RC, would you mind sending it to me too? Thanks!
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RC, would you mind sending it to me too? Thanks!
No prob.
Sent, but it's likely Moomba specific. Check with Goose or Rinker's...
I'd love to get the latest version too if it's not too much trouble. Thanks RC for sharing this!
No prob, check your inbox.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbird
I had sent Goose an email asking if my 2017 SA could be updated and his response was that it is specific to Moomba and will not work on the Supra.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC_Hinojosa
Does the new auto wake fill as well as drain we making adjustment while underway or does it just keep emptying ballast to make that adjustment?
Thanks in advance
The way I understand it for a 17 that has the new software but not the amplitude sensor is the amplitude reading is a % of rear bag fill. So if you have the amplitude at 100 and the pitch is too high then it will automatically add weight to the bow to bring the pitch down while maintains the rear weight. If it has filled the bow 100% and the pitch is still to great then instead of dumping rear weight it will alert you to move passengers or weight inside the boat to achieve the desired setting without dumping weight. If you run the amplitude below 100 then the boat will be able to adjust itself more before the point where it will ask you to move people around. So I think it’s first directive is to add weight if possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by shockthis
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Hey guys. Sorry I have been away for a while, we are trying to finish up all the 2019 stuff so been a little busy. And before you ask, no I can't say anything about new stuff....hahaha
David is correct on his understanding. If you haven't read all the "tips" earlier in this thread, then you should start there. But the short version is AutoWake ALWAYS tries to fill first. However, AutoWake (or manual methods for that matter) can not OVERFILL what is already full. So, if you have passengers located in NON-OPTIMAL locations and AutoWake can not make the adjustment by filling, then yes, it will drain to achieve a specific pitch or roll. But Autowake has never tried to drain first. It has always tried to fill first and then drain only if the one side is full.
The new software does include pop-ups to let you know when it has drained to a certain amount. The reason for the popup is to try and help you achieve more displacement by first moving passengers or gear, so that the system can go back and refill the ballast that was drained.
Hope that makes sense.
matt
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Originally Posted by rdlangston13
Hey guys, I've got a 2017 Mojo with Autowake. I've been working with my dealer to get their help installing the new draft sensor, but they are still pretty much consumed in their shop right now. I could do it myself, but hoping to throw some business their way to keep the communication going (likely buy from them again in the future). My wife and I are both engine controls engineers, so I'm pretty confident we could load the 2018 program if someone could send it along with some basic how-to? I figure we could at least make use of the newer logic, and longer timers, while we wait on the draft sensor install. We have 1100lb bags and I typically have to bump the switch for 1 or 2 extra 30second fills with the timers maxed out.
Hint to Goose and the other super helpful SC folks: Seems there may be a decent argument for a couple of engineers hired to focus on upfit of older boats to newer technology stuff... create the drawings, work thru functionality, etc.... for a new segment of offerings to help new boat owners feel confident they can keep it cutting edge-ish, for at least maybe 5 years after production??? Just a thought. Resume is available on request :)
Could you send me the latest update? ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by RC_Hinojosa
Update sent, check your inbox.Quote:
Originally Posted by 98outback
Engine control engineers in Indiana with a diesel user name? Cummins?Quote:
Originally Posted by hotdiesel97
+1 on the resume :mrgreen: Contract work upon request >> https://kinemetrix.com/
I learned that autowake fills port, then starboard, then front. So good trick is to fill everything up with switches then hit autowake to adjust. I don’t know yet if it drains/adjust in same or reverse order?
This may be old news but I stumbled on it today.
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I'm really diving into AW since I will need the launch feature to get to wake speeds. My problem is I forget to calibrate it and all setting out the window, rookie move on my part. Second after calibrating I zero'd out the offset number, DON'T DO IT! Yikes my AW was crazy off after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by russellsmojo
Do you calibrate every time or just forgot the first time?
My dealer was explaining it works better adjusting from full ballast than empty ballast. Guess should not say better but at least you have a wake that is improving versus none at all. Haha.
