Anyone seen or tried Ronix Wakesurf Shaper on Moomba boats

[Boonejeepin]

I am always curious about wake shapers so I built a knockoff of the Mission Delta.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160602/6fa211ddc8db597070df9a901cab670f.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160602/6d3e27c58ac3ce7ced2e1f6363b7b4a1.jpg


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[icemanftr]

I am always curious about wake shapers so I built a knockoff of the Mission Delta.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160602/6fa211ddc8db597070df9a901cab670f.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160602/6d3e27c58ac3ce7ced2e1f6363b7b4a1.jpg


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When that one sinks, buy the aluminum handle one. It has amazing suction! 😬


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[Boonejeepin]

When that one sinks, buy the aluminum handle one. It has amazing suction! 😬


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Does the aluminum version have the same dimensions?


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[jmvotto]

russ, you try it yet?

[Boonejeepin]

russ, you try it yet?

Not yet. Put it together last night. The boat is 250 miles away at Lake Mead. I hope to be back in 2 weeks to test.

However the surf tabs are working decently. Yes, that is Mandley with us. Super stoked that he could join us at Mead on Memorial Day.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160602/148d59efbf211c9891ed926946452ad3.jpg


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[Noodle15]

I am thinking this may be a cool thing to toss on when you want. So you put the Ghetto Gate on non-surf side. ( ride regular you put it on starboard side)??? Thanks
These seem to make a nice wave

[icemanftr]

Does the aluminum version have the same dimensions?


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Yes and provides a lot of suction in comparison. I had HOD on version 1 and it popped off 4 times and sank the last time. No issues with aluminum version 2-3-4.


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[jmvotto]

will it pull off the vinyl deccals if you have them or does it have to go straight on to the gel coat

[mazzyel2162]

Joe....after building a suck gate last weekend and removing the stickers on my boat a couple weeks ago, I can state with a great degree of certainty....

ain't no way that sucker will pull of stickers.

My gate will go to the lower part of the hull - pretty dang close to the area where the Moomba Flow would be installed

[NoleAlum]

I tried mine last week and it wasn't very good. Not much push at all. Ghetto gate was much better.
I tried to put it as close to the back ad possible bit I have lsv with couple of tiers in the hull. Put it below the last large one. May try and make reverse one so it can go little further back.

Does everyone's have good push?

Where are you putting it on the side? As far in the water as possible?

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[mazzyel2162]

Nole, please post some photos of your design.

[parrothd]

You really need to experiment, every boat and setup is different. My 06 with the ghetto gate I can run more ballast on non surf side but we go faster. With the suck gate I go slower and no weight on the non surf side. The pocket is different on both so you need to adjust to the wave when riding to.

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[Wax]

I have a different boat, but I'm 1050lb surf side, 650 or so non, 400 up front, people wherever so boat can be somewhat level. Gate just below the water when at rest. Placed maybe 6-8" fore from the transom seems to make the best and longest wake. Tons of push.

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[gravity]

Why does my post say successful and then not show up?

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[Derrick]

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We couldn't be happier with our suck gate. I can run even weight (1100s in each rear locker) and the wave is nice and clean. Our ghetto was big and rather hard to put on and off. Also couldn't run even weight with ghetto gate.

https://youtu.be/D5MpaDCQTS0

[icemanftr]

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We couldn't be happier with our suck gate. I can run even weight (1100s in each rear locker) and the wave is nice and clean. Our ghetto was big and rather hard to put on and off. Also couldn't run even weight with ghetto gate.

https://youtu.be/D5MpaDCQTS0

Nice! That harbor freight one holds up surprisingly good when I tested it.


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[Derrick]

The harbor freight handle hasn't not fallen off yet and we have used it for around 10 hours. I modeled it after yours. I appreciate your help and postings.

[icemanftr]

The harbor freight handle hasn't not fallen off yet and we have used it for around 10 hours. I modeled it after yours. I appreciate your help and postings.

Good to hear! Glad I could be a help! That's what I love about this community, we have all helped one another at some point. I learned a few tricks from others and came up with a few myself.


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[kaneboats]

My fave story is the day there was a guy stuck out on the water. He got on this forum on his phone and asked for some help. Guys on here got him up and running and, not only did he not need a tow in, he was able to finish out the day. Very cool. Tribute to everyone who participates on here who "saved the day".

[trayson]

Having good luck with this style handle. Testing this out tomorrow morning:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160529/71e65a554e2b112a92e42a2e68aead3d.jpg
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Looks like a Suck version of the manual Flow.

[brain_rinse]

Looks like a Suck version of the manual Flow.

Pretty much. I am really surprised how well the thing works. Easily twice as good as any ghetto gate I've had on my boat.

[trayson]

Pretty much. I am really surprised how well the thing works. Easily twice as good as any ghetto gate I've had on my boat.

So, I should send you over a fedex shipping label and you'll send one right over?

[Klipper]

WOW!!

I'll take one as well. That looks pretty sweet. Nothing "ghetto" about that build.

[mazzyel2162]

Brain, I think that ought to win the best design & build prize.

I too will supply you with a pre-paid shipping label and $50 to your paypal account.

[brain_rinse]

Thanks guys. I will do my best to help out if you don't have the tools to DIY.

[psycho-heico]

a youtube video of your build would earn mega senior member points...hint hint

[brain_rinse]

a youtube video of your build would earn mega senior member points...hint hint
Are those points redeemable for beer?

[psycho-heico]

any time you plan a trip to Calgary Canada, multiple beer are on me .....I have learned a lot and save several $$$ from advice you've given Dan.....

[gravity]

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Well it works. Pretty happy with this little mod. The pics make it look shorter than in real life. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160605/202bd75e01617c0254bd07b34d9ad9be.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160605/5bbbdfd4f4220e80c2d1a1305bd634e2.jpg

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https://vimeo.com/169407546

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[costanza]

Yay, so I finally picked up my boat and made the 3 hour journey from dealer to cottage, and got to test out my designs... Attached are the wave.. It seriously worked great. Don't bother with the plastic suction cups, they all ended up falling off, but the aluminum one stayed on and never fell off. I've got 2 more on order to test more designs... Attached are some pics of the wave. Surprisingly, the smaller the plate, the better it worked, and also the higher up it was the better. Mine was half in the water, and half out and that seemed to work best. I'll post pics of the device used that worked best later (I'm at work now). I forgot my tools at home, so couldn't make many adjustments this weekend, but have a few ideas... This definitely worked better than listing and had lots of push... Granted I also was testing out my new Soulcraft board which in itself was amazing! I've never had a board so buoyant - and fast! More info coming later... I'd like to try setting something up like a small parachute in the water that is adjustable for length easy, and also considering a double blade type setup at front and back of suction cups, and one with an extender at the back to put it further back... For now I'm happy to just be finally on the water and able to surf again!! :D
I had only 2 of us in the boat for the pic, rears were 1100's filled at about 60-70%, slightly more on surf side and mid and IBS at about 80% full. Completely full seemed to sink suckgate too low, so it didn't disrupt the wave as well, and it was a beast to get up to speed, actually I don't think I'd be able to with anyone else in the boat if ballasts were full with the 537 prop I have... I only briefly tested goofy side, none of us ride goofy but I wanted to take a look. Boat decals were in the way on the opposite side, so I actually couldn't get a great wave on that side. I need to play more with it for goofy riders. none in my family, so no urgency for now...

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[brain_rinse]

any time you plan a trip to Calgary Canada, multiple beer are on me .....I have learned a lot and save several $$$ from advice you've given Dan.....
That's great to hear! I'd love to visit Calgary, and will definitely let you know when I do. I'll get a few in-progress pics that should help anyone trying to build one like this style.

[flienlow]

After going through all of the pages I am impressed with the mods guys. But for me, I think after all the fuss, it would be cheaper (time wise) and easier for me to just buy something. I wonder what would be the best choice Ronix surf shaper or the delta? I do like the suction cups.

[mikenehrkorn]

After going through all of the pages I am impressed with the mods guys. But for me, I think after all the fuss, it would be cheaper (time wise) and easier for me to just buy something. I wonder what would be the best choice Ronix surf shaper or the delta? I do like the suction cups.

If I was going the purchase route I would definitely go with the Delta....its smaller, cheaper and if all the R&D from the guys doing DIY options tells us anything its that the Delta design works!! The Ronix option may very well work equally as well but can't compete on size (for storage) and price.

[z28ke]

Question: I am inspired and picked up a couple harbor freight handles and the Home Depot shelf supports to build one for me and my buddy. Would it be beneficial to have the board all the way back at the stern considering the shorter length of my 08 OBV or will the forward design work ok? Has anyone else used the shelf supports to make it opposite?

[icemanftr]

After going through all of the pages I am impressed with the mods guys. But for me, I think after all the fuss, it would be cheaper (time wise) and easier for me to just buy something. I wonder what would be the best choice Ronix surf shaper or the delta? I do like the suction cups.

Cheaper time wise? It took about 30 mins to make, and was fun in process. I doubt spending 10x as much for same affect is worth it.

[Gabbyg88]

After going through all of the pages I am impressed with the mods guys. But for me, I think after all the fuss, it would be cheaper (time wise) and easier for me to just buy something. I wonder what would be the best choice Ronix surf shaper or the delta? I do like the suction cups.
I been thinking the same thing. I actually bought the Ronix wake shaper because I want to just install it and go. Just waiting for UPS to deliver it. I had bought the material to make, so still may still try and make something.

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[Poison]

I made my suck gate for about $30 and 45 mins of my time after reading through this and the Mastercraft forum. It works very well. The off-the-shelf models will set you back >= $500. Spend your money however you like, but it really is super simple to make one of these if that is the part that is scaring you away. I am certainly not what you would consider 'handy' by any stretch of the imagination and I knocked it out easily. The suction cup models require very little thought/time compared to the ghetto gates and the R & D has already been done on the forums.

Either way, slam the boat and enjoy!

[z28ke]

Went ahead and made it a forward design, easy enough to switch the hardware on top to the bottom to make it a "rear blade" setup. I'll report back when I get to try it out.

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Handle from harbor freight, brackets and hardware from Home Depot, cutting board from target.

[flienlow]

Ok, I just looked at the Ronix and Delta wave shapers.

FIVE HUNNA DOLLAS!!! DEEAMM SON!

Ok.. I need to make one of these for myself.

Soo..

