Anyone seen or tried Ronix Wakesurf Shaper on Moomba boats

[csm]

Has anyone with a newer LSV tried a gate with the panel on the back of the suction cups like Brain's design? I'm super happy with my gate, especially how forgiving the wave is, but experimenting is half the fun right? Just curious if there would be a benefit for an LSV to have the panel even farther back on the boat.

[brain_rinse]

This is what I'm talking about. Let's put our $470 together we saved, buy some beer, and surf all day!


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Cheers! We had some happy surfers today, that's for sure.

[kaneboats]

Cheers! We had some happy surfers today, that's for sure.

That wave is a month long. You have to take a day off next month to collect the rider.

[costanza]

That wave is a month long. You have to take a day off next month to collect the rider.

Ditto, I have a 2013 LSV and the wave is very long, compared to listing, with better height and tonnes of push... Suckg8 all the way for me. Smaller is better with it as well. Don't think that the bigger the surface area, the better... Mine is only about 6 inches high and 9 inches wide and it is amazing! My bigger model doesn't get nearly as much length or push, I also have mine high in the water, completely out of the water when I put it on. The deeper in I put it, the higher the wave, but shorter and less push it has. Made mine out of wood, and it floats... I've made several models, and my smaller original model is still the go to... Haven't had any goofy riders yet, but will post pics back soon... The last 3 times I've used it, it hasn't fallen off a single time. It's actually tough to put it on and take it off. The aluminum suction cup is strong!! Glad to see so many people trying this... Great fun, it's a new adventure with surfing again...

[trayson]

I played around with the front to back mounting locations. It seemed like the further forward I put it, the shorter and more washed out the wave got. Ended up putting it as far back as I could and got better wave.

That's where I'm ending up with mine. Rear cup at the cleat. The spray is channeled under the rub rail.

Springs are rusting on the harbor freight handle. Drips of rusty water as evidence.

If I give the wife/son their preferred gentle pull, takes a lot longer for the wave to form. If I'm behind the boat, I have the wife throttle down and the wave forms way quicker.

No adverse effect on low speed steering at idle.

Still figuring out sweet spots for placement, but getting content, especially when we only have a 60 pound 10 year old on the surf side.

[icemanftr]

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[FlatLander7]

Man I've been lazy about making one since my LSV has the manual flow, but u guys are making me think again about fab'n up a SG

[rdlangston13]

So I have not been following this thread as closely as i should have been apparently. Someone please post a shopping list and blue prints to build one for a 2008 LSV please. I would be very grateful.

[ghebert1111]

So I have not been following this thread as closely as i should have been apparently. Someone please post a shopping list and blue prints to build one for a 2008 LSV please. I would be very grateful.

See page 30.

[kaneboats]

I copied the one on page 30 almost exactly. Have not been out to try it yet though. Dang wedda.

[dusty2221]

I only have 17 pages. lol, don't you guys get tired of clicking thru pages?

[NoleAlum]

Iceman,

Thanks for the photo. Always curious where everyone is putting the SG. I have splash graphics and may have to remove small portion! Do you have surf platform or standard rectangle one?

Thanks.

[5:00]

Good question. That platform is all kinds of dragging in the water yet still a good wave it looks like.

[snyderaaron]

I think I got the position and everything figured out with the shaper.

1100lbs of surf side(port) about 800-900 opposite side. 10.5mph and wakeplate all the way up

[FlatLander7]

I only have 17 pages. lol, don't you guys get tired of clicking thru pages?
Yes I do, lol..

[icemanftr]

Iceman,

Thanks for the photo. Always curious where everyone is putting the SG. I have splash graphics and may have to remove small portion! Do you have surf platform or standard rectangle one?

Thanks.

Surf platform that came on 2013 LSV. It cuts into wake, but not nearly as bad as it did listed.


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[NoleAlum]

Aaron,

Do you have ski locker ballast full? What about IBS?

[snyderaaron]

Aaron,

Do you have ski locker ballast full? What about IBS?

ski locker and IBS full, sorry my bad

[jmvotto]

Iceman,

Thanks for the photo. Always curious where everyone is putting the SG. I have splash graphics and may have to remove small portion! Do you have surf platform or standard rectangle one?