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You should only have to calibrate once, suggested the first time out with no gear and a full tank of gas. 1 person stand in the middle and press the buttons and you're good to go. There after you will have to play with the AW pitch and roll to your desired wake/wave. I have also found it best to fill up all ballast then start playing with AW from there. I actually fill to my offset weight and then let AW do the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by russellsmojo
Hey guys. On my phone so i will reply more later. But autowake first achieves static roll, then amplitude, and adjusts pitch as needed. Thats why one pump fills first, then other. On roll, it actually takes same time. Either you manually fill all pumps then it drains to achieve roll, or you achieve roll, then it fills both sides. Hope that makes sense. But good news is it works either way and you can use whichever method you prefer.Quote:
Originally Posted by DFTR Josh
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Thanks for clarifying. If I fill ballast 100% then hit autowake. What order would it start adjusting? And is there no way to see ballast levels when autowake is on???
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Does anyone have the 2018 update that I can load on our 2017 Mojo? I'm going to wait on the dealer to get the draft sensor install, but I'd like to go ahead and load the updated software in advance.
Thanks.
I have a 2017 Mojo and would love is someone could send me the link to the updated software.
Maybe the manufacturer could put a link on their page to allow owners to get some of these updates, seems to be a lot of interest in it ;)
Email me guys. [email protected]Quote:
Originally Posted by hugerb1
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Matt,
I have two questions related to my 2017 Mojo Surf Pro.
1. What is the current software and is there a link to download the latest software
2. Need some advice on checking the Inclinometer on the boat and how to recalibrate the meter
a. I have read the earlier post on setting the roll but I’m a little concerned that the pitch may be off
b. Is the floor consider level point in the boat that I can use to check the pitch and roll with a digital level?
Love the boat
Sorry about delay on some of these posts lately. We are in the busy season working on 2019 so haven't had much time to respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrellis1154
On this question, you can email me and I can send you a link to the latest software. There are also other guys on here that have it and if you send them messages, they can send it to you also. It is really easy to download and install and I think you will really like the improvements.
As to your inclinometer, I first recommend you install the latest software. Once you have it, then you can recalibrate pitch and roll independent of each other. The easiest way to calibrate roll, is to run the boat at wakeboard speeds. It is really easy to see when the wakes are completely symmetrical, and once they are, then you can recalibrate roll to zero. On pitch, it is not quite as easy. You can get the boat on the trailer and get the floor level, but unfortunately, the boat does not actually sit perfectly level relative to the water. All our testing has been relative to the boat sitting in the water, with only 1 passenger standing in the walkway with no additional ballast. The easiest way to do that is sometime when you have trailered the boat to the lake, when the boat is first put in the water, recalibrate pitch to zero before adding ballast or passengers. Once you have it calibrated correctly, you never have to recalibrate, even if you reinstall software.
Hope that helps. I will try to go back and answer the other questions shortly....
So do tell Matt...what can we expect in 2019?? I'm ready for a 2019 Supra with 4000lbs sub floor ballast, in-floor cooler, new design transom walk through, updated dash design with larger touchscreen.Quote:
Originally Posted by goose
Could someone send me the link?
Hey guys, this is another question that gets asked a lot and I will try and add clarity....Quote:
Originally Posted by russellsmojo
First AutoWake is a completely REACTIVE based system. It actually has a lot of logic, look up tables, and other programming that makes it work (as well as many patents....), but it really doesn't have a fixed logic as to how it operates. It is constantly monitoring the actual pitch and roll of the boat and adjusts as it needs. So, to answer this question, IF you were to fill ballast to 100%, then hit AutoWake, it will adjust in this order....It will first try and correct the roll of the boat. If you have 100% full ballast, then it can not fill MORE than 100%, so in this case, it can only drain the side it needs to correct roll. And the side it needs to drain depends on where passengers are located. If the system actually drains down to 80% on one side, then it will actually give you a pop up recommending you move passengers so that it can re-fill some of the ballast that it drained. At the same time, it will also adjust ballast in the front to achieve pitch. Again, if you start with 100% ballast, then all it can do is drain ballast since it can not fill more than 100%. If the pitch settings are lower than actual and it has already 100% full ballast in the front, then it will again give you a pop up telling you it can not achieve pitch and it will recommend you add weight to the front.
For many users, it might be best to start by manually filling all ballast to 100% and then turn on AutoWake. But keep in mind that is NOT always best case. Especially if you don't have much displacement in terms of passengers. Let me explain.