I need a 7X9 piece of plastic, 1/2" thick? or 3/4?
who makes the best suction cup?
Sorry if that has already been stated, but we have a slow kid in class.
What else? :)

[mattsask]

My suction cup finally came in. Slammed this super ghetto suck gate together. I used a $12 cutting board for the test model. Going to see if this complements the autoflow 2.0 on my craz. 243592436024361

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[blackcup]

Love to hear feedback on how it works with the 2.0

Ronix can suck it for $800CAD

[flienlow]

My suction cup finally came in. Slammed this super ghetto suck gate together. I used a $12 cutting board for the test model. Going to see if this complements the autoflow 2.0 on my craz. 243592436024361

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Concrete Counter top? - :)

[Wax]

Any of you guys that don't want to do it yourself, I'm sure out of myself and others on here somebody would be willing to help get you one made....I already have local friends asking me to do the same.

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[Poison]

See pictures, here is how I made mine. Super simple. All you need is a drill and some way to cut the cutting board (I used a table saw then tried to round out the edges with a jigsaw...which is why it looks all jagged and sloppy). My next version will have a cleaner cut on the cutting board (still works just fine though, its only aesthetics). Just lay it all out, mark the holes with a sharpie, drill, and assemble.

Parts:

One cutting board $8.99 (large enough to make about 3 gates):
http://www.samsclub.com/sams/bakers-chefs-commercial-cutting-board-15-x-20/126035.ip

Cosmos Handle $17.63
http://www.amazon.com/COSMOS-Aluminum-suction-lifting-pulling/dp/B007VL3CB0?ie=UTF8&keywords=cosmos&qid=1465478783&ref_=sr_ph&sr=1 (http://www.amazon.com/COSMOS-Aluminum-suction-lifting-pulling/dp/B007VL3CB0?ie=UTF8&keywords=cosmos&qid=1465478783&ref_=sr_ph&sr=1)

2 Shelf Brackets $4.97 each
http://www.lowes.com/pd/Style-Selections-6-1-2-in-x-1-in-Decorative-Shelf-Bracket/3455946 (http://www.lowes.com/pd/Style-Selections-6-1-2-in-x-1-in-Decorative-Shelf-Bracket/3455946)

Hardware:

2x #10-24 x 1 ½ inch Machine Screw
http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-8-Count-10-24-x-1-1-2-in-Pan-Head-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Machine-Screws/3816107

(http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-8-Count-10-24-x-1-1-2-in-Pan-Head-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Machine-Screws/3816107)2x #10-24 x 2 inch Machine Screw
http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-6-Count-10-24-x-2-in-Pan-Head-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Machine-Screws/3816129 (http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-6-Count-10-24-x-2-in-Pan-Head-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Machine-Screws/3816129)

4x #10 Nylon Nuts
http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-8-Count-10-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Nylon-Insert-Lock-Nuts/4756347 (http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-8-Count-10-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Nylon-Insert-Lock-Nuts/4756347)

4x #6-32 x ½ inch Machine Screw
http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-10-Count-6-32-x-1-1-2-in-Pan-Head-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Machine-Screws/3816093 (http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-10-Count-6-32-x-1-1-2-in-Pan-Head-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Machine-Screws/3816093)

4x #6 Nylon Nuts
http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-10-Count-6-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Nylon-Insert-Lock-Nuts/4756511 (http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-10-Count-6-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Nylon-Insert-Lock-Nuts/4756511)

4x 3/16 in x 1 in Stainless Washers
http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-7-Count-3-16-in-x-1-in-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Fender-Washers/3811475 (http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-7-Count-3-16-in-x-1-in-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Fender-Washers/3811475)

#8 Small (around ½ an inch or less diameter) Washers (Don’t remember exactly the size because I had them in a jar) but you’ll see them in the pictures behind the nylon nut.

2x 1 inch Nylon Spacer ½ x .194 x 1
2x ½ inch Nylon Spacer ½ x .257 x ½
Couldn’t find them on the website, but they are in the drawers right under the machine screws

[Poison]

Higher res photo. Stupid MS paint....

Edit: There is no 1 inch Nylon Space on the bottom left where the bracket attaches to the handle (obviously), that was a copy/paste leftover. Give me a break, I'm still on my first cup of coffee and I'm work avoiding to do this...

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[gpd005]

243682436924370I also built a suck gate for my XLV and even added a custom racing number plate I had laying around from my ATV so it's got to make it better! The first two versions were made of wood till I got it how I liked it. I mounted mine a little lower and it is totally underwater when the boat is moving but it seems to work really well. When I tried it at the water line mine was spraying water back in the boat really bad.

[brain_rinse]

If anyone wants to try to make one based on the Seastow handle here are a few pics that should help.

All the hdpe pieces:

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160610/ae6a40b2b18583029dc865939b802641.jpg

3 1/2" hole saw is perfect for making the base plate:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160610/6abd13e2daf7e045146c14f77f1005f2.jpg

1 1/2" hole saw for the handle cutout, or you could easily jig saw it all:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160610/1434e5e04a6bc96c96f946ce9657e2a7.jpg

Drill and countersink all the holes and assemble with 1" stainless screws. Finished product:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160610/a48bdcb91d765672cf570f5fdb0d6cef.jpg

[jmvotto]

How would these work on graphics or should it be below that portion of the hull and two , can you put these on in the water, will it still suck to the boat ? 90 degrees or slight angle from the hull?

[brain_rinse]

How would these work on graphics or should it be below that portion of the hull and two , can you put these on in the water, will it still suck to the boat ?
Not sure on the graphics, but I have to put mine on in the water, well below the water line and it works fine.

[ghebert1111]

See pictures, here is how I made mine. Super simple. All you need is a drill and some way to cut the cutting board (I used a table saw then tried to round out the edges with a jigsaw...which is why it looks all jagged and sloppy). My next version will have a cleaner cut on the cutting board (still works just fine though, its only aesthetics). Just lay it all out, mark the holes with a sharpie, drill, and assemble.

Parts:

One cutting board $8.99 (large enough to make about 3 gates):
http://www.samsclub.com/sams/bakers-chefs-commercial-cutting-board-15-x-20/126035.ip

Cosmos Handle $17.63
http://www.amazon.com/COSMOS-Aluminum-suction-lifting-pulling/dp/B007VL3CB0?ie=UTF8&keywords=cosmos&qid=1465478783&ref_=sr_ph&sr=1 (http://www.amazon.com/COSMOS-Aluminum-suction-lifting-pulling/dp/B007VL3CB0?ie=UTF8&keywords=cosmos&qid=1465478783&ref_=sr_ph&sr=1)

2 Shelf Brackets $4.97 each
http://www.lowes.com/pd/Style-Selections-6-1-2-in-x-1-in-Decorative-Shelf-Bracket/3455946 (http://www.lowes.com/pd/Style-Selections-6-1-2-in-x-1-in-Decorative-Shelf-Bracket/3455946)

Hardware:

2x #10-24 x 1 ½ inch Machine Screw
http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-8-Count-10-24-x-1-1-2-in-Pan-Head-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Machine-Screws/3816107

(http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-8-Count-10-24-x-1-1-2-in-Pan-Head-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Machine-Screws/3816107)2x #10-24 x 2 inch Machine Screw
http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-6-Count-10-24-x-2-in-Pan-Head-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Machine-Screws/3816129 (http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-6-Count-10-24-x-2-in-Pan-Head-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Machine-Screws/3816129)

4x #10 Nylon Nuts
http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-8-Count-10-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Nylon-Insert-Lock-Nuts/4756347 (http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-8-Count-10-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Nylon-Insert-Lock-Nuts/4756347)

4x #6-32 x ½ inch Machine Screw
http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-10-Count-6-32-x-1-1-2-in-Pan-Head-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Machine-Screws/3816093 (http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-10-Count-6-32-x-1-1-2-in-Pan-Head-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Machine-Screws/3816093)

4x #6 Nylon Nuts
http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-10-Count-6-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Nylon-Insert-Lock-Nuts/4756511 (http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-10-Count-6-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Nylon-Insert-Lock-Nuts/4756511)

4x 3/16 in x 1 in Stainless Washers
http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-7-Count-3-16-in-x-1-in-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Fender-Washers/3811475 (http://www.lowes.com/pd/The-Hillman-Group-7-Count-3-16-in-x-1-in-Stainless-Steel-Standard-SAE-Fender-Washers/3811475)

#8 Small (around ½ an inch or less diameter) Washers (Don’t remember exactly the size because I had them in a jar) but you’ll see them in the pictures behind the nylon nut.

2x 1 inch Nylon Spacer ½ x .194 x 1
2x ½ inch Nylon Spacer ½ x .257 x ½
Couldn’t find them on the website, but they are in the drawers right under the machine screws

Thanks for the detailed list. I think a lot of us will now give this a try.

[mazzyel2162]

Brain, what is the approximate size of the "paddle" (Height x Width)?

Were all your parts cut from 1 poly sheet?


JV - I concur, the suction cups can be securely placed under water.

[brain_rinse]

Paddle is 6x9. Yes you can cut all from one small sheet.

[costanza]

How would these work on graphics or should it be below that portion of the hull and two , can you put these on in the water, will it still suck to the boat ? 90 degrees or slight angle from the hull?

for regular surf, I had no graphics on the side suction went on. For goofy, I have graphics on opposite side and it will not stick on them at all. I had to go under them, and angle my handle and then it worked. I may take off the LSV sticker if we get many goofy surfers... Just picked up 2 more of the aluminum cups this morning. They work great. Time to try a couple more designs. Surprisingly, smaller is working better for me, and wider and partially out of the water... Height out from side of boat is about 6 inches, and width is at about 10, with a piece of that out of the water...

[Poison]

Thanks for the detailed list. I think a lot of us will now give this a try.

You're welcome. It is almost too much information and gives the impression that this has specific needs. The majority of the hardware sizes are arbitrary and wound up being what I happened to grab at the store. Just avoid zinc screws that might rust. The size of the screws doesn't really matter that much as long as it all fits. Most people probably have enough stuff laying around to make this work. Have fun with it and don't think too much.

[ghebert1111]

You're welcome. It is almost too much information and gives the impression that this has specific needs. The majority of the hardware sizes are arbitrary and wound up being what I happened to grab at the store. Just avoid zinc screws that might rust. The size of the screws doesn't really matter that much as long as it all fits. Most people probably have enough stuff laying around to make this work. Have fun with it and don't think too much.