Thanks.
I have the same graphics , I am goin to try mine on the bottom most part of the hull. will update over the weekend


my small suck gate worked great on my buddies Tige Z1 6 x4 inch paddle....

[bergermaister]

my small suck gate worked great on my buddies Tige Z1 6 x4 inch paddle....

Hmmm. I have yet to water test but mine is 6" high X 10" sticking off the hull. Wondering if I should bring along a saw to modify as needed.

[Sp8]

Here's where we got the best result, although we didn't try anywhere further forward, just higher or lower. Only negative was the spray, but the wave was worth it for now.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/photo_zpsjolv3xgb.jpg

repost this pic since we have splash graphics also. Only had to remove a very small portion. Sons friend sent this from last weekend so you can see the wave. Boat stuff starts at about 40 seconds in. Also, no need to laugh when I bite at the 55 second mark!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXDdO6nslNc

[eblom]

I shamelessly copied Brain's design... Thanks to everyone for posting. Looking forward to testing this weekend.

One question... On my 2008 LSV with ghetto gate I fill 1100 bag surfside bag full, IBS full, Non surfside 1100 60% full, 400 ski locker as full as I can get it, and 400 under where the cooler was (surf side) as full as I can get it. How should I weight for the suckgate?


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[kaneboats]

I deleted my bag under where the cooler was. I run more in the rear now so I don't think I will need it. I have a 540 I can throw wherever I need it if I am ever light on crew (usually not a problem).

[parrothd]

I shamelessly copied Brain's design... Thanks to everyone for posting. Looking forward to testing this weekend.

One question... On my 2008 LSV with ghetto gate I fill 1100 bag surfside bag full, IBS full, Non surfside 1100 60% full, 400 ski locker as full as I can get it, and 400 under where the cooler was (surf side) as full as I can get it. How should I weight for the suckgate?


24563
I have the same ballast setup for my suck gates. However I would try putting that version above/near the waterline. I had a version like that near the bottom of the hull under water. I think it's too much drag for all that ballast. I didn't test it above water during my tests and ended up with an angle suck gate.

Also, I found running that much weight my boat would skip/cavitate, you'll probably need to move people forward. And have a few sitting on the nonsurf side.

[brain_rinse]

I shamelessly copied Brain's design... Thanks to everyone for posting. Looking forward to testing this weekend.

One question... On my 2008 LSV with ghetto gate I fill 1100 bag surfside bag full, IBS full, Non surfside 1100 60% full, 400 ski locker as full as I can get it, and 400 under where the cooler was (surf side) as full as I can get it. How should I weight for the suckgate?


24563

Looks awesome! We still haven't filled the IBS yet or even the 1100 all the way, but it's the weekend and I think it's time.

[FlatLander7]

Just looked up the handle on amazon, I got a laugh on what it said people frequently buy with this product.. Think there is many suck gates getting built?
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[Wax]

Just looked up the handle on amazon, I got a laugh on what it said people frequently buy with this product.. Think there is many suck gates getting built?
24564

Oh dude I was cracking up when I saw that too!

[jmvotto]

Note to self , paint the springs, they will rust. Or get the seatow all stainless.

Mine worked great with just a 4 X 6 blade.

[eblom]

FYI I picked my handle up at my local West Marine... Its a private label version of the Seastow

http://www.westmarine.com/buy/seateak--quick-grip-handle--12040234?cm_mmc=PS-_-Google-_-Shopping_PLAs-_-12040234&adpos=1o1&creative=108421553884&device=m&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CjwKEAjwzN27BRDFn9aAwLmH2yISJABWuEXc9NozS-mFr82C03AB5-ASUmBJDCazGMhRxfQdnZuORxoChCHw_wcB

[NoleAlum]

I have the same graphics , I am goin to try mine on the bottom most part of the hull. will update over the weekend


my small suck gate worked great on my buddies Tige Z1 6 x4 inch paddle....
Did you get to try it this weekend? Any success?

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[moomba!!]

Check this out do it yourselfer in my area selling them wonder if he's on this thread https://abbotsford.craigslist.ca/spo/5647957337.html


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[gravity]

Wow. Bold move.

[parrothd]

I gave one too a buddy, he's selling them to his neighbors for $150..

