Anyone seen or tried Ronix Wakesurf Shaper on Moomba boats

[Leirhiht]

Did you use 1" fender washers on both sides of suction cup and pre-drill holes?


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I did pre-drill holes and i put washers on top of the bracket but not in between bracket and cup. Maybe that's why.....?

[trayson]

I did pre-drill holes and i put washers on top of the bracket but not in between bracket and cup. Maybe that's why.....?

I think your blade is a bit big. there's some other things you might have been able to do (like you're suggesting above) to help. I think that having more than just "cup" attachment points could help. Mine is done in the style where I'm not using metal brackets, and I'm sure the fact that I've incorporated attachment points through the handle has helped. I'm using the harbor freight handle too. Distributing the load with more attachment points could help. Decreasing the angle could help. Decreasing the load with a smaller surface area board could help.

And sure, a "stronger" handle would help, but I'd likewise think of my above suggestions too. Most people have found that there's a definite limit to the idea that "bigger is better".

[Leirhiht]

I think your blade is a bit big. there's some other things you might have been able to do (like you're suggesting above) to help. I think that having more than just "cup" attachment points could help. Mine is done in the style where I'm not using metal brackets, and I'm sure the fact that I've incorporated attachment points through the handle has helped. I'm using the harbor freight handle too. Distributing the load with more attachment points could help. Decreasing the angle could help. Decreasing the load with a smaller surface area board could help.

And sure, a "stronger" handle would help, but I'd likewise think of my above suggestions too. Most people have found that there's a definite limit to the idea that "bigger is better".

Can you upload a pic of what you're running?

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Very top of page 75. The most patriotic gate on the site.

[trayson]

Can you upload a pic of what you're running?

God Bless America! (and surfing)

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160623_210634_zpso1di4xrh.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160623_210622_zpshdunyzmy.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160623_210546_zpsznixtpds.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160623_210538_zpsovaqldsm.jpg

[Leirhiht]

Oh ok I like that style, just don't have the tools to cut it like that. Where did you get the materials?

[trayson]

Oh ok I like that style, just don't have the tools to cut it like that. Where did you get the materials?

Really all the cutting could be done with a jigsaw. ($22 at Harbor Freight if you don't have one (http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/jig-saws/32-amp-variable-speed-jig-saw-62405.html)).

As far as materials, the easiest thing to do is to go to walmart and get a 1/2" thick cutting board. They have them made from HDPE (high density poly ethylene) plastic. A local plastics shop would likewise have lots. Or Amazon would have some too. Search for cutting boards or HDPE.

My HDPE was all leftover from previous projects.

I used a stainless steel screw assorted kit from Harbor freight since I was already there.

[icemanftr]

I did pre-drill holes and i put washers on top of the bracket but not in between bracket and cup. Maybe that's why.....?

Yes run a washer on the inside of cup also. If you go with metal handle still do washers, but harbor freight one has held up great since I made one for my buddy and he has about 30 hours of use on his.


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[5:00]

What speed is everyone running with Suck Gate? Faster, slower, same?

I am running 12 on an uncalibrated speedo. In any case I am having to run +1.5 MPH over what I did without the gate. Anything less doesn't work well.

[icemanftr]

10.8 off speedo. Wave looks good after 10. Haven't tried 12ish mph


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[Sp8]

What speed is everyone running with Suck Gate? Faster, slower, same?

I am running 12 on an uncalibrated speedo. In any case I am having to run +1.5 MPH over what I did without the gate. Anything less doesn't work well.

10.7 wake plate 3/4 down
http://rs1382.pbsrc.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/image_zps3ib4fc7f.png?w=480&h=480&fit=clip

11.2. Wake plate all the way up
http://rs1382.pbsrc.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/image_zpsntqqy3va.jpeg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip

[trayson]

What speed is everyone running with Suck Gate? Faster, slower, same?

I am running 12 on an uncalibrated speedo. In any case I am having to run +1.5 MPH over what I did without the gate. Anything less doesn't work well.


