Flow 3.0 - Is it good?

[SONIC]

They both need to license GSA like Tige and MB have IMO. I'm probably going to retrofit GSA style tabs onto my swell system at some point.

[sandm]

but adding a second set of actuators (along with the warranty issues that will bring) is surely pricier than the swell bracket.

this same thought went thru our conversations as we discussed a new boat purchase. frankly was the only negative that we could find on the moombas that felt like it was going to be a repair cost down the road. it also made me think about having too much adjustability in the wave.

as the boat captain, when I step into the water to surf, the easier the helm the better as seems my pulls are never as good as others.... sure some would agree.
and ya, sonic I thought the same thing but didn't want to be the first to type it on gsa those that have done side by side with gsa say it's the bomb on any boat.

[dakota4ce]

this same thought went thru our conversations as we discussed a new boat purchase. frankly was the only negative that we could find on the moombas that felt like it was going to be a repair cost down the road. it also made me think about having too much adjustability in the wave.

as the boat captain, when I step into the water to surf, the easier the helm the better as seems my pulls are never as good as others.... sure some would agree.
and ya, sonic I thought the same thing but didn't want to be the first to type it on gsa those that have done side by side with gsa say it's the bomb on any boat.

Flow 3 is not adjustable at all—second actuator is automated.

And GSA would be sweet, except all the factory software is incompatible due to different timing and actuator throw. You would have to be a relay wizard or go with a GSA controller.


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[jnr4817]

If the 2nd actuator is automated, why not split difference in degrees bent and put a bend on the flow 2.0 tabs with a break? Makes since to use the general degree the flow 3.0 use from 0-100 and place the medium degree on the flow surf 2.0 tab. No idea if this even makes since, but would be an interesting test. I wonder how much yaw a piece of 2" 90 degree angled metal screwed to the side of the tab would produce.

[dakota4ce]

If the 2nd actuator is automated, why not split difference in degrees bent and put a bend on the flow 2.0 tabs with a break? Makes since to use the general degree the flow 3.0 use from 0-100 and place the medium degree on the flow surf 2.0 tab. No idea if this even makes since, but would be an interesting test. I wonder how much yaw a piece of 2" 90 degree angled metal screwed to the side of the tab would produce.

Except in the stowed position, the whole plate is basically parallel to the bottom of the boat. The second tab needs to be “retracted” to be up and out of the flow of water.

I think a 90 of lip on the tab would do little, aside from cause some turbulence. Would be easy to try though.


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[dakota4ce]

At full amplitude, the secondary tab is all the way down. Which is how most people surf. So any bend would have to be a full bend and thus cause issues when in the stowed position.

Swell avoids this by retracting to a position above parallel and has the angle built into the hinge.


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[dakota4ce]

These tabs are also now being employed in auto leveling, which is where the flow tab design would be superior to the swell.

It’s all very interesting!


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[SONIC]

Flow 3 is not adjustable at all—second actuator is automated.

And GSA would be sweet, except all the factory software is incompatible due to different timing and actuator throw. You would have to be a relay wizard or go with a GSA controller.


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Factory software would work fine with gsa tabs. You set the deploy percentage, it just may be lower or higher than the stock tabs. You may or may not have to change the actuator mount position depending on the install.
I'll probably build my own this winter and see what happens.

[dakota4ce]

Factory software would work fine with gsa tabs. You set the deploy percentage, it just may be lower or higher than the stock tabs. You may or may not have to change the actuator mount position depending on the install.
I'll probably build my own this winter and see what happens.

The timing of actuator power pulse will be completely different. Moomba uses short throw 2.25” actuators, GSA uses long throw 4.25”

But go ahead and figure out how to make it work. You sound like you have it all figured out. Would love to use GSA tabs.


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[dakota4ce]

And you absolutely have to change the mount position, as GSA needs 10 degrees down and 20 degrees up to work properly.

I have ridden in this rodeo. I put GSA on my Makai. Factory software and actuators aren’t compatible. If you used programmable relays maybe it would work, but then auto launch and auto level would be all jacked up.


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