[brain_rinse]

I gave one too a buddy, he's selling them to his neighbors for $150..

That's cold. Unless you get a cut...

[jmvotto]

Did you get to try it this weekend? Any success?

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Worked great on the tige at water level, but due to my graphics , the 4x6 was too far below the water in the 3 position, bottom part of hull,

I will revision the first model with a larger notched blade to reach water level from the lower mount position.

[NoleAlum]

Worked great on the tige at water level, but due to my graphics , the 4x6 was too far below the water in the 3 position, bottom part of hull,

I will revision the first model with a larger notched blade to reach water level from the lower mount position.
I have same graphics and having hard time finding place where it will stick. May remove part of splash graphics to get it a little higher as one one guy has done. Right now kids like ghetto gate better.

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[jmvotto]

I have same graphics and having hard time finding place where it will stick. May remove part of splash graphics to get it a little higher as one one guy has done. Right now kids like ghetto gate better.

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Yes, still tough to beat the ghetto gate right now as well. Will let you know how the new one works

[5:00]

Finally made mine. I won't be able to test until this weekend. Didn't have any HDPE but plenty of 3/4" plywood. The wood has tons of clear coat on it so it should get me through the summer. Thanks JMVATTO for sending me the vector file for the font to make the sticker. Based on Trayson's and other designs. Went with the 6x9 size.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/IMG_4092.jpg
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/IMG_4094.jpg
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/IMG_4093.jpg

[jmvotto]

I like................

[bkearney]

So, is right at the waterline the right level? How far out of the water should the paddle be when running?

[brain_rinse]

So, is right at the waterline the right level? How far out of the water should the paddle be when running?
I had mine just below the water line at rest, and well below the water line at surf speeds. 08 LSV.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160706/42e8f20e9b41ad4e6c9b83b24ca7f2db.jpg

[NoleAlum]

Brain,

Do you have a picture of where it is mounted by chance? Wave looks long and clean.

Thanks.

[brain_rinse]

Brain,

Do you have a picture of where it is mounted by chance? Wave looks long and clean.

Thanks.

Sort of... In this pic it would be directly under the LSV sticker on the black gel, just below and parallel to the water line.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160706/c396d3696d0458b838c83ab8d3130294.jpg

[trayson]

This is what I'm getting so far. not as perfect as some, but an improvement over my normal setting.
http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160628_105407_zps1qmfzyi8.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160629_105920_zpsuulzxtdg.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160629_105935_zpsiy2q1zwx.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160629_105939_zpsdjuxtduf.jpg

so far it's the rear cup parallel with the front of the cleat. and almost all the way down on the black.

[jmvotto]

trayson. that's clearly at the water level line correct?

[trayson]

trayson. that's clearly at the water level line correct?

That one definitely was. depending on how my ballast fills it's at or just below the water line. I've found that with the gate mounted rearward, that the spray off the top if channeled under the rub rail and doesn't get everywhere. I like that.

[98outback]

Mine on 2003 supra ssv. Didn't get pictures this weekend but is a nice improvement since I can weight the boat evenly. Also puts out a great goofy side now and quick to change.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160706/5d376bf17f5c74dc03a46600f4fdaa12.jpg

[blackcup]

To the guys with the autoflow plates have you tried the ghettogate in combination with the flow plates? curious to know if it improves the wave!

[Boonejeepin]

To the guys with the autoflow plates have you tried the ghettogate in combination with the flow plates? curious to know if it improves the wave!

I have my own version of surf tabs and the suck gate works best on my boat with the tabs retracted.

Not sure about autoflow.


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[c h r i s]

To the guys with the autoflow plates have you tried the ghettogate in combination with the flow plates? curious to know if it improves the wave!

I built a SG, will try it out on the 2.5 mojo hull with the 2.0 auto flow in 2 weeks when we're back at the lake. Look forward to anyone else's RD in the meantime.

[bergermaister]

I'm sold on it after first water test. Best $30 I've spent on anything with surfing!

Ran about 7-800lbs in each rear locker, 1180 center full, speed ~10.7, gate mounted about 20" forward from rear corner and 3/4 submerged.

Wave was cleaner, more push down into the flats and 2-3 board lengths longer pocket. Bow definitely rode higher but adding too much weight up front killed the push. The spay on mine ran right up under the rub rail and sprayed out so we had no issues with getting doused.