I was thinking the same thing about the hardware as I was just down in the garage looking at all of my extra stainless steel screws/bolts/nuts etc...

[mikenehrkorn]

Paddle is 6x9. Yes you can cut all from one small sheet.

I plan to cut all my parts (which follow Brain's design) from a single piece of 12" x 12" HDPE.

[Boonejeepin]

Suck gate 1.0 worked well on the XLV. About 4000 lbs of ballast.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160612/ddd0d7c6a0a023ce831b182e5bcb891f.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160612/9d7b4b6fc142c9009b2973e27ebdebb5.jpg


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[brain_rinse]

Suck gate 1.0 worked well on the XLV. About 4000 lbs of ballast.


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Looks amazing! Somewhat related, what surf rope is that? I need a longer rope now that I have a real surf wave.

[parrothd]

I saw the best goofy wave ever today using the suck gate, huge long wave, didn't get a pic but wow.. My fuel consumption seems almost double, I think my gate is still to large..8x8

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160612/8af5edeef3d9aa03efe71c37eb74b987.jpg

[trayson]

Suck gate 1.0 worked well on the XLV. About 4000 lbs of ballast.

Russ, was that with or without the surf tabs? Where did you have your ballast placed? Do you think the suck gate is better, equal, or less effective than your surf tabs? How does the hole shot compare between the two? And how would you compare the two devices to simply going listed?

(yeah, a lot of questions, but since we've got the same hull, I'm quite interested.

[NoleAlum]

Suck gate 1.0 worked well on the XLV. About 4000 lbs of ballast.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160612/ddd0d7c6a0a023ce831b182e5bcb891f.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160612/9d7b4b6fc142c9009b2973e27ebdebb5.jpg


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Boone
Thanks for the picture. Wave looks very long. What ballast are you running and where did you place the gate? Looks like it is partly out of the water based in the spray. Thanks.

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[flydoc]

I have my stuff ordered and ready to build. I'll throw out my swim platform mounted ghetto gate as it didn't work well.

I have an 04 XLV and thought that a suck gate would be best placed on the black area of my hull (#2 in the photos), as that is the level of the platform and when I weight it down that goes a little under the water. I'm confused because I've seen talk in this thread of placing it on the bottom white portion (#3 in the photos). I'm pretty sure the yellow part doesn't see that much water (#3 in the photos).

Also, my wave has really been struggling. Those with older XLV's what speed do you surf at and where do you but your wake plate? I've been going 10-11.3 MPH and surfing with the plate 1/4 to the right (far right is flat plane far left is nose up). I tend to get a very short steep wave even though it's pretty tall. No room for tricks as the pocket is very short and right behind the swim platform.

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[jmvotto]

Suck gate 1.0 worked well on the XLV. About 4000 lbs of ballast.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160612/ddd0d7c6a0a023ce831b182e5bcb891f.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160612/9d7b4b6fc142c9009b2973e27ebdebb5.jpg


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Russ, curious where you mounted this compared to the ghetto gate,

was you ghetto auto flow set to neutral as well...

[BrettLee3232]

I'm not sure why you would do this when you already have a new boat and a surf system? Older boats it seems great and waves look awesome! But if you already have a new boat then what's the point?

I love my 2.0 blades and my wave. Just curious on why some people are adding this to compliment the AutoFlow?


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[Henner]

Was just curious if anyone has found the sweet spot on 06 LSV?

[Derrick]

For the guys that have the autoflow 2.0 and have tried the suck gate, how do the waves compare individually? Does the suck gate make the autoflow wave better?

If you didn't have the autoflow would you add it or just use the suck gate?

We were thinking about adding the autoflow 2.0 to our LSV. I made the suck gate and am very impressed. I am wondering if we should move forward with the autoflow or not. Are the gains from autoflow considerably better than the suck gate?

What do you think?

What do you guys think?

[jmvotto]

Russ made his own auto flow.

[Wax]

Whoever mentioned gas consumption, yes it def goes up, you can can feel the drag from this.

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[parrothd]

For the guys that have the autoflow 2.0 and have tried the suck gate, how do the waves compare individually? Does the suck gate make the autoflow wave better?

If you didn't have the autoflow would you add it or just use the suck gate?

We were thinking about adding the autoflow 2.0 to our LSV. I made the suck gate and am very impressed. I am wondering if we should move forward with the autoflow or not. Are the gains from autoflow considerably better than the suck gate?

What do you think?

What do you guys think?
I was in the same boat, was going to purchase the wave makers system for my 06lsv, the only advantage seems to be able to switch sides while riding. While that may be a nice trick, it's not worth the $$$$$. I'm more concerned with having a great wave then switching sides..

[parrothd]

For the fuel consumption, that was me, it's probably not that bad, but I can definitely feel it in the steering by having to over correct, basically my boat is moving sideways..you can see it in my surf pic, my port side surf wave is starting from the starboard sideish. I'm reducing my gate size each time out..


lol..

Taken from drivers seat..

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[zd215]

Looks amazing! Somewhat related, what surf rope is that? I need a longer rope now that I have a real surf wave.
Looks like the ProLine LG Surf rope. I have one as well, there are multiple loops on it so you can adjust the length.


I have my stuff ordered and ready to build. I'll throw out my swim platform mounted ghetto gate as it didn't work well.

I have an 04 XLV and thought that a suck gate would be best placed on the black area of my hull (#2 in the photos), as that is the level of the platform and when I weight it down that goes a little under the water. I'm confused because I've seen talk in this thread of placing it on the bottom white portion (#3 in the photos). I'm pretty sure the yellow part doesn't see that much water (#3 in the photos).

Also, my wave has really been struggling. Those with older XLV's what speed do you surf at and where do you but your wake plate? I've been going 10-11.3 MPH and surfing with the plate 1/4 to the right (far right is flat plane far left is nose up). I tend to get a very short steep wave even though it's pretty tall. No room for tricks as the pocket is very short and right behind the swim platform.


I have a 2006 XLV and place mine on #2 with excellent results. I'm usually running about 1,000lbs in each rear locker and a couple hundred in the front @ 10.7mph, wake plate at about half. I'll be posting pics soon.

[Wax]

For the fuel consumption, that was me, it's probably not that bad, but I can definitely feel it in the steering by having to over correct, basically my boat is moving sideways..you can see it in my surf pic, my port side surf wave is starting from the starboard sideish. I'm reducing my gate size each time out..


lol..

Taken from drivers seat..

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160613/c625a943258dd6114205eb922cce9334.jpg

Just curious, wave looks real big but maybe not real crisp? Hard to tell since your riding lol. Have you tried making your weight a little more even? Like 60-65% biased surf side. Also, I would suggest moving your gate a little forward and/or upward on the hull, maybe a little less than a foot forward and an inch or two up. I've been playing with the setup on different boats and had a similar shape to yours on my friend's malibu but moved the gate forward a little bit and made it much more crisp. Your surf side is way overpowering your off side, which is maybe why you're boat is angling. My boat kind if wants to turn, but not angle.

[parrothd]

The actual wave is behind him, he's riding in the upstream area near the boat. That was version 1.0, probably too much list, we also had to much weight in the rear, we would cavitate every once in a while.

This past weekend with version 2.0 we evened things out more and removed a body from sitting on the sundeck. You just have to play around. The wave seems fine for mine, I haven't noticed a huge difference between the ghetto and the suck gate. I've been landing more 360/180s now, but I think I've just gotten better doing them than the wave..

[parrothd]

Wax thanks for the reminder about moving the gate forward, I'm going to try that next..

[moomba!!]

Just a note if anyone is trying to put this on an older boat such as my 02 Moomba outback make sure to check the seal between top and bottom of your hull (behind rub rail) the suck gate will push water straight up and fill the bilge essentially turning the boat into a water scoop lol we had a close one I removed and sealed behind the rub rail hopefully that will stop it next time


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[icemanftr]

Just a note if anyone is trying to put this on an older boat such as my 02 Moomba outback make sure to check the seal between top and bottom of your hull (behind rub rail) the suck gate will push water straight up and fill the bilge essentially turning the boat into a water scoop lol we had a close one I removed and sealed behind the rub rail hopefully that will stop it next time


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My 2013 Moomba did that and SC wouldn't warranty a bad seal within 3 years! Luckily the dealer didn't agree with them and did it for free, I just had to pay for the caulking.


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[Boonejeepin]

Russ, curious where you mounted this compared to the ghetto gate,

was you ghetto auto flow set to neutral as well...

Mounted as far back as the handle will allow with about 3/4 of the blade in the water. I had the tabs all the way up as to not effect the wave.


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[Boonejeepin]

Russ, was that with or without the surf tabs? Where did you have your ballast placed? Do you think the suck gate is better, equal, or less effective than your surf tabs? How does the hole shot compare between the two? And how would you compare the two devices to simply going listed?

(yeah, a lot of questions, but since we've got the same hull, I'm quite interested.

Surf tabs all the way up.

Weight was even from side to side. About 1300lbs(water and lead)in each v drive locker, 1180 in the basement, 200lbs of lead at the nose.

The surf tabs and suck gate are totally different waves. Tabs produce a more mellow wave but I can transfer on the fly. Suck gate made a very powerful and long wave. I was running at 12.2 mph. I prefer the suck gate wake to a listed wake. Did not really pay attention to the hole shot.

You will like the suck gate wave with enough weight.


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[trayson]

Surf tabs all the way up.

Weight was even from side to side. About 1300lbs(water and lead)in each v drive locker, 1180 in the basement, 200lbs of lead at the nose.

The surf tabs and suck gate are totally different waves. Tabs produce a more mellow wave but I can transfer on the fly. Suck gate made a very powerful and long wave. I was running at 12.2 mph. I prefer the suck gate wake to a listed wake. Did not really pay attention to the hole shot.

You will like the suck gate wave with enough weight.


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Thanks buddy. you know I have much respect for your opinion.

[volfan705]

I am new to this and just got my 2007 Moomba XLV Gravity and have started my suck gate as well. Can you tell me the size of the black board. I think I am going with the larger of the two as well?

[icemanftr]

I am new to this and just got my 2007 Moomba XLV Gravity and have started my suck gate as well. Can you tell me the size of the black board. I think I am going with the larger of the two as well?

6x9. Bigger isn't better.