10.8 off speedo. Wave looks good after 10. Haven't tried 12ish mph


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It seems pretty consistent that the suck gate requires MOAR SPEED! LOL. I don't really like that aspect. it feels odd riding at the faster speeds. the wife doesn't really like it. We're just so used to riding at 10mph listed that transitioning to be 10% to 20% faster is really felt. I've been really reluctant to go at those higher speeds. I suppose we'll have to try eventually to get that longer wave...

[csm]

For my LSV, it's the exact same speed as we ran when listing... 10.7 mph with the wakeplact 75% to 100% up. I've tried a little faster (11 mph), and it still looked pretty good, but it definitely flattened the wave out a little bit.

[icemanftr]

For my LSV, it's the exact same speed as we ran when listing... 10.7 mph with the wakeplact 75% to 100% up. I've tried a little faster (11 mph), and it still looked pretty good, but it definitely flattened the wave out a little bit.

Exactly. I always ran 10.6-10.8 listed in my 13. But I have noticed more movement in fuel gauge needle. Lol


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[trayson]

We were out last night. I tried the higher speeds and honestly ended up right back where I normally ride, 10mph. Tried 10.7 and ultimately worked my way back down to 10.0

Of course this is paddlewheel Perfect pass over river with a definite current. So it might be a little different to those of you that ride on lakes with no current. (I don't have or want GPS PP because I care about my speed over water, not my absolute speed over land)

[Rush]

I've got a 14 lsv. Heading out tonight to try out the suck gate. Should I still run my manual flow? Thanks

[icemanftr]

I've got a 14 lsv. Heading out tonight to try out the suck gate. Should I still run my manual flow? Thanks

Saw no advantage of manual flow deployed in conjunction with suck gate.


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[Rush]

Unbelievable difference, got out tonight. More push than last weekend with 8 additional people

[snyderaaron]

Where should I mount my suck gatehttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160805/a9dddb2ffe9893a52c8791a8e58e04de.jpg


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[bkearney]

Where should I mount my suck gatehttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160805/a9dddb2ffe9893a52c8791a8e58e04de.jpg


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I would mount it in the black area, with the front of the blade at the front of the M.

[snyderaaron]

I would mount it in the black area, with the front of the blade at the front of the M.

High or low black


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[bkearney]

High or low black


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Mine is right at the top of the waterline when weighted and not going. For me, that is right under the lip.

[snyderaaron]

Mine has a slight curve right there that doesn't allow the suction to stick.

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With the curve in mind most are putting it as far back as possible. Most are also putting it right below the waterline while weighted and not moving as stated above. I had to move mine forward so the front suction cup is just under the cleat but just under the waterline. I only have about 5" of vertical that I can play with. I also tilt mine slightly up pushing the water up and out.

[smorris7]

Mine has a slight curve right there that doesn't allow the suction to stick.

This is why I could not get the suck gate to work well on the mojo. Down in the flat area of the hull its to far underwater to be effective.


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[c h r i s]

Mine has a slight curve right there that doesn't allow the suction to stick.

Was gunna ask you how this worked for you. I tried (very briefly while on the trailer) to get the SG on my '13 mojo and couldn't find a good spot with solid suction without going really low on the hull so I mothballed the experiment last week.

[Wax]

I would mount it in the black area, with the front of the blade at the front of the M.
It won't stick there, the hull curve is too severe.

Mount it low under the ridge on the flat area, and adjust your ballast to bring the top of the panel within 6 inches of the water line. Any deeper and it won't be effective.

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[snyderaaron]

Anyone heard of sandpapering the suction cups to be able to stick on those curves?

[Wax]

Anyone heard of sandpapering the suction cups to be able to stick on those curves?
No, and not sure how that would help? Would be curious to know if it works, but my brain is not able to figure out why that would work lol.

[snyderaaron]

No, and not sure how that would help? Would be curious to know if it works, but my brain is not able to figure out why that would work lol.

I emailed mission delta and they said that could remove residue? I thought it would be worth a shot. Mission delta also said they don't need a flat surface to stick, so what are they using for suction that allows them to stick to a curved surface.