Didn't get to experiment with too many settings and didn't get to compare to a listed wave but after riding with the gate I don't see us going back to listed again.


https://youtu.be/V22JZnD9MXU

[pcross]

Anyone try a smaller angle on the suck gate? I think the ronix is 33 degrees, that mission delta seems like 90 degrees...... Most suck gates look like 80-90 degrees. Mine worked great goofey, needed to use my wake shaper for regular but awesome wave for a 2000 outback DD.

[Lapham]

Wow, you guys have some amazing engineering creativity! I am sold but have a few questions.
What is the best suction handle to use and can someone post a link where to buy it?
What is the best plate size?
What is the ideal angle?
Home Depot brackets work well?
Thanks guys

[parrothd]

Anyone try a smaller angle on the suck gate? I think the ronix is 33 degrees, that mission delta seems like 90 degrees...... Most suck gates look like 80-90 degrees. Mine worked great goofey, needed to use my wake shaper for regular but awesome wave for a 2000 outback DD.
This is mine..

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160709/8e2bf664234ddc229172f0651daf1b2b.jpg

[icemanftr]

This is mine..

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160709/8e2bf664234ddc229172f0651daf1b2b.jpg

How's the wave on that angle?


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[98outback]

I'm at the lake house this weekend so I will take some pictures.

[jmvotto]

I did a reversible one, 90 and 45. Worked great both ways.

[lsupcar]

in regard to suckgate+autoflow 2.0, I tried it today on my 2015 Mojo ugraded to 2.0 with 1100 in the rears evenly weighted, center tank full and 950lb ibs 75%full.
Rode only with one light weight son who is a very beginner goofy side surfer. With settings optimized with autoflow only, he rated the wake as 4/10. With the home made suck gate he rated the wake as 8/10. The autoflow was deployed with the suck gate. The suck gate worked best in conjunction with autoflow. I had the autoflow at 70% which may have mainly oriented the suck gate at the optimum water level. We looked at, but did not ride, regular side, with and without suck gate. Maybe better with suck gate, but will test further when other more experienced surfers return home.
The takeaway from today is the suck gate seem to help the autoflow maximize the goofy side. Regular side? Maybe better. Will test further.

[c h r i s]

center tank full and 950lb ibs 75%full.


Hang on, where did you get your 950# IBS? And how does it fit? Assuming the legs are longer and fill the full front?

[Jjdyn0mite]

in regard to suckgate+autoflow 2.0, I tried it today on my 2015 Mojo ugraded to 2.0 with 1100 in the rears evenly weighted, center tank full and 950lb ibs 75%full.
Rode only with one light weight son who is a very beginner goofy side surfer. With settings optimized with autoflow only, he rated the wake as 4/10. With the home made suck gate he rated the wake as 8/10. The autoflow was deployed with the suck gate. The suck gate worked best in conjunction with autoflow. I had the autoflow at 70% which may have mainly oriented the suck gate at the optimum water level. We looked at, but did not ride, regular side, with and without suck gate. Maybe better with suck gate, but will test further when other more experienced surfers return home.
The takeaway from today is the suck gate seem to help the autoflow maximize the goofy side. Regular side? Maybe better. Will test further.



I found the same thing, using the suck gate with autoflow on my CRAZ gave me the best goofy wave, but it also sucked more fuel and made low speed maneuvers more difficult. I don't think I will use it much, the difference wasn't as dramatic to me while riding it to offset the downsides..

[Jjdyn0mite]

Hang on, where did you get your 950# IBS? And how does it fit? Assuming the legs are longer and fill the full front?

I'm curious about this as well!

[5:00]

It feels like I have a new boat with the new Suck Gate in play!!

Wow is all I can say. I spent most of the week on family vacation being pulled by a Master Craft X30 surf machine (awesome). I knew I was going to have a really hard time going back to reality with the '07 XLV. Sure enough everyone that surfed the X30 was not too happy. We have a good wave but not compared to an X30. I attached the Suck Gate later that day with no one in the boat and by magic (or physics if you believe in that kind of thing) we got a new surf boat!! One of my kids said it is "cheating" it is so easy to surf now.

