power pulse will be completely different. Moomba uses short throw 2.25” actuators, GSA uses long throw 4.25”

But go ahead and figure out how to make it work. You sound like you have it all figured out. Would love to use GSA tabs.


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Not sure why so argumentative.
There are certainly changes to be made and it's obviously not going to bolt up with stock gsa parts.
My last gsa build used 2.25" short throw Bennett actuators so that's not a problem.

Auto level and launch would still work if done correctly. It all comes down to the geometry of the mounting to get the deployments close to the factory deployment with similar timing.

Not trying to be an ass but just because you bolted stock parts up and it didn't work doesn't mean it can't if done properly.

[KnoxMojo]

Not sure why so argumentative.
There are certainly changes to be made and it's obviously not going to bolt up with stock gsa parts.
My last gsa build used 2.25" short throw Bennett actuators so that's not a problem.

Auto level and launch would still work if done correctly. It all comes down to the geometry of the mounting to get the deployments close to the factory deployment with similar timing.

Not trying to be an ass but just because you bolted stock parts up and it didn't work doesn't mean it can't if done properly.

At that point it looks like you're just wanting a larger tab? I'm not sure all the effort on a boat that has a nice surf system is really worth all the effort.. several people have done gsa on the new boats, all said it was better, and only marginally, and that may have just been hopeful thinking because they spent the money to do it. Really hard to quantify results.

[SONIC]

Gsa tabs are a lot more than just larger tabs.
I like to tinker and make things. My SA wave is great. If I can make it better why not.

To clarify spending 4k on it is in no way worth it on a new boat IMO.
But I can make them for nothing and see what happens.

[KnoxMojo]

Gsa tabs are a lot more than just larger tabs.
I like to tinker and make things. My SA wave is great. If I can make it better why not.

To clarify spending 4k on it is in no way worth it on a new boat IMO.
But I can make them for nothing and see what happens.

Fair enough.. have fun, hopefully it's great, I'll buy a set, lol

[dakota4ce]

Not sure why so argumentative.
There are certainly changes to be made and it's obviously not going to bolt up with stock gsa parts.
My last gsa build used 2.25" short throw Bennett actuators so that's not a problem.

Auto level and launch would still work if done correctly. It all comes down to the geometry of the mounting to get the deployments close to the factory deployment with similar timing.

Not trying to be an ass but just because you bolted stock parts up and it didn't work doesn't mean it can't if done properly.

I did not “bolt stock parts” up. I installed GSA.


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[dakota4ce]

Not sure why so argumentative.
There are certainly changes to be made and it's obviously not going to bolt up with stock gsa parts.
My last gsa build used 2.25" short throw Bennett actuators so that's not a problem.

Auto level and launch would still work if done correctly. It all comes down to the geometry of the mounting to get the deployments close to the factory deployment with similar timing.

Not trying to be an ass but just because you bolted stock parts up and it didn't work doesn't mean it can't if done properly.

Really interested to see how you got the large range of movement out of a 2.25” stock actuator without overloading it due to what will need to be a very short lever arm. Show me some pics of your last build? What was it on?

I would never do it in a 2020 SA personally. The improvement in wave was negligible at best on Makai. Swell 3.0 is a great setup.


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[dakota4ce]

Not sure why so argumentative.
There are certainly changes to be made and it's obviously not going to bolt up with stock gsa parts.
My last gsa build used 2.25" short throw Bennett actuators so that's not a problem.

Auto level and launch would still work if done correctly. It all comes down to the geometry of the mounting to get the deployments close to the factory deployment with similar timing.

Not trying to be an ass but just because you bolted stock parts up and it didn't work doesn't mean it can't if done properly.

You’re right, it’s all geometry. So you’re going to change the mounting point of the GSA tab to be much closer to the hinge. Like, borderline right next to the hinge. At that point it’s not a GSA tab, it’s a home made tab that is like GSA. That’s a bit different than what we were talking about. Which was converting a SC boat to GSA tabs. You’re starting from scratch with one off stuff out of your shop.

I personally would be very concerned about auto leveling—deploying that giant tab into the water stream at 25mph. That’s a shit ton of force on the mounting screws.

I say get to getting! It would be neat to see.

Show us what you did before?


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[SONIC]

Really interested to see how you got the large range of movement out of a 2.25” stock actuator without overloading it due to what will need to be a very short lever arm. Show me some pics of your last build? What was it on?

I would never do it in a 2020 SA personally. The improvement in wave was negligible at best on Makai. Swell 3.0 is a great setup.


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Tige 23V.
It is a short lever arm, but no issue with the actuators.
30 degrees up 14 degrees down.

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Lots of testing with placement to get it right.

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i agree Swell3 is very good, but I'd put money on GSA style being better. No way to know but to try though