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    Quote Originally Posted by 2in2out View Post
    As a paramedic I know this is for real. Masks work, but the realities are that my social bubble includes my wife, my daughter and her hubby, and our grandkids. I will wear a mask on my boat when the LEOís approach. I will wear my mask on shore, at the ramp, and at the fuel pump. Iíve written off eating in public, going to our favorite bar, and a number of social activities. I have to wear a N95 mask in my firehouse FFS, because we donít know about asymptomatic spread. My wife is a nurse. Weíve already had COVID and I wouldnít wish it upon anyone I personally know. But with reason being what it is, my social bubble isnít going to be masked up while we are surfing. Like I said, we will have our masks for the ramp, the beach, the sand bar, or whatever interaction we have, but our time will mostly be maskless. Common sense needs to prevail. I understand Bidenís intent, and I hope federal lands leadership will also understand the same intent. 84% of my state is under federal management, but the majority of waterways are under state control, Mead being the exception. State and local mandates will be the factor, for most boaters. Exercise common sense and good judgement regarding aeresolized virus transmission. If you are symptomatic, stay home for 2 wks. Test frequently. Stay in your social bubble and have hard conversations about close contacts. Itís not a game. I was laid up with a severe cough for 5 weeks. I lost 35% of cardiac function and almost had to retire. It took me 3 months to recover after getting it a second time.

    Is covid going to keep me from boating. No. Am I going to boat responsibly. Yes, as always. If you are on my crew, consider yourself special. You are in my bubble, or I know your contact history. If you are socially irresponsible, you wonít be riding on my boat. Vaccination or not.
    Alrighty then!

    Masks outside are borderline useless if youíre not packed into a mosh pit or something. Or an election celebration mob. Or a crowded stadium.

    Masks indoors, in a limited airflow space and for hanging longer than a few minutes are something that makes total sense.

    But, I am no lawmaker. Too practical for that, I fear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2in2out View Post
    As a paramedic I know this is for real. Masks work, but the realities are that my social bubble includes my wife, my daughter and her hubby, and our grandkids. I will wear a mask on my boat when the LEOís approach. I will wear my mask on shore, at the ramp, and at the fuel pump. Iíve written off eating in public, going to our favorite bar, and a number of social activities. I have to wear a N95 mask in my firehouse FFS, because we donít know about asymptomatic spread. My wife is a nurse. Weíve already had COVID and I wouldnít wish it upon anyone I personally know. But with reason being what it is, my social bubble isnít going to be masked up while we are surfing. Like I said, we will have our masks for the ramp, the beach, the sand bar, or whatever interaction we have, but our time will mostly be maskless. Common sense needs to prevail. I understand Bidenís intent, and I hope federal lands leadership will also understand the same intent. 84% of my state is under federal management, but the majority of waterways are under state control, Mead being the exception. State and local mandates will be the factor, for most boaters. Exercise common sense and good judgement regarding aeresolized virus transmission. If you are symptomatic, stay home for 2 wks. Test frequently. Stay in your social bubble and have hard conversations about close contacts. Itís not a game. I was laid up with a severe cough for 5 weeks. I lost 35% of cardiac function and almost had to retire. It took me 3 months to recover after getting it a second time.

    Is covid going to keep me from boating. No. Am I going to boat responsibly. Yes, as always. If you are on my crew, consider yourself special. You are in my bubble, or I know your contact history. If you are socially irresponsible, you wonít be riding on my boat. Vaccination or not.
    Very well put. Common sense is what is going to see us through the pandemic. Where a mask when interaction with those outside your bubble is possible. Stay home when possible. Just because restaurants or pubs in your state or province are open doesnít mean that they are a 100% safe environment. If you must eat out try to be as safe as you can be. Record numbers of new cases all over North America today. The status quo isnít working so we have to change what we are doing. Stay home and if you have to go out please wear a mask.

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    We’ve been wearing them all year at our factory and we still had dozens of people get the virus. Countries with far stricter lockdown and mask order measures than the US yet they are seeing the same spikes. I think masks help some but I don’t think they would prevent you from getting it in the end. That being said we wear our masks everywhere we go out in public as that is required here yet people still get sick so who the hell knows lol. Locking down a country isn’t an answer either as I think that causes more harm than good in the long run (businesses go out of business and people lose their lives, turn to drugs, alcohol and depression or suicide sets in).
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    Quote Originally Posted by haknslash View Post
    Weíve been wearing them all year at our factory and we still had dozens of people get the virus. Countries with far stricter lockdown and mask order measures than the US yet they are seeing the same spikes. I think masks help some but I donít think they would prevent you from getting it in the end. That being said we wear our masks everywhere we go out in public as that is required here yet people still get sick so who the hell knows lol. Locking down a country isnít an answer either as I think that causes more harm than good in the long run (businesses go out of business and people lose their lives, turn to drugs, alcohol and depression or suicide sets in).
    Masks take a little wee wee tinkle on the fire, shutdowns take away the wood from the fire. Shutdown is the only effective way to really slow the spread, but the opportunity cost of shutting down is very stiff.