I stuck the front suction cup directly under the cleat as low as it could go (middle level). Sitting at rest with a bit of list on surf side it was about half way out of the water but I can't go much lower and that spot worked. I can't go any further back because of the curve to the transom. Once under way the whole gate was submerged.

This gate has a 60* slant. 7" wide at the bottom, 6" wide at the top by 9" high. Other than changing from wood to HDPE I have absolutely no plans to change the design or angle because it worked so perfectly. If someone comes out with better numbers I will change to that.

First day was with 7 people in the boat, 3 regular sized adults and 4 adult sized teenagers but all really thin. Rear bags about 50% non surf 60% surf front bag empty, wake plate neutral. No people in the bow. Speed 12.5 MPH. I don't know if my speedo is correct or not.

Second day was with 4 people, 2 regular sized humans and 2 of the skinny teenagers. Rear bags about 70% non surf 80% surf, front bag 50%, wake plate neutral. No people in the bow. Speed 12.5 MPH.

Besides the wave the best part was time to start (didn't have to fill bags fully) and time to switch from goofy to normal, about two minutes instead of 15-20 minutes. We did a fill on one side and drain on the other while I moved the gate, done!

Clipped an aluminum carabiner to the cleat with para cord to the gate but never had to use it. That gate stuck for two days like it was glued on and no problems steering.

If you haven't made one yet, do it NOW!

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/IMG_4092.jpg

[trayson]

It feels like I have a new boat with the new Suck Gate in play!!

Wow is all I can say. I spent most of the week on family vacation being pulled by a Master Craft X30 surf machine (awesome). I knew I was going to have a really hard time going back to reality with the '07 XLV. Sure enough everyone that surfed the X30 was not too happy. We have a good wave but not compared to an X30. I attached the Suck Gate later that day with no one in the boat and by magic (or physics if you believe in that kind of thing) we got a new surf boat!! One of my kids said it is "cheating" it is so easy to surf now.

I stuck the front suction cup directly under the cleat as low as it could go (middle level). Sitting at rest with a bit of list on surf side it was about half way out of the water but I can't go much lower and that spot worked. I can't go any further back because of the curve to the transom. Once under way the whole gate was submerged.

This gate has a 60* slant. 7" wide at the bottom, 6" wide at the top by 9" high. Other than changing from wood to HDPE I have absolutely no plans to change the design or angle because it worked so perfectly. If someone comes out with better numbers I will change to that.

First day was with 7 people in the boat, 3 regular sized adults and 4 adult sized teenagers but all really thin. Rear bags about 50% non surf 60% surf front bag empty, wake plate neutral. No people in the bow. Speed 12.5 MPH. I don't know if my speedo is correct or not.

Second day was with 4 people, 2 regular sized humans and 2 of the skinny teenagers. Rear bags about 70% non surf 80% surf, front bag 50%, wake plate neutral. No people in the bow. Speed 12.5 MPH.

Besides the wave the best part was time to start (didn't have to fill bags fully) and time to switch from goofy to normal, about two minutes instead of 15-20 minutes. We did a fill on one side and drain on the other while I moved the gate, done!

Clipped an aluminum carabiner to the cleat with para cord to the gate but never had to use it. That gate stuck for two days like it was glued on and no problems steering.

If you haven't made one yet, do it NOW!

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/IMG_4092.jpg

My gate is very similar to yours on my 08 XLV and this was the wave I got from it yesterday... Still could be longer, but it's better than w/o the gate.

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160710_145805_zpsxvcw6bos.jpg

[Poison]

5:00, that is good to read. We have the same boat so I watch you and the other folks with the older XLV hull very closely on here. I have the unfortunate problem of not having much to compare to, as we don't get to surf other boats really. Hearing this after you rode behind the Mastercraft makes me feel pretty good.

Which setup did you like the most? More weight in the front or less? I've found that we have to run little to no weight in the front to get the cleanest wave with the most push (which is counter to most other posts I see) while using the suck gate. I also run the plate 1/4 down as opposed to neutral.

I'm still experimenting but we have a young toddler so time on the water is often limited and I don't have the time to spend multiple hours making changes and testing. Please keep posting results, I pay a lot of attention.

[5:00]

My gate is very similar to yours on my 08 XLV and this was the wave I got from it yesterday... Still could be longer, but it's better than w/o the gate.