In most cases, surf wakes are generally best created when the pitch of the boat is close to 9 degrees or better. In fact, on most boats, if you have a true pitch of 7.5 or less, you might not be able to get a clean wave at all. If you are in a longer boat (such as Mojo), and you only have a few passengers, and they are all sitting toward the dash or even in the bow of the boat, then if you fill all the ballast (in Mojo that is 1800lbs in the rear and 1200lbs in the front) then turn on Autowake, it is very likely that based on the LACK of additional rear weight or passengers, the AutoWake will probably have to drain at least 50% and maybe up to 75% of the front ballast to achieve the 9 degree pitch. That may sound like a huge negative to the system, but remember the system is doing what the boat NEEDS to achieve the wave and passenger location is very critical in that. In this example, if you turned on Autowake and jumped behind the boat, you would actually have a BAD experience, because it might take 3-4 minutes for Autowake to drain enough water to achieve the pitch you need. Again, in this example, if you would have actually started with Zero ballast then the system would actually achieve pitch and roll quicker with predictive state because it would only have filled enough front ballast as needed as it REACTED to exactly where passengers were sitting. Then when you started, you would have a clean wave and typically a smaller clean wave "looks" better than a wave that is not shaped correctly. As you ride, you would notice that the wave would not have much "push", but then as you look at your ballast % (which you can do anytime by manually turning ballast on then off, then turning AutoWake back on), you will realize that by moving passengers to the rear of the boat will allow you to put more ballast in the front on the boat, creating more overall displacement and that is when the "push" will improve.
Hopefully that makes sense. Again, at the end of the day, the only thing that matters in surfing is what is the boat actually doing as it moves through the water. The pitch and roll of the boat (each might be different based on brand and type of surf system) will ALWAYS define the shape of the wave. The displacement (overall weight of boat, ballast, passengers) will ALWAYS define the size of the wave.
Ok, more information to come later....
Come on, you know I can't comment on 2019 stuff....but I can tell you we are working as hard as we can to continually improve both our brands. Stay tuned....Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospersigman
Goose,
2017 Mojo with current software. No draft sensor. Amp setting at 100.
After surfing with rear ballasts at 100% (or as close as autowake allows) I want to take a wakeboard set.
I manually drain the rear ballast to 50% and turn on autowake for wakeboarding.
Is autowake going to fill those rear bags?
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Oh I know, but couldn't help myself...looking forward to big things!!Quote:
Originally Posted by goose
I've only had my boat one weekend, but after reading all of this and 5 hours on the water I've quickly learned to use Autowake as a guide for where to move my additional weight (lead, humans, cooler, whatever). My quick, simple rule, move the movable payload towards the most full bag. you can't fill over 100%, but you can supplement! Heading out tonight with 3 dudes and 2 fly high 1100's out of my direct drive to lay in the floor :twisted:
Short answer is the rear ballast levels are tied to amplitude with most recent software. So if you want to wakeboard with approximately 50% rear ballast, then just change amplitude to 50. It will achieve desired roll first, then drain to achieve average rear ballast of 50%. Front ballast adjusts to achieve pitch.Quote:
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Korey, you have it figured out perfectly!!Quote:
Originally Posted by korey
For many people, Autowake is a tool to get a good wave easy. But the real beauty of Autowake is letting it teach you how to become the best driver possible while maximizing displacement. Some people claim they dont like Autowake because it drains ballast and they prefer to do it manually and move passengers. I say let Autowake tell you exactly where to put those passengers so that you have max displacement AND the perfect pitch and roll. Once you learn how to do that, then you can optimize every experience on the lake with very few days of not being able to get the wave or wake just right....
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Thanks Matt for all the information you have provided in this thread.
Lots of good information about auto wake from Ragboy and then second video is Matt...aka Goose.
https://youtu.be/E3MFCQ8lPiQ
https://youtu.be/coY8nXeN654
Watching matt brown vid now... doing homework!!
If you and the mrs make it to the Jam we can teach yah all about it!
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We are seriously thinking about itQuote:
Originally Posted by rdlangston13
Just remember how much fun yah had the last time y’all came and it should be pretty convincingQuote:
Originally Posted by chawk610
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Hey Matt
Question on the SL, so if the front ballast only fills to 70% can I weight to the rear and then fill the front full to increase my amplitude? Right now everyone is adding including Ragboy to the Middle, seems like the logic would be to increase weight to the rear of the boat seeing as the ballast in the nose of the boat doesn't fill full. If I add weight to the mid ship it seems that it would only slightly fill the nose more. It seem that once I get enough weight in the rear to fill the nose ballast full only then would I add more in the middle of the boat. Does that make sense?
Thanks
I believe Ragboy has 100lbs in each rear locker (200 total in the rear) and about 375 mid ship, if I understood correctly from his videos. People also sit in the back when he goes out, I believe.