[Wax]

I emailed mission delta and they said that could remove residue? I thought it would be worth a shot. Mission delta also said they don't need a flat surface to stick, so what are they using for suction that allows them to stick to a curved surface.
I think they're full of crap. Suction cups do not stick to curved surfaces well no matter what. A very slight curve and a very flexible cup materiel is a maybe. The seastow handle has more flexible material and is smaller, and it sticks to the curved side of a mastercraft but doesn't stay on under load.

If mission can stick to curved surfaces, then maybe it's worth the price tag for people with curved hulls. I still say just stick a suck gate down low on the flat and adjust ballast.

[Leirhiht]

So I got my aluminum suctions in and went to work. Cut my big board down to 7x9, new shelf b4ackets. And used screws and washersee had lying arouND. It looks a little ghetto but whatever it freaking works!! I was so surprised and what it could do. Sticks almost anywhere on my boat. I'll see if I can post some videos later. Got a couple of pics.2480724808

[psycho-heico]

Leirhiht,
I have the exact same boat and very similar design, but not producing that wave yet...Can you snap a pic of your mount location and what your weight distribution in the boat is...also is your gate at 90 degrees ? I want to dial mine in a little better...Thx
Heico

[Leirhiht]

Leirhiht,
I have the exact same boat and very similar design, but not producing that wave yet...Can you snap a pic of your mount location and what your weight distribution in the boat is...also is your gate at 90 degrees ? I want to dial mine in a little better...Thx
Heico

Heico,
It has a sligHT angle. 24809I cut the hole in the middle for clearance of the lever, also meant to say it's 9x7 in my last post. I guessed on everything when I got on water. Filled poRT side full, starboard about half to 3/4. Idk if I have 750lbs rears or 1100. Bought boat last year. I put the suck gate on the starboard side 2-3 inches above water, boat weighted, below the bilge ports. Not a very good pic but...24810
I did have to mess with it when we switched to goofy reposition several times for my girl.


Oh and I had the wake plate, on the gauge, between the middle and all the way down. Also going 11 mph. Only four people total and they didn't want a high wave So I left it cause it was working. Still plenty more experimenting to come.

[psycho-heico]

Bingo...I was below the water by 2-3 inches when weighted ... In will try higher..... I do have 1100 on port and 750 star side, back from the listing days.... I also have 650 in the nose and 400 in center ... and filled.... I may have to try no weight up there...... but did everything else the same...11 mph and plate half way.....Thanks for this....hope this solved my problem....
Cheers.....

[Leirhiht]

Bingo...I was below the water by 2-3 inches when weighted ... In will try higher..... I do have 1100 on port and 750 star side, back from the listing days.... I also have 650 in the nose and 400 in center ... and filled.... I may have to try no weight up there...... but did everything else the same...11 mph and plate half way.....Thanks for this....hope this solved my problem....
Cheers.....

Crap for got to say I have a 400, I think, In the middle had it full too. I essentially had the gate positioned as to where it was shooting water up but past the bumper and not into the boat. Had to maneuver it to get it to do that on the port side too was in a completely different spot than starboard.24811

[psycho-heico]

wow .....yeah I had no water like that shooting up.... barely could see a rooster tail maybe 5 inches high.....really appreciate your pics and replies...

[Leirhiht]

Got a small clip to show the wave on my 08 mobius lsv. Huge difference from when I was riding listed. The prop wash goes starboard more consistently. I was mainly testing my pumping back to the boat. I'm still a nework. Nevermind the goon riding :p
https://youtu.be/J8d1M-1oVW4

[5:00]

One of the things I have to do that I haven't seen mentioned here is to do a sharp turn toward the surf side on the start. On the goofy side I don't usually have to do it. On the regular side I have to do it almost every time. I line the boat off almost 90* away from the surf side so when I do the sharp turn I am headed where I want to go. I find that a sharp quick turn forms the wave almost instantly. Don't do a quick turn then go straight without looking at the wave and making sure it is there. I have taken off with a washed out wave then sharp turned it and fixes it most of the time.
With beginners this may not be an option on the start but you can do it once you are on the move and they are up.