Well I did steal some of the design from yours.

[5:00]

Poison,

The write up went a bit long but I put in as much info as I see people ask for on other posts.

What I didn't add was that I would say the tip of my board was about 8 feet from the swim platform with plenty of control and recoverable. Someone else posted that they can recover really well now and I found the same thing. I am watching others give up where they used to but they now have another 3-4 feet of usable wave behind them that they aren't used to. The skinny teens can recover from way back now and one of them figured it out.

As far as the setup it is hard to say. When I tested it on my own with nobody in the boat I tuned it knowing I had a long tall wave but that didn't mean it had any push. The first person up was much lighter than me and had trouble staying in the pocket. I changed him from the two fin board Byerly Volt to a three fin CWB Tsunami. He was carving all over after that. I tried the CWB and it was ok. I went back to the Volt and had a blast. Different boards for different people. I can't wait to get the Phase Five out next weekend. I really think some of that was learning how to surf on a new wave that was different from our XLV and different from the X30 the week before.

I told my brother-in-law about the new wave and told him it was really close to his X30 we were on last week. I felt bad because this is his old Moomba and it came close to his $100K+ Master Craft. Ok, I did change out the entire ballast system, was in bad shape when we got it and I added $25 worth of Suck Gate so I don't feel that bad. I would still trade for his MC in a heart beat though :). It really is a surf machine.

It all depends on the weight you have for the setup. Going from 7 people to 4 people I had to add about 30% more weight in the rear and fill the front to 50%. I knew it would change and it did. It does take some playing around with and it will all change. I found the same with the front ballast. I was expecting to fill it but decided not to during my test and it looked good. When we lost people I had to put some in the front. Maybe I could have just completely filled the rear and none in the front but I didn't try...yet. The best thing to do is to tune it on your own so you don't have people waiting in the boat. That will give you a start point and go from there.

I also found for the normal side I had to make a much sharper initial turn to get the wake to form. For both sides a quick turn to the non surf side then a hard quick turn to the surf side usually formed the wake in just a few short seconds. That higher speed also helped form the wake quickly and gave good push. Again my speedo might be off.

[lsupcar]

Hang on, where did you get your 950# IBS? And how does it fit? Assuming the legs are longer and fill the full front?

It is a Flyhigh bag designed for an Axis A22. It used to be sold at Wakemakers, which is where I got mine, but I don't see it listed anymore. It was model w029.
The leg are not longer. In fact they are shorter then the stock bag. There is more volume up in the point of the "v", which places the water weight high in the nose. I had to build a contraption to prevent the cup holders from popping out. The front hinged seat wants to raise up sometimes too. I know I am not getting a full 950lbs, but the space is maxed out.

[Jjdyn0mite]

It is a Flyhigh bag designed for an Axis A22. It used to be sold at Wakemakers, which is where I got mine, but I don't see it listed anymore. It was model w029.
The leg are not longer. In fact they are shorter then the stock bag. There is more volume up in the point of the "v", which places the water weight high in the nose. I had to build a contraption to prevent the cup holders from popping out. The front hinged seat wants to raise up sometimes too. I know I am not getting a full 950lbs, but the space is maxed out.

Thanks for the info. I'll keep my eyes open for one...

[kregstrong]

Gonna give one a try low and at the stearn

45 and 90 in same suck gate

Plus I painted the internal springs hoping to keep from rusting

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/Mobile%20Uploads/DFF3262A-2569-41D1-BB8C-83B3F0FE5219_zpslziurihd.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/Mobile%20Uploads/DFF3262A-2569-41D1-BB8C-83B3F0FE5219_zpslziurihd.jpg.html)
How are y'all attaching the bottom hdpe that you cut in half circles to the side of the suction mounts? Or just how is it all held in place?

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[Wax]

My gate is very similar to yours on my 08 XLV and this was the wave I got from it yesterday... Still could be longer, but it's better than w/o the gate.

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160710_145805_zpsxvcw6bos.jpg

Trayson your boat still looks listed to me? You're not getting a clean lip. Even out the weight and see what happens.

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How are y'all attaching the bottom hdpe that you cut in half circles to the side of the suction mounts? Or just how is it all held in place?

