New for 2019

[DatTexasBoy]

You’re comparing 2019 moomba numbers to 2018 Supra numbers..stay tuned


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So true…..

[DatTexasBoy]

For those Supra owners ... few things I was told today (and saw some pics)

SL will get a walkthrough pad and tray underneath

SE redesigned with subfloor ballast as everyone can imagine

Don’t know any specifics about SA or SR

All Supras will get 2 touch screens one center and one to lower right phone holder moves to the left ... looks a lot like the Malibu setup. Wasn’t sold on that design ... looked like it was big and just in your way. After having a 2017 Malibu LSV and now the 2018 SL the smaller screen works perfect and gives access to everything when needed (if you have the steering controls - otherwise it may not be as easy but who didn’t order that???) ... and to clarify the 9” screen is the same as nautique is using including software I think?!

No more remote on the left side center section to adjust music - new touch screen near the glove box to allow peeps to control sound, heater and hopefully nothing else

Walkthrough as said earlier on the SL no hull changes. New dark vinyl staying cool they say ... new color option ... wine red or similar ... wanted that this year but Skiers choice refused to do custom color ... grrrr ....

For those interested in plug and play ... I’m opening another thread for the SL ... can’t and won’t do lead as my boat is on a lift so will post pics there to show how I did it ...

Your dealer is brave to hand out all that info!!! With that said, I hope its true.

[goose]

That’s not what I said or meant. Skiers choice did make the upgrades to autowake 2.0 available for everybody but said that you need additional sensors and wiring harnesses. So the software update is only half of the cake - I would assume that both are eventually available but for the price of 3 sensors, harness and labor ... well the boat ain’t producing a better wake so it’s a convenience thing and you will be spending some cash to get there ... so I for sure wouldn’t do it ... too much work for one (opening floor panels to get to bags putting a tube/sensor in and plum that into bag to measure fill level ... yadda yadda yadda ... and if you have plug and play then they would be incorrect like on the Malibu’s 2017 and older because they only measure factory ballast

I cant comment on anything Supra at this time, but i can tell you the moomba sensors are NOT on the bag or tank. They are standalone sensors that measure the water level regardless what bag you use. So as long as you get a bag that has the correct fittings, you can add a bag and it will turn off when full. I will try and elaborate more later but this is an industry first and should fix a problem the entire industry has been facing of inaccurate ballast timers, gauges, etc. AND we are working with wakemakers so they can make custom bags with correct fittings that will hopefully be available later this year.

Also, on the debate about ballast and capacity, dont forget we have draft sensor to also measure that accurately. I dont understand the idea that passengers should not be considered toward displacement (???), but at anytime you should be able to look at dash and see what your displacement is and that will directly relate to how big the wake or wave will be. We also changed the Moomba amplitude bar so it is now in 3 sections. If you want a decent size wave, you need to be in the upper displacement zone. On the Makai, you need about 5,000lb displacement to get there. So full ballast and 5 adults, or 2 adults and larger bags, or 2 adults and some lead will all give you the same result. Anything more that 5,000lb starts to get really awesome.

Hope that helps.

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[DatTexasBoy]

Looks like the Supra info may hit as early as this week according to a post I saw from Drew last week. Should be a fun week.

[dakota4ce]

I cant comment on anything Supra at this time, but i can tell you the moomba sensors are NOT on the bag or tank. They are standalone sensors that measure the water level regardless what bag you use. So as long as you get a bag that has the correct fittings, you can add a bag and it will turn off when full. I will try and elaborate more later but this is an industry first and should fix a problem the entire industry has been facing of inaccurate ballast timers, gauges, etc. AND we are working with wakemakers so they can make custom bags with correct fittings that will hopefully be available later this year.

Also, on the debate about ballast and capacity, dont forget we have draft sensor to also measure that accurately. I dont understand the idea that passengers should not be considered toward displacement (???), but at anytime you should be able to look at dash and see what your displacement is and that will directly relate to how big the wake or wave will be. We also changed the Moomba amplitude bar so it is now in 3 sections. If you want a decent size wave, you need to be in the upper displacement zone. On the Makai, you need about 5,000lb displacement to get there. So full ballast and 5 adults, or 2 adults and larger bags, or 2 adults and some lead will all give you the same result. Anything more that 5,000lb starts to get really awesome.

Hope that helps.

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I don’t think anyone is suggesting that you not count passengers toward displacement, rather we’re just saying it doesn’t matter how many passengers we have we’re still going to fill our bags as long as our boats will pull them.


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[dakota4ce]

Really no place to write this post, but I just spent some time on an SL 550 in 11 feet of water with about 1200 pounds of passenger weight and 1000 pounds of lead.

Ummmmmmmm....YEAH. Holy balls. Incredible!

I truly wonder if a 450 could move that load. Simply because there are more 450s available out there than 550s at a nice price.


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[larry_arizona]

I think the point is simple, it’s a hulls design that determines max ballast for a given boat.

It’s up to the manufacturer to determine how much of that is adjustable ballast, occupancy load and added content and features.

If the hull doesn’t change you can’t keep adding adjustable ballast without reducing occupancy load rating.

[larry_arizona]

Really no place to write this post, but I just spent some time on an SL 550 in 11 feet of water with about 1200 pounds of passenger weight and 1000 pounds of lead.

Ummmmmmmm....YEAH. Holy balls. Incredible!

I truly wonder if a 450 could move that load. Simply because there are more 450s available out there than 550s at a nice price.


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I believe you were at 11300# and if I read what goose said about a fully loaded out makai at 11700# with a 400 and a wake prop pulling it fine.

I think a 400 would handle your 11300#, the difference in the 400 and 450 is 27ft lbs of torque.


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[dakota4ce]

I think the point is simple, it’s a hulls design that determines max ballast for a given boat.

And quite often people run way over that particular number without consequences.

But I thought someone said earlier that adjustable ballast is not counted toward maximum capacity?


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[goose]

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that you not count passengers toward displacement, rather we’re just saying it doesn’t matter how many passengers we have we’re still going to fill our bags as long as our boats will pull them.


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That makes sense and we know that and expect it. Maybe thats another value to the amplitude bar. I've always thought of it as a way to set expectations on wave or wake size. But it can also set expectations on how much load you will have on your specific engine and prop. As you said, all boats eventually have a max displacement that the engine can push. With amplitude bar it makes that visible before you attempt to accelerate.

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