[trayson]

One of the things I have to do that I haven't seen mentioned here is to do a sharp turn toward the surf side on the start. On the goofy side I don't usually have to do it. On the regular side I have to do it almost every time. I line the boat off almost 90* away from the surf side so when I do the sharp turn I am headed where I want to go. I find that a sharp quick turn forms the wave almost instantly. Don't do a quick turn then go straight without looking at the wave and making sure it is there. I have taken off with a washed out wave then sharp turned it and fixes it most of the time.
With beginners this may not be an option on the start but you can do it once you are on the move and they are up.

I don't have to do it to the degree that your describing, but yes, when I take off, planning to have a bit of a turn (even just 30 to 45 degrees) helps the wave form faster. Likewise, giving a more aggressive hole shot helps the wave form faster. Honestly the biggest factor to having the wave take FOREVER to form is when someone takes off without the rudder being straight. If you take off and the rudder is cranked to one side or the other, it kills the hole shot and kills the wave and you have to wait forever while the washing machine froth clears and the wave finally forms. So centering the steering wheel is something I've very deliberate about.

We don't have to turn if we have a straight rudder and a reasonably aggressive hole shot.

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I should clarify. I find I actually need to turn as you just mentioned. I leave the 90* so I can go where I want. But I have cut that down some also.
I agree you have to get a good hole shot with a straight rudder. I get going for a few feet then quick turn toward the surfer and hold it until the wave forms.
It really makes a huge difference especially on the normal side. Goofy I can pretty much go straight and I am good. Once good I can do something I could never do before and that is to take a decent degree turn to the non surf side which has been really helpful at times.

[philnizz]

i know someone wrote about using a suckgate on newer moomba boats, but i can't find it anymore.
i have a 2016 mojo and wondered if a suckgate would improve my wave. who got some experience with that?
can someone tell me the dimensions of a homemade suckgate for the mojo?

[snyderaaron]

I tried it on mine. Problem was that it was either too high or too low. The water level position, the suck gate wouldn't mount. Bought a used ronix wakeshaper and will give a try tomorrow.

[Wax]

i know someone wrote about using a suckgate on newer moomba boats, but i can't find it anymore.
i have a 2016 mojo and wondered if a suckgate would improve my wave. who got some experience with that?
can someone tell me the dimensions of a homemade suckgate for the mojo?
Stick it on the low flat spot, only place it'll stick. Adjust your ballast so the top of the panel is within 6 inches of the water line. Panel about 7in height x 9 width (in relation to the boat). I found this was about equivalent to the flow 2.0 on a mojo.

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[5cents]

Large Splash Above Gunwale

I have a 2006 Moomba Mobius LS (direct drive). I built the suckgate shown below (either 60 or 90 degrees). My problem is that no matter where I mount it, there is a giant splash created that tends to splash onto my back seat area. The splash is probably 2 feet above the gunwale. I really can't use it as it. The paddles are approximately 9 inches wide. It may be that I need to make it skinnier. Or maybe I should shorten the length of the paddles. It doesn't matter whether I use the 90 or 60 degree angle. Same problem. Any thoughts on how to get the splash to stay lower (at least under the gunwale)?

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[mikenehrkorn]

It's somewhat hard to tell from the pic, but if its 9" wide then its probably 12" long (or more)? Mine is much smaller, to the tune of 7" wide x 9" long.....maybe you could try a smaller size?

[trayson]

Large Splash Above Gunwale

I have a 2006 Moomba Mobius LS (direct drive). I built the suckgate shown below (either 60 or 90 degrees). My problem is that no matter where I mount it, there is a giant splash created that tends to splash onto my back seat area. The splash is probably 2 feet above the gunwale. I really can't use it as it. The paddles are approximately 9 inches wide. It may be that I need to make it skinnier. Or maybe I should shorten the length of the paddles. It doesn't matter whether I use the 90 or 60 degree angle. Same problem. Any thoughts on how to get the splash to stay lower (at least under the gunwale)?