Remove the pins from the levers and take apart the assembly. Drill holes on the outside or inside edge of the metal and add screws from the inside, through the metal and into the plastic.

[brain_rinse]

How are y'all attaching the bottom hdpe that you cut in half circles to the side of the suction mounts? Or just how is it all held in place?

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Here is a pic that should help:

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160712/78a87ba99f56fba7f0df19aa92d46f49.jpg

[kregstrong]

Here is a pic that should help:

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160712/78a87ba99f56fba7f0df19aa92d46f49.jpg
Awesome thanks, hope I can get the cups off the harbor freight suction thing haha

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[brain_rinse]

Awesome thanks, hope I can get the cups off the harbor freight suction thing haha

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The harbor freight is the easiest one. So easy I'd suggest putting a bolt in place of the pin when you reassemble so the cups don't end up on the bottom of the lake.

[kregstrong]

The harbor freight is the easiest one. So easy I'd suggest putting a bolt in place of the pin when you reassemble so the cups don't end up on the bottom of the lake.
Good idea, will do and report back soon

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[trayson]

Trayson your boat still looks listed to me? You're not getting a clean lip. Even out the weight and see what happens.

Yeah, I've been pretty much just adding the gate to my normal setup. It's hard to think about running less weight! it's so against anything I've ever done (no replacement for displacement, LOL). And I have a 400 bag that I always run under the surfside seats. not sure I'd want to leave that empty???


Awesome thanks, hope I can get the cups off the harbor freight suction thing haha



It wasn't hard.


The harbor freight is the easiest one. So easy I'd suggest putting a bolt in place of the pin when you reassemble so the cups don't end up on the bottom of the lake.

I haven't had any problems with the pins. it's designed so that the pins are captured between the plastic frame that surrounds them.

[5:00]

I am jealous, I don't have a hole saw the right size. Had to go with the band saw and sanding drum.



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[trayson]

I am jealous, I don't have a hole saw the right size. Had to go with the band saw and sanding drum.

I was between hole saw sizes on the Harbor freight handle. I just said screw it, used the bigger saw and just made it fit. sure there's more gap than I'd like, but it's not like it has to be perfect for a semi-circle.

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160623_210538_zpsovaqldsm.jpg

[parrothd]

Yep, i use a jigsaw, that's the one hole size saw I don't have.. Lol

[kaneboats]

It's hard to think about running less weight! I have a 400 bag that I always run under the surfside seats. not sure I'd want to leave that empty???

I removed my 400 under the surf side seats in the LSV. Nice to get a little storage back. Wave is great.

[rca]

Another successful suck gate today. I've had the materials for mine for a few weeks. Metal suction cup from Amazon, shelf braces from HD with spacers and a cutting board. I got it out on the lake for the first time today and it was pretty awesome even with the heavy winds and rough lake.

For reference I have a 2011 LSV with the splash graphics. Suction stayed on all day on top of the graphics. We run 1100 bags in the bag, center ski locker which I think is 450 and a 650 Ibs. It seemed to work best today with the wave side bag full and the off side bag about 2/3 full.

Lisa approves.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160712/18389740a0620361729948da0132934e.jpg

[Sp8]

Another successful suck gate today. I've had the materials for mine for a few weeks. Metal suction cup from Amazon, shelf braces from HD with spacers and a cutting board. I got it out on the lake for the first time today and it was pretty awesome even with the heavy winds and rough lake.

For reference I have a 2011 LSV with the splash graphics. Suction stayed on all day on top of the graphics. We run 1100 bags in the bag, center ski locker which I think is 450 and a 650 Ibs. It seemed to work best today with the wave side bag full and the off side bag about 2/3 full.

Lisa approves.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160712/18389740a0620361729948da0132934e.jpg

Hey Ron, I have the same boat with splash graphics. Where did you place your gate? Mine worked great up high as far as wave goes, but had a LOT of spray/splash.

[Sp8]

Hey Ron, I have the same boat with splash graphics. Where did you place your gate? Mine worked great up high as far as wave goes, but had a LOT of spray/splash.


http://rs1382.pbsrc.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/photo_zpsddx5zunb.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip

[rca]

That looks about right. I honestly can't remember for sure at this point. I know it was under the curve in the hull, fairly close to the waterline. I think there are two lines in the hull at the back of the LSV. I'm pretty sure I had it where your picture shows.