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[volfan705]

Poison I have the same boat nearly to a T.. can you tell me how far back or forward you placed the gate?.. someone mentioned earlier right below the cleat? Can you advise. And thanks for you service sir. AF Veteran myself.

[brain_rinse]

6x9. Bigger isn't better.


I'll second that

[5:00]

I am new to this and just got my 2007 Moomba XLV Gravity and have started my suck gate as well. Can you tell me the size of the black board. I think I am going with the larger of the two as well?

I have the same boat and you may need to adjust a bit. I am in the process but if you look at the bottom it angles in at about 90* and is almost exactly the height as the suction cups on the handle. Most likely the gate will need to go there and the board can only be as wide as the suction cups.
I am going to make two of them so I can have one there then a small one on the main hull and play with that and see how it goes. I won't have time for another weekend so let us know how yours goes.

[icemanftr]

I see a lot of confusion for people on where to place it. This is the general area I place mine on my 2013 LSV. I haven't tried the lower portion of boat, but may just to see next time I'm out. I have had great success and typically mine is 1/3 out of water or so before takeoff. Once I hit throttle it is practically all under water. Now if I went down the bottom ledge it would be under completely at start.

Some hulls are slightly different, but this seems to work with mine. I always make sure the suction is tight as shit, as parts of the hull towards stern have contour that doesn't suck in flat enough.




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[Poison]

Poison I have the same boat nearly to a T.. can you tell me how far back or forward you placed the gate?

I put mine as far back as possible while still being able to keep it attached. Mine has the paddle on the front, so it winds up being about 12 inches from the rear or so. You can see my previous post for pics of the gate and I just set that as far back as possible. I also run 1100s in the back about 80% full and ~300-400 lbs in the front with the plate 1/4 down. Glad to see another AF type!

[5:00]

I see a lot of confusion for people on where to place it. This is the general area I place mine on my 2013 LSV. I haven't tried the lower portion of boat, but may just to see next time I'm out. I have had great success and typically mine is 1/3 out of water or so before takeoff. Once I hit throttle it is practically all under water. Now if I went down the bottom ledge it would be under completely at start.

Some hulls are slightly different, but this seems to work with mine. I always make sure the suction is tight as shit, as parts of the hull towards stern have contour that doesn't suck in flat enough.


Thanks for the placement ideas! On these 2007 XLV the part that goes in is at a right angle and really pronounced and straight from front to back. It is inset about 4 inches into the hull from outside to inside and exactly as high as the diameter of the suction cups. It looks like it is there to channel and control water. It is definitely there for some hydrodynamic purpose rather than for styling. It is perfectly flat on the side and top and it a right angle inward like it would push water downward if the bow is pointing up at all.
I will have to try your placement.

Here is my spot on professional illustration.
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/Moomba-profile.jpg

[Gabbyg88]

I got to use the Ronix 8.3 Wake Shaper for the first time today on 07 OBV. It definitely improved the wake and had more push. I had 750's in the rear locker, factory center ballast, and a 450 in the bow. Picture on the right is from last year and one on left today.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160615/d198aa2747437d385308abbfc90db445.jpg

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[5:00]

Huge difference!

[Gabbyg88]

Huge difference!
Yes, last year I was practically riding on the platform. I think this is the best I am going to get without buying a new boat.

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[mikenehrkorn]

I got to use the Ronix 8.3 Wake Shaper for the first time today on 07 OBV. It definitely improved the wake and had more push. I had 750's in the rear locker, factory center ballast, and a 450 in the bow. Picture on the right is from last year and one on left today.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160615/d198aa2747437d385308abbfc90db445.jpg

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Very nice, great looking wave!! Just wondering.....did you try one of the DIY gates that others have tried? If so which one and how did it compare to the wake shaper?

[Gabbyg88]

Very nice, great looking wave!! Just wondering.....did you try one of the DIY gates that others have tried? If so which one and how did it compare to the wake shaper?
Just the wake shaper. I bought all the material to make a suck gate but just not enough time to get it built.

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[Sp8]

This is version 1.0....Hoping for the best. If any of you engineer types see a fatal flaw, let me know!!!!!


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[Wax]

Looks great. I'd round off the edges myself, but I don't think it'll make a performance difference.

You may find it difficult to close the forward suction latch without a cutout on the board when you put it on in the water.

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[kaneboats]

I think this is the best I am going to get without buying a new boat.

Looks like you don't need a new boat now. Maybe some new trunks though?

[jmvotto]

This is version 1.0....Hoping for the best. If any of you engineer types see a fatal flaw, let me know!!!!!


http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/photo%203_zpsm35iic7g.jpg

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why the holes in the board?

[Sp8]

why the holes in the board?

Saw the Mission Delta device had holes. Figured some smart guys did that for a reason???

[jmvotto]

Saw the Mission Delta device had holes. Figured some smart guys did that for a reason???


lol..............

[sscott0203]

I finally got a chance to try my gate out this past weekend and although I didn't get a chance to play with the wake or fine tune it, I was extremely happy with the results. The length of the wave and push were much improved with the use of the gate.
I copied Icemans V3 design, didnt get a chance to take any pictures of the one I built.

The first attempt at attaching the gate while in the water failed, it feel off right away as soon as I got up to speed. However once I had my wife push the suction cup tabs down while I held onto the boat with one hand and applied pressure to the suction cup handle with the other, the gate didn't come off again.

I have the splash graphics that start towards the rear of the boat so I have no choice but to place the front suction cup over the graphic, good news is that it didnt cause any issues.

I didnt get any pictures from inside the boat, but you can see the spray coming off the right side of the boat from the gate in the pic below. I wanted to share my results and thank everyone that shared their design and provided feedback.

09 LSV
Wakeplate all the way down
1100 rears (80% surf side, 60% non-surf side)
400 locker
700 IBS
10-10.5 mph

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[icemanftr]

Saw the Mission Delta device had holes. Figured some smart guys did that for a reason???

They are little crooked. You kick a few beers back between drilling holes? 🍻🍻😂


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[Gabbyg88]

Looks like you don't need a new boat now. Maybe some new trunks though?
Lol, I can't afford new shorts after spending $540 on the wake shaper. However, I got a new vest!

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[Sp8]

They are little crooked. You kick a few beers back between drilling holes? ������


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Good eye Iceman. Three holes are in the right spot!!!!
If the wave is better, version 2.0 will be more pleasing to the eye.

[sscott0203]

I finally got a chance to try out my gate this past weekend and although I didn't get a chance to play with the wake or fine tune it, I was extremely happy with the results. The length of the wave and push were much improved with the use of the gate.
I copied Icemans V3 design, didn't get a chance to take any pictures of the one I built.

The first attempt at attaching the gate while in the water failed, it feel off right away as soon as I got up to speed. However once I had my wife push the suction cup tabs down while I held onto the boat with one hand and applied pressure to the suction cup handle with the other, the gate didn't come off again.

I have the splash graphics that start towards the rear of the boat so I have no choice but to place the front suction cup over the graphic, good news is that it didn't cause any issues.

I didn't get any pictures from inside the boat, but I wanted to share my results and thank everyone that shared their design and provided feedback.

09 LSV
Wakeplate all the way down
1100 rears (80% surf side, 60% non-surf side)
400 locker
700 IBS
10-10.5 mph

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh639/sscott0203/Mobile%20Uploads/5A21A9F8-8A4A-4DFA-8689-B8C06E593149_zpshlwolrgn.jpg~original (http://s1255.photobucket.com/user/sscott0203/media/Mobile%20Uploads/5A21A9F8-8A4A-4DFA-8689-B8C06E593149_zpshlwolrgn.jpg.html)

[parrothd]

Have a good feeling about this one, going to test it Saturday. Spent about 1hr playing around with my other version the straight 90. It seem to work best listed. Moving the gate forward and backward changes the wave slightly, but mainly it acts like dragging an anchor and killing my mph. I'm hoping this will act more like my Ghetto gate and push the boat to this side..

Version 5

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160616/fd3db512b94e89af0ece8f80ced2cac0.jpg

[Wax]

I'm really curious about the performance of that angle. My mind tells me that you need more surface area for that since you're likely going to lose the benefit of turbulence, at least a lot of it.

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[icemanftr]

Have a good feeling about this one, going to test it Saturday. Spent about 1hr playing around with my other version the straight 90. It seem to work best listed. Moving the gate forward and backward changes the wave slightly, but mainly it acts like dragging an anchor and killing my mph. I'm hoping this will act more like my Ghetto gate and push the boat to this side..

Version 5

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160616/fd3db512b94e89af0ece8f80ced2cac0.jpg

Will await the verdict on this one...


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[Sp8]

How are you guys tethering your suckgates so they don't end up at the bottom of the lake if and/or when they pop off???

[icemanftr]

How are you guys tethering your suckgates so they don't end up at the bottom of the lake if and/or when they pop off???

I tied a buoy to mine. Never came off, but if it does it will float and I can swing around and pick it up. 😀


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[Wax]

I just have a rope around the handle to my rear cleat.

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[parrothd]

I attach mine to a short bungee dock rope to the rear cleat. For the latest gate my ghetto gate had a really shallow angle but more surface area. We shall see...

[icemanftr]

I just have a rope around the handle to my rear cleat.

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I did too, until V1 (HOD) came flying off and almost took someone's head off and whipped back into water trying to slaughter my boat.


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[jmvotto]

Will await the verdict on this one...


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Interest in the 45 vs the 90 also , did you have to remove the cups to get the board under the handle ?

[parrothd]

Yep, removing the cups makes it easier..

[costanza]

How did you guys remove the cups on the aluminum handle ones to drill in then bolt the shelf brackets on?

[parrothd]

Exactly, if you don't drill to much off you could reuse the pins, with my luck I'd probably break the plastic arm during the reinstall so I went with a bolt/nut.

[Sp8]

How did you guys remove the cups on the aluminum handle ones to drill in then bolt the shelf brackets on?

I did not remove em on mine. Drilled from top down, gently, so you don't hit the rubber when you go thru. If you make the hole closer to the outside edge, you can then fold back flapper and work screw/bolt upward thru the bracket. If hole is too close to middle of handle, folding it won't work.