24837

I've seen a suck gate made where they put a piece that sticks out to channel the spray. It's really hard to explain, but this about taking the main face of your gate, and on the top of it, putting another piece of HDPE that forms a "T" with the face (or even an "L") so that the spray can't go straight up as effectively. Does that make sense?

So on yours, you have two pieces that are coming together to make the base and the hypotenuse of a right triangle. If you cut a piece of HDPE that is very similar in shape to the triangle pieces that are on either side of the handle, but make it so that the hypotenuse of that added piece sticks out an inch or more farther than the face/blade, that would make it so spray couldn't go up.

Like this. a flat piece in the shape of the red drawing attached where the red circles are:
http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/gate_zpsgqlo3z1n.jpg

[Wax]

The lower you can mount it the more it'll eliminate spray, also angle it slightly so that the deflection angle is reduced (drop the rear cup slightly lower than the front).

Also 7x9 seems to be the ticket, yours is way big if 9x12 imo.

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[parrothd]

We hit a tree last night and managed only to break suck gate handle off. I left my spares at home so we tried surfing our old listing only setup.

Man you can't go back to non-gate surfing, the wave pocket was so small compared to using the gate. I didn't even try surfing it.

[bergermaister]

We hit a tree last night and managed only to break suck gate handle off.

Ok there's gotta be WAY more to this story!

[parrothd]

Yep, even video..:)

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?t=28481

[beat taco]

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[Wax]

I'm not happy with the performance of the seastow handle. Anybody else have issues? I made one for my friend's mastercraft a while back and he said it's worked great. I made one for myself and it wouldn't stay on my boat. Very odd, I have no problem with the aluminum handle at all, it has never come off.

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[icemanftr]

I'm not happy with the performance of the seastow handle. Anybody else have issues? I made one for my friend's mastercraft a while back and he said it's worked great. I made one for myself and it wouldn't stay on my boat. Very odd, I have no problem with the aluminum handle at all, it has never come off.

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Yes, yes... Mine comes off almost immediately on my boat, unlike aluminum handle like you said. Probably just throw on eBay for $250 like all the other distributors these days. Lol


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[brain_rinse]

I think you might have a bad one. I've used the seastow on a lot of different boats this summer and they all are working great.

[Wax]

I can't see what could possibly be wrong with it. I was thinking that maybe air or water is trapped in it and I need to force it out. I do that with the aluminum one by moving the lever back and forth a bit, but it's not necessary. Maybe I'll try that on this handle.

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[ghebert1111]

Has anyone attempted to build a gate leveraging the manual flow as the base. Would the manual flow take the additional pressure by increasing the cross sectional area to 54 inches? (6x9 cutting board)

[saskyrider]

yesterday i went out with a couple friends to test out a home made wake shaper much like others on here. My boat is a 2014 mondo and it was weighted as such:

750 in rear lockers
500 floor
650 IBS
250 in walkway
250 on whichever side the surfer was one to mimic some more passengers.
wakeplate at 50%

Regular side -- wave was excellent clean and easy to dial in.
Goofy side -- wave was as usual... decent but the lip was a little messy.

then we switched and used the wake shaper. placed it down low on the hull... about 6 inches under the water when sitting loaded with ballast and about 6 inches forward of the back of the boat. The actual plate itself was 10 1/8 inches in length and 7 inches in height.

Regular side -- instead of the one passenger sitting on the sundeck on the surf side they had to move into the nose.. then the wave cleaned up really nice and was great to surft

Goofy side -- wave was so much better than anything i've ever tried... clean easy to setup, and didn't matter if the spotter moved around it was perfect... and long with push. way way better than the flow!!!

I already ordered parts to make one for myself..

all in all was very surprised and very happy with how things turned out... looks like the flow will not be getting used...

[jeffandkaren]

I bought the Mission Delta this year, works fantastic on my Outback V, easy to switch for goofy riders. We were using an additional 250# bag in the boat and I got rid of it. The Mission is small, stores easy, suctions on the boat very tight and really smooths out the wake. I love it!!

http://www.missionboatgear.com/