New 2022 Makai pricing

[larry_arizona]

I am mistaken....

and...ITS $10K NOW.....WTF.....for tuning?

Sorry....now that is off my chest. Again, 400, right prop choice, and new 1.7 Trans. If you are at elevation and actually need the power this becomes a different topic.

The 440 was tune only and about $6500 upgrade in 2018.

450 is a gt350 throttle body and upgraded intake manifold and tuning.

Raptor 400 throttle body is 80mm
Raptor 450/GT350 throttle body is 87mm




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[cucv]

The 440 was tune only and about $6500 upgrade in 2018.

450 is a gt350 throttle body and upgraded intake manifold and tuning.

Raptor 400 throttle body is 80mm
Raptor 450/GT350 throttle body is 87mm




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Thanks for the input guys. So we are looking at roughly $900 in increased motor cost per year from 18 to 23.

Being close to sea level I don't need a 450. However, there is a used boat of interest with a 450 and I'm trying to estimate what they paid for the boat. The used boats I've been watching minus the G23's aren't moving. I'm starting to see some prices drop to what I'd expect folks paid just not on the boats on the top of my list.

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[HFarr]

The 440 was tune only and about $6500 upgrade in 2018.

450 is a gt350 throttle body and upgraded intake manifold and tuning.

Raptor 400 throttle body is 80mm
Raptor 450/GT350 throttle body is 87mm




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Wow! So pay an extra 10k and get 1k worth of parts & tune?

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[larry_arizona]

Thanks for the input guys. So we are looking at roughly $900 in increased motor cost per year from 18 to 23.

Being close to sea level I don't need a 450. However, there is a used boat of interest with a 450 and I'm trying to estimate what they paid for the boat. The used boats I've been watching minus the G23's aren't moving. I'm starting to see some prices drop to what I'd expect folks paid just not on the boats on the top of my list.

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Thanks for the input guys. So we are looking at roughly $900 in increased motor cost per year from 18 to 23.

Being close to sea level I don't need a 450. However, there is a used boat of interest with a 450 and I'm trying to estimate what they paid for the boat. The used boats I've been watching minus the G23's aren't moving. I'm starting to see some prices drop to what I'd expect folks paid just not on the boats on the top of my list.

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I would not say it was an $900 per year increase. The 440 was 6500 ish in 2018 and in 2019 I recall the 450 was just over $9000 ish and 2023 is 10k.

Point is the big jump was in 2019 with the new 450.

The above is Supra pricing, moomba charges less for the 450 upgrade.


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[HFarr]

Wow! So pay an extra 10k and get 1k worth of parts & tune?

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Well, that was for the 5.2 liter, but you get the drift. Intake and throttle body are not 10k.

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[larry_arizona]

Indmar has a specific intake manifold for the 450. The GT350 throttle body does not bolt up to the 400's intake.

If anyone with a 450 can post some pics of the TB and Intake manifold, that would be great.

It certainly doesn't cost more to make the 450 vs the 400, just paying the premium for 60hp and 48 ft.lbs


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[HFarr]

As long as people are paying that much for an upgrade, that's what will be charged. It's not just in boat markets, it's just business. Just because something can be made at a low cost doesn't mean it will be sold at a low cost. Heck. Look at a pair of "Crocks"! LOL!...... Of course it still doesn't mean "I" will necessarily buy it.

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[Hayden]

I use this Density Altitude calculator if anyone is interested.

https://apps.apple.com/app/id560993349

Larry, I tried this app out and it appears that it gets the information from the nearest METAR station? In my case the station is 88km (55 miles) away and a few valleys over. Which could be night and day difference in calculations.

Do you know if the METAR stations do approximate/remote measurement of your actual location and base its DA off that or if it's basing it off of the METAR station physical location only?

[larry_arizona]

It's taken at wherever the weather station is located. Most of the time is close enough as long as your elevation is same/similar with the Temp, RH within 50 miles.


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[Hayden]

It's taken at wherever the weather station is located. Most of the time is close enough as long as your elevation is same/similar with the Temp, RH within 50 miles.

Normally I would agree with you but in this case, having lived between these two areas my entire life, I can tell for certain that my summer surf lake, Windermere, is hot/semi-arid and Banff is higher/cooler/temperate. You wouldn't think 50miles (as the crow flies) would make that much difference but crossing over the pass and getting into Windermere is like opening the door to the sauna.

Even with that said, it's varying the DA in Banff from 4000' to 5000' depending on the day. 15% lower power output and I bet if the station was actually in Windermere it would show higher.