[BDLyle]

Have never really posted on here but ive creeped a ton! Made a suckgate utilizing much of the info on this forum and it changed the wake big time. 2007 lsv, 1000lbs surf side, 800lb non surfside, 500lb belly, 500lb nose, then 3 people. i used a 10x14 cutting board with the harbour freight suction cups. i mounted the cutting board so the handle is out. We have been tethering the gate through the handle so the more pressure that is put on the gate the harder it pushes the suction cups to the boat. Has not came off yet. So far it has worked best completely submerged.

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[icemanftr]

How did you guys remove the cups on the aluminum handle ones to drill in then bolt the shelf brackets on?

Didn't... Just drilled holes out wider and pulled cup back far enough to stick bolt in.


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[Wax]

I would strongly suggest removing the cups. If you damage the cups you'll be replacing them

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[Wax]

I ordered 4 aluminum handles today, gotta fill these open orders! Lol.

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[flydoc]

Removing the suction cups is easy, just use a small needle nose pliers and pull the clasp off the pin holding the lever and it comes right off. After drilling just reassemble. Make sure you use a nylon lock washer on the nut end of the bolt (connecting your shelf support) so you won't have to tighten it every day. I'm interested in the angle of the blade that other are using and the resulting wave. I water tested mine yesterday and the wave was huge. It was still quite steep but was by far the best my boat has ever had. My angle is about 80 degrees and I have a 7x9" blade. The suction worked great did not slip once on either side of the boat for 2+ hours.

[flydoc]

244192442024421

Suction worked well for 2+ hours surfing.

[Poison]

Flydoc, what was your ballast/plate setup?

[trayson]

What's the general consensus on the Harbor Freight suction handle vs. the aluminum amazon one?

[flydoc]

Flydoc, what was your ballast/plate setup?

I should have paid more attention. I had both bags on each side full (I have an extra small one under the passenger seat so probably 1000# on regular, 700# on goofy side, 1000# in the swim locker up front. 10.5 MPH with wake plate at 50%. The wave was good and longer but pretty steep.

[Jceclipse01]

What's the general consensus on the Harbor Freight suction handle vs. the aluminum amazon one?
My Harbor Freight suction cup has not let go yet

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[parrothd]

The angle gate worked great, better mpg and ran more ballast..we may/did have a few cocktails so not the best surfing.. Lol ol

https://youtu.be/9z8NtLETGb4

https://youtu.be/wgIUGfcNdUA

[Poison]

What's the general consensus on the Harbor Freight suction handle vs. the aluminum amazon one?

The aluminum amazon handle is a beast. Light years ahead of the plastic HOD one I used on my suck gate Mk I. Easy to attach and has not detached once.

Seems to be a toss up. I had good luck with the amazon handle but I see equally good reviews for harbor freight one.

[Boonejeepin]

Did not surf it but here is a goofy shot with suck gate on a XLV.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160619/29260087577fcfc9fdebddfe88d9dbc5.jpg


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[bkearney]

Alpha build of a suck gate.

https://goo.gl/photos/NPuMsJwXHT3VSomJ6

And the wake was pretty good goofy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7WIalzGVU8&feature=youtu.be&a

I am having no luck with the normal side. This is the amazon china knock off. WIth the test done, I will do cutting board next.

[bkearney]

Where is the suck gate mounted?

[bkearney]

How did version 5 work for you?

[bkearney]

I have my stuff ordered and ready to build. I'll throw out my swim platform mounted ghetto gate as it didn't work well.

I have an 04 XLV and thought that a suck gate would be best placed on the black area of my hull (#2 in the photos), as that is the level of the platform and when I weight it down that goes a little under the water. I'm confused because I've seen talk in this thread of placing it on the bottom white portion (#3 in the photos). I'm pretty sure the yellow part doesn't see that much water (#3 in the photos).

Also, my wave has really been struggling. Those with older XLV's what speed do you surf at and where do you but your wake plate? I've been going 10-11.3 MPH and surfing with the plate 1/4 to the right (far right is flat plane far left is nose up). I tend to get a very short steep wave even though it's pretty tall. No room for tricks as the pocket is very short and right behind the swim platform.

2438724386

I put mine in #2 on an '03 LSV. I got a bunch of rooster tail, but the wave was good.

[parrothd]

How did version 5 work for you?
Version 5 works great, the wave is pretty similar to my Ghetto gate. Goofy is crazy good, regular is pretty darn good. I posted 2 videos earlier. I was able to run more ballast and slightly listed to the surf side, IBS, center, surf side 1100 all full. Non surf side probably 700ish..


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[mikenehrkorn]

Finally got to try out my first version yesterday. Wave was good on the regular side with a bit more push than the old ghetto gate. Even my son noticed the difference and commented on the extra push that he felt. The wave was just unbelievable on the goofy side and I think my wife loves the new gate more than me now!! :)

Did have the camera along but will try to grab some pics and video next weekend.

[jmvotto]

Joe....after building a suck gate last weekend and removing the stickers on my boat a couple weeks ago, I can state with a great degree of certainty....

ain't no way that sucker will pull of stickers.

My gate will go to the lower part of the hull - pretty dang close to the area where the Moomba Flow would be installed


because I have the splash graphics the cups won't adhere around the water line, so on the xlv, I will be trying the lowest level with a small suck gate and see it it works any better than the ghetto gate , which I am very happy with.

[Gabbyg88]

My 3 yrs daughter wanted to go out with me. Greatest father's day. Using the Ronix wake shaper.
http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/57688e0dbd35d/1463426137008162.mp4


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[bkearney]

My 3 yrs daughter wanted to go out with me. Greatest father's day. Using the Ronix wake shaper.
http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/57688e0dbd35d/1463426137008162.mp4


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How do you start with a kid?

[Wax]

Not sure how he does, but I start with kids between my legs standing on the board (usually I'm holding them up), or really little like 4 and younger I just hold them, they wrap legs and arms around me. Then I sometimes put them up on my shoulders! Easiest to actually surf that way lol! I think I posted a pic of that earlier in this thread even.

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[Gabbyg88]

How do you start with a kid?
I started in the water with her lying on my chest. Had her holding my arms. Once the rope is tight I push my heels in to the board getting the board vertical in the water. Then yell, "GO BOAT!" and stand up. Once up, I let her down on the board and had her hold my legs. This was a major achievement for me. I had back surgery back in 2013 and had to watch my wife take her water skiing for the last couple years. Finally was able to take her out on Father's day.

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[bkearney]

I started in the water with her lying on my chest. Had her holding my arms. Once the rope is tight I push my heels in to the board getting the board vertical in the water. Then yell, "GO BOAT!" and stand up. Once up, I let her down on the board and had her hold my legs. This was a major achievement for me. I had back surgery back in 2013 and had to watch my wife take her water skiing for the last couple years. Finally was able to take her out on Father's day.

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Awesome Dad++ moment.. Congrats!

[mikenehrkorn]

My 3 yrs daughter wanted to go out with me. Greatest father's day. Using the Ronix wake shaper.
http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/57688e0dbd35d/1463426137008162.mp4


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Very cool - I wish we were surfing when my kids were little.

Great looking wake........you mentioned the wake shaper but what is the rest of your config (i.e. ballast, speed, etc.)?

[Gabbyg88]

Very cool - I wish we were surfing when my kids were little.

Great looking wake........you mentioned the wake shaper but what is the rest of your config (i.e. ballast, speed, etc.)?
07 OBV, 750 each rear locker, factory center bag full, 450 bow, speed @ 11 MPhil.

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[Kidder522]

I will be getting all the materials to start on mine. This forum is amazing. So much knowledge and innovation.
I have one question. I have an 07 LSV. Just purchased 1 800# bag for surf side and stock 400 for non surf side and ski locker. I kept the old 400# bag, but just wondering what weight I should be running.
A. All bags full
B. 800 surf side full and ski locker full
C. Put the 400 back in and make all full.
I live in Canada, so I won't be able to get another 800# bag until my snow bird buddy heads back for the winter.

Let me know your thoughts.


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[ghebert1111]

So I'm working on my suckgate this week and want to try it this weekend so I have a few questions: I don't think I've seen answered in this thread:

Where is this mounted, below water, even with the water line, some above water line? Should it be mounted as far close to the transom as possible?

I have the manual flow, should I deploy it or not.

I think I've read that the boat should be evenly weighted, is that correct? Particularly on goofy side as that is what my wife surf and need to keep the captain happy?


Thanks in advance.

[parrothd]

I will be getting all the materials to start on mine. This forum is amazing. So much knowledge and innovation.
I have one question. I have an 07 LSV. Just purchased 1 800# bag for surf side and stock 400 for non surf side and ski locker. I kept the old 400# bag, but just wondering what weight I should be running.
A. All bags full
B. 800 surf side full and ski locker full
C. Put the 400 back in and make all full.
I live in Canada, so I won't be able to get another 800# bag until my snow bird buddy heads back for the winter.

Let me know your thoughts.


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I have the same boat, return that bag and get the 1100s.

[Kidder522]

Yes. I hear what you are saying. But for this summer, that is the set up I have. So just wondering the best way to do it this summer. Thanks for the advice though.


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[icemanftr]

Found this over on Tige forums... 😀

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160621/6c910df14ba987420396f9380b6007b5.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160621/fbaf8e2d8ec53c65912d2a62753e187f.jpg


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[parrothd]

..........

[parrothd]

Yes. I hear what you are saying. But for this summer, that is the set up I have. So just wondering the best way to do it this summer. Thanks for the advice though.


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Run all the weight you have, use the extra 400 and put it on the surf side or in the bow.

[Kidder522]

Perfect. Thank you.


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[icemanftr]

v4

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/8238d4e3487fb0e8aae190cf690fe975.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/c30f0871732f3731e269464563ea3f81.jpg


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[Kidder522]

Install on Opposite Side
Simply install the Mission DELTA on the opposite side of the boat to create a big, well shaped wave for surfing. The DELTA works by mechanically forcing the boat into the correct position to make the best surf wave, so it is always installed on the non-surf side of the boat. Switch between regular and goofy riders in a matter of seconds by simply swapping the side the DELTA is installed on.

This is on the wakemakers website. Is this correct, does everyone put it on the opposite side as you are surfing on? By looking at all the posts, it is on the same side as you are surfing?

[icemanftr]

Install on Opposite Side
Simply install the Mission DELTA on the opposite side of the boat to create a big, well shaped wave for surfing. The DELTA works by mechanically forcing the boat into the correct position to make the best surf wave, so it is always installed on the non-surf side of the boat. Switch between regular and goofy riders in a matter of seconds by simply swapping the side the DELTA is installed on.