    Itís a damned pickle.

    At least wearing masks may prevent a little spread, but most importantly makes people feel good, which calms everybody a little as we get our asses kicked. Which does help.


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    I don't really understand the animosity toward wearing one.
    It's annoying for sure but if it even slightly decreases the chance of you getting a virus that may kill you (or worse someone around you that's more susceptible than you) then just suck it up and wear the thing. IMO it's simply selfishness and pigheadedness otherwise.

    As 2in2out said, I'm not going to wear one with my immediate social group as it isn't going to matter if we're all in the same boat (literally) all day long whether we have masks on or not, but when interacting with others outside my group IMO it's a small inconvenience that could potentially save someone's life.

    How would you feel if your macho attitude and pseudo-medical knowledge caused you to refuse to wear it when you go to Lowes, and the nice lady at the checkout takes it home and gives it to her diabetic mom who then dies from it? Is it your fault, probably not, but you could have prevented it or at least lessened the likelihood of it happening by putting a mask over your face for the 20 minutes you were in there. It's just the least you can do as a human being to at least try to minimize the ill effects of this thing.

    As to inside vs outside I'm sure as hell not going to wear my mask walking around outside alone. But if I come into close proximity to others sure why not?

    I'm young and healthy and frankly don't care if I get it or not, but my mother and father both have preexisting conditions that make it much more dangerous for them so I stay cautious so I don't give it to them.
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    Vaccine is the only fix and itís coming.

    No need to shut down if the vaccine is in rapid distribution and not everyone will need it to reach herd immunity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SONIC View Post
    I don't really understand the animosity toward wearing one.
    It's annoying for sure but if it even slightly decreases the chance of you getting a virus that may kill you (or worse someone around you that's more susceptible than you) then just suck it up and wear the thing. IMO it's simply selfishness and pigheadedness otherwise.

    As 2in2out said, I'm not going to wear one with my immediate social group as it isn't going to matter if we're all in the same boat (literally) all day long whether we have masks on or not, but when interacting with others outside my group IMO it's a small inconvenience that could potentially save someone's life.

    How would you feel if your macho attitude and pseudo-medical knowledge caused you to refuse to wear it when you go to Lowes, and the nice lady at the checkout takes it home and gives it to her diabetic mom who then dies from it? Is it your fault, probably not, but you could have prevented it or at least lessened the likelihood of it happening by putting a mask over your face for the 20 minutes you were in there. It's just the least you can do as a human being to at least try to minimize the ill effects of this thing.

    As to inside vs outside I'm sure as hell not going to wear my mask walking around outside alone. But if I come into close proximity to others sure why not?

    I'm young and healthy and frankly don't care if I get it or not, but my mother and father both have preexisting conditions that make it much more dangerous for them so I stay cautious so I don't give it to them.
    Who has the macho attitude and pseudo medical knowledge, and has animosity toward wearing masks?

    I donít see anyone on this thread with that attitude.


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    You wouldnít know covid is a thing down this way (South Carolina). Hardly any safety measures and most people think itís a hoax. I still wear a mask, but am one of the few doing this in public. I have spent a lot of the pandemic assisting different industries with managing covid, and am always amazed how differently itís viewed and handled in different areas. Common sense is the only thing that is going to help until a vaccine is ready. But common sense is also what is most difficult or sometimes impossible to communicate or teach if itís not already there. I donít mind wearing a mask, even if outdoors (in public), but also know the limits of their effectiveness. If nothing else itís a reminder to others that Iíd like some space.


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    I have no issue wearing one at all and do with a full stock of N95 and KN95ís.

    That said, we canít get the ďscientistsĒ to even agree on the effectiveness, perhaps a pseudoscience to make people feel safer?

    The data is highly suspect and we are only as good as the data collected.

    I know of 3 deaths in my family/friend circle that were labeled covid and all 3 did not have covid, 1 heart attack, 1 stroke and a car accident.

    This summer in Michigan, we were limited to household family only on the boat and masks at the launch, not a big deal.

    Thank god several rapid vaccines are close so we all can get back to normal soon.


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    I'm not sure I feel comfortable taking a vaccine to be honest. A lot of red tape was lifted to allow the medical folks the ability to rapidly create medicine and vaccines, which is a good thing on one hand. But with less than a year of testing and no long-term studies on the effects, I just don't feel safe taking something that normally takes several years to approve through safety committees and testing. My fear is they might drum up enough fear to force companies to feel like employees must get mandatory vaccines in order to either get hired or stay employed. Hopefully it doesn't come to that. I just don't like the idea of being a lab rat. This virus has been so politicized that as mentioned even the scientists can't agree and seem to be steered via political agendas. Hard to trust anything these days.
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