This is on the wakemakers website. Is this correct, does everyone put it on the opposite side as you are surfing on? By looking at all the posts, it is on the same side as you are surfing?

Yes it goes on non-surf side. If you ride goofy it goes on port side, if you ride normal it goes on starboard side.


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[Kidder522]

Thanks for the update. I was totally reading and seeing the pictures wrong. I guess that just shows how new I am to the world of surfing. LOL.

Again, thanks.

[NoleAlum]

v4

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/8238d4e3487fb0e8aae190cf690fe975.jpg

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Iceman

Could you describe where are putting the gate on the LSV? How far back from transom and how far down? Was gate partly out of water when ballast was filled? Any pictures by chance?

Didn't have success where I put mine. Was putting it on 2nd level where curved down so was underwater and 2-3 feet from transom. No push.

Thanks very much.

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[bkearney]

v4

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/8238d4e3487fb0e8aae190cf690fe975.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/c30f0871732f3731e269464563ea3f81.jpg


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Why the holes? What advantage do they have? I get the "Well, the company did it and they have engineers". I am curious if anyone knows why.

[icemanftr]

Iceman

Could you describe where are putting the gate on the LSV? How far back from transom and how far down? Was gate partly out of water when ballast was filled? Any pictures by chance?

Didn't have success where I put mine. Was putting it on 2nd level where curved down so was underwater and 2-3 feet from transom. No push.

Thanks very much.

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Hope this helps.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/cbf70979e4869d6616386e761db8bccd.jpg

Top one.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/c27216eda6409ee9d890d76f98d93f16.jpg



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[bkearney]

Hope this helps.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/cbf70979e4869d6616386e761db8bccd.jpg

Top one.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/c27216eda6409ee9d890d76f98d93f16.jpg



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You run with two suck plates, and a kid?

[costanza]

Hope this helps.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/cbf70979e4869d6616386e761db8bccd.jpg

Top one.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/c27216eda6409ee9d890d76f98d93f16.jpg



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Ditto, I put mine up where his black one is as well. I actually have mine a little more forward than he does. I don't fill my ballasts up all the way so far. For surfing non goofy side I have left side filled at about 65-70%, middle and front filled at 80+% and right side where suckg8 is at about 55-60%. I've only been using it one weekend so far, so still playing with it. It works best on mine with wake plate 100% down too for some reason. A lot of people are saying with it all the way up or quarter down, but mine is washed out unless I have it all the way down. And the wave is the best I've ever had on my boat!!!! This makes a huge difference. My g8 is a little different than most as well. Mine is wider and not nearly as long... Wake is awesome... About 9 inches wide and about 6-7 inches out from boat - it's a rectangle cutting board, but the longer side running parallel to boat rather than at 90 degrees out - the opposite of all I have seen so far. I also have mine right at the surface when I put it on, the suction cups just out of the water when installed, but once boat gets going it goes under water... I'll take pics and proper measurements when I'm back up at the cottage. I tried one slightly bigger, and the smaller one worked the best... Pics coming on the weekend...

[NoleAlum]

Ditto, I put mine up where his black one is as well. I actually have mine a little more forward than he does. I don't fill my ballasts up all the way so far. For surfing non goofy side I have left side filled at about 65-70%, middle and front filled at 80+% and right side where suckg8 is at about 55-60%. I've only been using it one weekend so far, so still playing with it. It works best on mine with wake plate 100% down too for some reason. A lot of people are saying with it all the way up or quarter down, but mine is washed out unless I have it all the way down. And the wave is the best I've ever had on my boat!!!! This makes a huge difference. My g8 is a little different than most as well. Mine is wider and not nearly as long... Wake is awesome... About 9 inches wide and about 6-7 inches out from boat - it's a rectangle cutting board, but the longer side running parallel to boat rather than at 90 degrees out - the opposite of all I have seen so far. I also have mine right at the surface when I put it on, the suction cups just out of the water when installed, but once boat gets going it goes under water... I'll take pics and proper measurements when I'm back up at the cottage. I tried one slightly bigger, and the smaller one worked the best... Pics coming on the weekend...
Thanks for the write up. Looking forward to pictures and curious to see the gate as well with larger side parallel.

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[parrothd]

Instead of using the wake plate, move ballast to the surf side. Use the plate only to make the wave longer or taller.

[costanza]

Instead of using the wake plate, move ballast to the surf side. Use the plate only to make the wave longer or taller.

You mean add more weight on surf side? I've got a few boys coming up this weekend, so I'll have a little extra weight in the boat. My girls (12 and 9) aren't helping for extra weight... :-D

I also got to try out my new Soulcraft board last weekend... FREAKING AWESOME!!!!! I don't do it justice (yet), but man, Jeff seriously makes a great board...

[wolfeman131]

v4


v4?

with all you've spent on time & material, you could've just bought a Supra w/ SWELL . . . .

:)

[volfan705]

I have a 2007 XLV and cant get it to hold at all? I have the silver suction handle... any ideas?

[volfan705]

The aluminum amazon handle is a beast. Light years ahead of the plastic HOD one I used on my suck gate Mk I. Easy to attach and has not detached once.

Seems to be a toss up. I had good luck with the amazon handle but I see equally good reviews for harbor freight one.

Poison I have the same handle and I cant get it to hold at all.. same boat as well?

[brain_rinse]

I have a 2007 XLV and cant get it to hold at all? I have the silver suction handle... any ideas?

Is it because you can't find a flat surface? The metal handle should stick like crazy.

[brain_rinse]

The seastow handle is awesome and has smaller cups. It's much easier to find a spot to put it as a result.

[Poison]

Poison I have the same handle and I cant get it to hold at all.. same boat as well?

Yeah, I have an 07 XLV like you do. I'm actually surprised it isn't sticking...mine is actually hard to even remove. I had trouble getting the HOD handle to stick, but the silver one has no problem at all. You are not trying to put it on any decals right? You want to give it a little push while you are closing the latch. You will feel it move closer when the air comes out, then set the latch while you are pushing it up against the gelcoat.

[mikenehrkorn]

The seastow handle is awesome and has smaller cups. It's much easier to find a spot to put it as a result.

+1 for the seastow......I haven't used mine much yet, but it hasn't moved an inch

[Wax]

I just used my gate on a 14 Mondo this evening for a couple hours. Took some dialing in. If anybody has any questions let me know, had a very good wave with not a ton of weight. Wish Tapatalk would work on my phone so I could post pics.

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[jmvotto]

I saw the best goofy wave ever today using the suck gate, huge long wave, didn't get a pic but wow.. My fuel consumption seems almost double, I think my gate is still to large..8x8

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160612/8af5edeef3d9aa03efe71c37eb74b987.jpg

I bought the same handle, how did you remove and replace the pins and how did you measure the half circles if you dudnt change out pins, mine are rivets

[parrothd]

I used a large drill bit and removed the mushroom part on the rivets, then replaced them with bolts and nuts. You might be able to reuse them if you're careful.

I bought additional suction cups from amazon, same item/seller, but this new one has larger cups, removable pins and beefier handles, and replacement handles.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/2ca369c361d1bced6285a5897558775a.jpg

[parrothd]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/f2a43394f0e1dddbae27252f63752471.jpg

[icemanftr]

v4?

with all you've spent on time & material, you could've just bought a Supra w/ SWELL . . . .

:)

I've spent less than 100$ building them all. 😀 Plus the other versions were profit to friends.


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[Wax]

Parrot, any chance you have pics of you boat wake with the earlier version (steeper) and the new version (shallow above) weighted exactly the same? I'd really like to see the difference, if there is any. I'm contemplating trying one like your v4, but my original is just working so dang good!

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[parrothd]

Parrot, any chance you have pics of you boat wake with the earlier version (steeper) and the new version (shallow above) weighted exactly the same? I'd really like to see the difference, if there is any. I'm contemplating trying one like your v4, but my original is just working so dang good!

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Not anything that's going to change your mind either way.. ;)

I run a lot of ballast in my 06 lsv, around 4000 lbs, not including people. I think everyone's boat and setup is going to be different, the nice thing is you can easily make any shape/type you want.

For my setup, the 90 gate sucked fuel down and really effected the steering while surfing. Basically the boat was moving sideways and the wave had a crazy starting point, it was actually forming from the non surf side. From a surf ability side I don't think the waves really differed all that much.

For each gate you need to tweak the setup, speed, list, plate, placement. The angled gate seems to work better for me, gas wise and wave wise, or it works better with how I setup my boat..

Make one out of plywood and see what happens...

[5:00]

How did you attach it to the handle? Not seeing any screws. Screws from the inside of where the cups are?


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[parrothd]

How did you attach it to the handle? Not seeing any screws. Screws from the inside of where the cups are?
Yep, 2 screws in each cup into the hdpe, I stole the design from someone else on here..

[Sp8]

v4

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160622/8238d4e3487fb0e8aae190cf690fe975.jpg

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I am sure you answered this already, but......what dimensions have you been using for your panel? I know i have seen a lot of 6x9 and 7x9.

[5:00]

Yep, 2 screws in each cup into the hdpe, I stole the design from someone else on here..
Going to try it that way. I don't think I can fit my fingers between those book shelf supports easily.

[JD14Mondo]

I just used my gate on a 14 Mondo this evening for a couple hours. Took some dialing in. If anybody has any questions let me know, had a very good wave with not a ton of weight. Wish Tapatalk would work on my phone so I could post pics.

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Wax how did you have that mondo setup? What speed seemed to work best? I would like to compare to my setup. Thanks.

[icemanftr]

I am sure you answered this already, but......what dimensions have you been using for your panel? I know i have seen a lot of 6x9 and 7x9.

7 tapering to 6 x 9.


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[trayson]

I figured I'd join the fun. I'm into mine under $10.

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160623_210538_zpsovaqldsm.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160623_210546_zpsznixtpds.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160623_210622_zpshdunyzmy.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160623_210634_zpso1di4xrh.jpg

Screws through the cups. bolts through the handle. I picked an arbitrary angle, length and width. Made it red, white, and blue---God Bless America!

[volfan705]

Is it because you can't find a flat surface? The metal handle should stick like crazy.

yes Dan its on a flat surface just above water line with no weight in bags

[5:00]

I like the custom July 4th edition.

[brain_rinse]

yes Dan its on a flat surface just above water line with no weight in bags

Very strange. Do the cups stick to other surfaces? Try your fridge or a counter top maybe. I think I could pull a tuber from mine!

[trayson]

Poison I have the same handle and I cant get it to hold at all.. same boat as well?

I did some test fitting in mine. Some of the rearward pays off my hull have a curve to them that isn't really visible or obvious. When I tried there, no suck. But moving a little forward (in front of the bilge thru hull) it stuck well.

[trayson]

i like the custom july 4th edition.

merca!!!!!!!

[s197pilot]

I threw this one together this morning. I don't know if it will work well or not but I added some side fins to keep the water on the ramp part. I'm going to test this one later today.

[trayson]

We're on the water right now. Tried a few spots. Back, but not too far back seemed good. Weighted the boat normal. Wave longer and smoother and we could use more off side weight despite having no real people weight surf side.

Smoother and longer wave. Didn't really affect handling at idle.

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160625_102155_zpsnzxs21rh.jpg

Harbor freight handle held just fine.
http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160625_102150_zpslaqu4yaj.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160625_104910_zpsq5vuui2w.jpg

[jmvotto]

Only problem I see on the suck gate, is the springs inside unless they are stainless they will rust with repeated use .

Tested mine for suction once , now for the gate build and when I took it apart Rust... Errrr. In search of stainless springs

[Sp8]

Suck gate was a success. Got in 4 hours.....gate never budged. Kids said there was a ton of push

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/image_zpsbm5ptad8.png

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/image_zpsz1hgjbz0.jpeg

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/image_zpsjogn4tg1.jpeg

[ghebert1111]

Another sold customer. My wife surfs goofy and she said on a scale on 1 to 10 regarding improvement, it was a 7. Goofy surf wave was easy to dial in; we had 900 in each locker, 650 IBS, 10.8 and wake plate 75% down.

Regular was a problem. I need to spend more time on it, I ended up draining 50% of the starboard bag to get something surfable but I think we can do better.

[bergermaister]

"Berg Gate" Mark I

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/MoombaMobiusV/Berg-Gate1.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/MoombaMobiusV/Berg-Gate2.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/MoombaMobiusV/Berg-Gate3.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/MoombaMobiusV/Berg-Gate4.jpg

Adding a yellow tether line up to the rear cleat "just in case". Hope to water test tomorrow.

[Jeepers]

Hey there, getting close to that time of year again to start at least thinking of projects to get boat ready for another season of surfing...

I'm flip flopping between a ghetto gate and the Ronix Shaper... Has anyone tried or seen the Ronix Wakesurf Shaper in action? Or found any reliable reviews on them?

I'm wondering how well it will work on our Moomba boats, in particular mine... :D

Anyone with a 2013 LSV with good plans that have worked well for you for a ghetto gate?

Decisions, decisions... :)

Only 3+ more months until I can get the boat back in the water... The downside of Canada - eh, not to mention our Canadian Peso currency...

I'd look at this before the Ronix set up. No Velcro! Uses heavy duty suction cups. Available at Wakemakers. The manufacturers website:

http://www.missionboatgear.com/collections/delta-wakesurf-panel


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[Gabbyg88]

Suck gate was a success. Got in 4 hours.....gate never budged. Kids said there was a ton of push

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/image_zpsbm5ptad8.png

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/image_zpsz1hgjbz0.jpeg

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/image_zpsjogn4tg1.jpeg
Nice RACK!

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[Jordy Dag]

I was feeling left out. Version 1.0 here, and if it works Ill fiberglass and gel the paddle.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160626/2cdd42db4eb0796ad138bf66ecddd51a.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160626/966042ee5bd92b694b8cacd7e37897ca.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160626/b83b7cc41591370ca988ca633a92206f.jpg

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[Jordy Dag]

The handle is a Pro-Tek, brackets and stainless hardware from Cambodian Tire and I used 3/8 stainless tubing for spacers. Ill test it tomorrow

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[trayson]

I'd look at this before the Ronix set up. No Velcro! Uses heavy duty suction cups. Available at Wakemakers. The manufacturers website:

http://www.missionboatgear.com/collections/delta-wakesurf-panel


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Jeepers, the last few weeks of this thread have been people making their own versions of the Mission suck gate. I tested mine today. I made it with a $8 harbor freight handle, some stainless steel screws, and a little extra HDPE plastic I had laying around. I figure if you factor in the price of the screws, I'm about $10. if I would have had to have bought a cutting board to canibalize, then I'd be about $20 in materials and an hour or two one evening to make it.

I guess I just saved myself $480.

[FlatLander7]

What is the general notion on the best degree angle for the board to stick out?

[pcross]

Lots of awesome pictures and discussion about making the gate but I'm interested hearing/seeing how these things are really working. Please update us on the on-the-water experience. I ordered my "kit" on Amazon yesterday......

[98outback]

I'm trying to figure out the same thing. Is there a certain degree the gate needs to be at or just wing it with a small degree?

[jmvotto]

We're on the water right now. Tried a few spots. Back, but not too far back seemed good. Weighted the boat normal. Wave longer and smoother and we could use more off side weight despite having no real people weight surf side.

Smoother and longer wave. Didn't really affect handling at idle.

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160625_102155_zpsnzxs21rh.jpg

Harbor freight handle held just fine.
http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160625_102150_zpslaqu4yaj.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160625_104910_zpsq5vuui2w.jpg
Grayson, you mount the suck gate on the bottom rail of the boat ?

[Sp8]

Grayson, you mount the suck gate on the bottom rail of the boat ?


Same question. I had a lot more spray from my mine. When we had it lower, the wave lacked push.

[kaneboats]

Made mine yesterday. Gonna try it out today. I'll try to get some pics. Saved $470 in beer money. Time to celebrate.

[trayson]

Trayson, you mount the suck gate on the bottom rail of the boat ?


Same question. I had a lot more spray from my mine. When we had it lower, the wave lacked push.


Like some of the others, it's mounted at or a bit above the water line at rest, so it dunks when the boat is moving. I didn't like it too high because the spray it threw up that would douse the sundeck. Too low and it becomes less effective (i believe)

So mine is definitely in the black main color side of my hull. It's well above the white step out portion of my hull (as depicted in the high tech XLV autocad diagram earlier in this thread). I think my handle would have a harder time sticking in that down low step out as the harbor freight handle has about 4.5" cups if I remember right. almost the whole size of the step.

Anyway, I just experimented with placement without a rider until I thought the shape "looked" best, and then I left it in the spot and we went out and rode. The wave was a bit taller, at least 1 maybe 2 board lengths longer pocket. and wider/cleaner. It wasn't life changing. But fun and an improvement.

[trayson]

I'm trying to figure out the same thing. Is there a certain degree the gate needs to be at or just wing it with a small degree?

I think it's really hard to know for sure without lots of testing. I really, really thought about mounting my gate piece on a stainless hinge with a telescoping support piece behind it so I could vary the angle of the gate relative to the handle. but I went the quick and easy route and just made a guess and kept mine fixed.

I can tell you that there's an inverse relationship between angle and surface area. Look at the Malibu surf gate. big surface area, about 22 degree angle. whereas the NSS surf blades have a 90 degree angle and only stick out 1 to 3 inches from the side of the hull.

Knowing that basic premise, I just went with a "less than 90" degree angle on mine and guessed at width and called it a day. When you factor in angle of the gate, placement of the gate, surface area of the gate, amount of ballast weight, shape of the hull, speed of the boat, etc. there's so many things at play it is really hard to make any solid conclusions on one of those variables.

[Sp8]

Here are a couple pics of the suck wave. Should have better ones once we get back home.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/image_zpsxq6s37mo.png

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/image_zps3ib4fc7f.png

[trayson]

Like some of the others, it's mounted at or a bit above the water line at rest, so it dunks when the boat is moving. I didn't like it too high because the spray it threw up that would douse the sundeck. Too low and it becomes less effective (i believe)

So mine is definitely in the black main color side of my hull. It's well above the white step out portion of my hull (as depicted in the high tech XLV autocad diagram earlier in this thread). I think my handle would have a harder time sticking in that down low step out as the harbor freight handle has about 4.5" cups if I remember right. almost the whole size of the step.

Anyway, I just experimented with placement without a rider until I thought the shape "looked" best, and then I left it in the spot and we went out and rode. The wave was a bit taller, at least 1 maybe 2 board lengths longer pocket. and wider/cleaner. It wasn't life changing. But fun and an improvement.

I think this was about where I had it mounted for this wave:

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160626_104020_zps3vvnyj2e.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160625_102155_zpsnzxs21rh.jpg

[Sp8]

I think this was about where I had it mounted for this wave:

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160626_104020_zps3vvnyj2e.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160625_102155_zpsnzxs21rh.jpg

Wow. I have mine so much further back. But I love the fact that you don't have to deal with the spray.

[trayson]

Wow. I have mine so much further back. But I love the fact that you don't have to deal with the spray.

Not sure yet where the optimal spot is. after about 5 to 10 start and stops with repositioning, I got impatient and just picked what looked decent and rode it. I do know that my hull curves more the farther back I go, so I had to take that into consideration as far as suction. Although, I think the design of my HDPE support structure is actually bowing my handle, so maybe it's liking the curve now vs. when the handle didn't have a bunch of screws drilled into it.

[bergermaister]

You've got me thinking I may need to double the length of my safety tether now so I can test different spots. Hmmmm.

[s197pilot]

24494 I used my suck gate all weekend and I am very pleased with the results. The wave is better than my ghetto gate and the suck gate is much smaller and easier to store when we are not surfing.

[jmvotto]

Gonna give one a try low and at the stearn

45 and 90 in same suck gate

Plus I painted the internal springs hoping to keep from rusting

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/Mobile%20Uploads/DFF3262A-2569-41D1-BB8C-83B3F0FE5219_zpslziurihd.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/Mobile%20Uploads/DFF3262A-2569-41D1-BB8C-83B3F0FE5219_zpslziurihd.jpg.html)

[s197pilot]

Same question. I had a lot more spray from my mine. When we had it lower, the wave lacked push.
I didn't get much spray even when the gate was not fully submerged. My gate has a channel design so that may make some difference. 2449524496

[ghebert1111]

I used the standard bracket design so I initially had a 90 degree suckgate. As reported in an earlier thread, goofy side was great, regular not so much. It turned out my brackets had collapsed sometime after shifting from goofy to regular. Anyway, today, we used it as is, which is a 45 degree suckgate and here are my findings. My suckgate hasn't detached in 6 hours of surfing. Please remember this is all pretty new to me.

Comparisons are to my normal wave with ballast and manual flow.

Goofy side: started with 900 lbs each rear locker, 650 IBS, 500 lb center tank all full, suck gate mounted as far back on the boat as possible and under the ridge on the boat, wake plate all the way down, speed about 10.5. Wave was longer, well formed and plenty of push. I noticed that the bow was way above what i normally see so i decided to let some weight out of the lockers, I let out about 300 from each side, and the wave lengthened and looked great, but had no push. So I filled the lockers to maybe 700 and found a pretty good combination of length, push and form. Next time out, I'm gonna try and put more weight up front, I have a couple of 200 lb bags, and see if I can run with the lockers full, the bow down and get a long, well formed wave with enough push. I just saw about placing the suckgate way farther up then I ever thought about, so I guess I'll have to throw that in the mix as well.

Regular: Weirdly enough, I had to fill the starboard locker half full and the port full to get a good wave on this side. I didn't do any experimenting on this side but will try on Friday.

Conclusion: This $25 thing is fantastic. I'm not sure if I'm gonna go back to 90 degrees or not, I like Joe's design however. My gate is about 9 by 12.

[ghebert1111]

This is not my boat, but the red rectangle shows where my suckgate was mounted.

24497

[ghebert1111]

24498

Try this one.

[Sp8]

Here's where we got the best result, although we didn't try anywhere further forward, just higher or lower. Only negative was the spray, but the wave was worth it for now.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/photo_zpsjolv3xgb.jpg

[Jeepers]

Jeepers, the last few weeks of this thread have been people making their own versions of the Mission suck gate. I tested mine today. I made it with a $8 harbor freight handle, some stainless steel screws, and a little extra HDPE plastic I had laying around. I figure if you factor in the price of the screws, I'm about $10. if I would have had to have bought a cutting board to canibalize, then I'd be about $20 in materials and an hour or two one evening to make it.

I guess I just saved myself $480.

Can't argue with that!!


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[Jordy Dag]

Aaaand Im hooked! Suck gate was a hit! Finally able to go ropeless and the wave had tobs of push. I was able to drop 1 mph off my normal surf speed, we were running 8.5 to 9.5 and had lots of wave AND we werent on the swim platform like we used to be on the outback. Anyone who has an outback dd and is reading this- this thing is a must! I was so happy riding I didnt take any pictures! Lol! Ill get some next outing. I coated the paddle in resin and I will gel it later. Definately going to make several different dimension paddles to try. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160627/bddd89cc0949ab92c414278bbacfbbd4.jpg

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[zd215]

I played around with the front to back mounting locations. It seemed like the further forward I put it, the shorter and more washed out the wave got. Ended up putting it as far back as I could and got better wave.

[Poison]

I played around with the front to back mounting locations. It seemed like the further forward I put it, the shorter and more washed out the wave got. Ended up putting it as far back as I could and got better wave.

Same thing here. I put it almost all the way back. 1100s full on both sides, ~3-400 lbs or so in the 1180 bow sack, and plate 1/4 down. Had push for days. I would have taken pictures, but it was just me my wife and the toddler. My 07 is mostly the same hull as your 06. I may add more weight in the front just to lengthen it out a bit, but I'm close to dialed in. The gate is worth it, for anyone still wondering.

[NoleAlum]

Here's where we got the best result, although we didn't try anywhere further forward, just higher or lower. Only negative was the spray, but the wave was worth it for now.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/photo_zpsjolv3xgb.jpg
Looks like you have the same splash graphics as I do. I was trying lower and fell off a few times due to one cup being on the sticker. May move up a little like yours. What ballast set up were you running?

Kids liking ghetto gate better at this point but everyone is having such success I still want to keep trying...

Thanks

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[Sp8]

Looks like you have the same splash graphics as I do. I was trying lower and fell off a few times due to one cup being on the sticker. May move up a little like yours. What ballast set up were you running?

Kids liking ghetto gate better at this point but everyone is having such success I still want to keep trying...

Thanks

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I had 1100 on surf side, 750 on the other. Ski locker full, 750 ibs full. Think the key then was either having two people up front or adding a bag when it was just three of us. When wake plate was 3/4 down, wave was nice and long. Kids liked it at about halfway tho...made the wave huge. Good luck. Splash graphics came off easy using a blow dryer, FYI. Hardly needed to remove any for the spot we put it.

[kpanderson07]

I finally got to try mine out this weekend. It really, really cleaned up the wake but it lacked push. I was run surf side full, opposite about half and the center tank 75%. Speed about 10.5. I surf goofy and these are factory 400 bags. I had the gate back almost as far as I could go. Any suggestions? I think I need to fill up the rears and center completely.

[mikenehrkorn]

I finally got to try mine out this weekend. It really, really cleaned up the wake but it lacked push. I was run surf side full, opposite about half and the center tank 75%. Speed about 10.5. I surf goofy and these are factory 400 bags. I had the gate back almost as far as I could go. Any suggestions? I think I need to fill up the rears and center completely.

I would suggest upgrading the size of the sacs.....add either 750s or 900s (my preference since they are only a few bucks more and completely fill the locker) to each of the rear lockers and add a piggy-backed IBS. This config would greatly increase the size and length of the wake.

[Wax]

Wax how did you have that mondo setup? What speed seemed to work best? I would like to compare to my setup. Thanks.

We had it under the ridge on the flat low part of the hull. We had to still list though, otherwise it didn't do much way under like that. We had full ballast surf side, full belly, half ballast non surf side, 250 in the boat, 2 people. That setup worked both goofy and regular.

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[zd215]

Same thing here. I put it almost all the way back. 1100s full on both sides, ~3-400 lbs or so in the 1180 bow sack, and plate 1/4 down. Had push for days. I would have taken pictures, but it was just me my wife and the toddler. My 07 is mostly the same hull as your 06. I may add more weight in the front just to lengthen it out a bit, but I'm close to dialed in. The gate is worth it, for anyone still wondering.

That's pretty much what I am running, been playing with center weight lately as well. I haven't run more than about 500lbs in the center sack so far.
It seems 10.5-10.7mph is the sweet spot. Anything above that, the wave looks really nice, but looses push quickly.
Running the wake plate about half, haven't tried going any further forward/up, might give that a shot.

[pcross]

Jordy Dag - what was your ballast set up? Sounds awesome!

[Poison]

That's pretty much what I am running, been playing with center weight lately as well. I haven't run more than about 500lbs in the center sack so far.
It seems 10.5-10.7mph is the sweet spot. Anything above that, the wave looks really nice, but looses push quickly.
Running the wake plate about half, haven't tried going any further forward/up, might give that a shot.

Yeah, try moving the plate up even more. Yesterday, the boat was almost comically nose high in my opinion...but that gave me the most push and the best wave. My wife is very short and she was still able to see fine while driving though, so I guess it wasn't too high...I'm just not used to that kind of nose-high attitude.

[Fastest1]

Aaaand Im hooked! Suck gate was a hit! Finally able to go ropeless and the wave had tobs of push. I was able to drop 1 mph off my normal surf speed, we were running 8.5 to 9.5 and had lots of wave AND we werent on the swim platform like we used to be on the outback. Anyone who has an outback dd and is reading this- this thing is a must! I was so happy riding I didnt take any pictures! Lol! Ill get some next outing. I coated the paddle in resin and I will gel it later. Definately going to make several different dimension paddles to try. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160627/bddd89cc0949ab92c414278bbacfbbd4.jpg

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Glad to hear since that is my boat ;-) What kind of ballast were you running?

[Jordy Dag]

I was running my IBS nearly full at approx 600 lbs, 1000 lbs in the rear, no bias to surf side. It was awesome and very impressive to say the least.

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[brain_rinse]

Testing out the seastow suck gate on jjolson's 08 LSV with minimal ballast - only about 500 in each rear corner, 11 mph, plate 3/4 of the way up
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160627/a358af4be595e1c323e56d5586b2e2a5.jpg

[kaneboats]

That's looking pretty good, Dan. I haven't had a chance to try mine yet as our weather went to heck before I could get out yesterday.

[brain_rinse]

i think you are gonna be impressed with your wave! Here is another shot that shows it a little better.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160627/538f8c5cbe3ebdc58e80974d80373986.jpg

[kaneboats]

That looks as good as mine ever did last summer running a ghetto gate and everything full. I will get around 400 in my mini-IBS plus 400 center. I expect to fill the surf side 750 all the way and the opposite side about 3/4 (maybe a little less for goofy setup). We'll see what happens. I do usually have a few people to move around.

[brain_rinse]

That sounds like a winning setup. I've not tried a ghetto gate on this boat so don't have a comparison, but I'm really impressed so far. At some point we will load up a bunch of weight and report back.

[kaneboats]

I hope so. I removed my underseat bag where the cooler was. Nice to have the storage back. Now that I can run that weight in the rear I don't need the 400 under there anymore.

[icemanftr]

https://vimeo.com/172474028

Short vid of a first timer throwing rope. Bags at 70% (1100s) and bow at 60% (1150). Port side


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[Sp8]

Testing out the seastow suck gate on jjolson's 08 LSV with minimal ballast - only about 500 in each rear corner, 11 mph, plate 3/4 of the way up
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160627/a358af4be595e1c323e56d5586b2e2a5.jpg

Looks good. Where did you place the gate???

[brain_rinse]

Looks good. Where did you place the gate???

On the black just below the LSV sticker
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160627/b1142a610eb67e88fd87e5481424fddc.jpg

[Derrick]

Has anyone with autoflow tried the suck gate to compare the wave between the two? If so, which one is best?

[Wax]

Not I, but tonight I did try my suck gate on an Axis with the surf gate. Best was both systems together, suck gate alone better than stock gate alone.

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[brain_rinse]

Testing is going well today. A little more weight in the rear but still just a driver and spotter.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160628/32f8d907df022ed3266ffb04287319f0.jpg

[icemanftr]

Testing is going well today. A little more weight in the rear but still just a driver and spotter.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160628/32f8d907df022ed3266ffb04287319f0.jpg

This is what I'm talking about. Let's put our $470 together we saved, buy some beer, and surf all day!


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