There was some spray, but I didn't notice it too much, due to the huge long wave.

[5:00]

Just checking to see if this thread is still working. No one has posted in over 24 hours LOL.

[Potsieuf]

I'm building one today & I'll post pictures when I'm done.

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[Birdman]

Every one is out surfing the new and improved waves


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[5:00]

Me too starting Saturday AM!

[bergermaister]

Here is a pic that should help:

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160712/78a87ba99f56fba7f0df19aa92d46f49.jpg

I was reluctant to pull the cups off to drill holes and deal with them not sealing up or having obstructions. I just made a spacer piece that goes under the handle and against the base plate. The paddle has a u-shaped cut that snugs down and presses the handle into the spacer on the base. Kind of a variation of Brain's design. Here, a picture is worth 1k...

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/MoombaMobiusV/Berg-Gate1.1.jpg

[Potsieuf]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160715/7f205e02be7e968dcc40087377a4d738.jpg
Here is my sucgate. I'll try it out tomorrow.

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[Wax]

Anybody that has the seastow handle, can you post the diameter of the suction cups?

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[brain_rinse]

Anybody that has the seastow handle, can you post the diameter of the suction cups?

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3 3/4" diameter

[5:00]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160715/7f205e02be7e968dcc40087377a4d738.jpg
Here is my sucgate. I'll try it out tomorrow.

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Liking the gate and the vintage can opener.

[Kudlawhat]

Almost finished with my version of the suck gate. I purchased the suction cup, plastic sheet, and stainless steel shelf brackets on Amazon. Before all the posts came out on how to attach the base plate with half circles, I had already started my own attachment design by placing two of the 1/2 inch pieces of material on top of the suction cups and sliding two pieces of the stainless steel under the handle and between the plastic. This design made it so I didn't have to drill into the suction cup assembly at all. I'm going to try it out this Saturday morning. All my screws aren't in at this time, but I plan on finishing it tomorrow at lunch. Thanks everybody for the suck gate ideas! Much better than $600 carbon fiber wedges. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160715/592712156b0d33fdc079aea144c1cf70.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160715/95c6588ca2da66e4bb921ff4288c18e3.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160715/0ac2f6114c53fbeb6f3e209da38fc67a.jpg


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[rca]

http://rs1382.pbsrc.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/photo_zpsddx5zunb.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip

So I was out with it again all day and the wave was great. I believe I have mine a little lower on the hull than you do. On my LSV there are two edges in hull at the rear that sort of slope down. I was placing it under the second, larger lip. Seemed to work well for me. I tried it above the larger lip today for our first run, but that was the only time in use it has fallen off.

[Wax]

3 3/4" diameter

Thanks! Have a buddy with a MC with a funky ridge and he wants me to help him build one. I think it'll work at that small.

About what dimensions is your panel with that handle?

[brain_rinse]

6"x9" 100 degrees. Base plate is 3.5"x6" and you can cut the circles with a 3.5" hole saw if you have one. He's gonna love it!

[kregstrong]

Anyone know how to get the pins out of the harbor freight suction cup handle? I'm trying to twist them sideways but can't, only other thing I know to do is drill a hole in the side

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[kregstrong]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160715/7f205e02be7e968dcc40087377a4d738.jpg
Here is my sucgate. I'll try it out tomorrow.

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How did u get the pins out of the suction cup latches?

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[gravity]

Just push on the cups hard and the pin will be above the handle then they will almost fall out on there own.

[Kudlawhat]

Why aren't my posts working?


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[Potsieuf]

How did u get the pins out of the suction cup latches?

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Just push the suction cup up from the bottom & the pins fall out.

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[Sp8]

So I was out with it again all day and the wave was great. I believe I have mine a little lower on the hull than you do. On my LSV there are two edges in hull at the rear that sort of slope down. I was placing it under the second, larger lip. Seemed to work well for me. I tried it above the larger lip today for our first run, but that was the only time in use it has fallen off.


Thanks Ron. We are heading up to cabin today and will give that a try.

[Kudlawhat]

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[kaneboats]

Why aren't my posts working?

You have to have moderator approval to post links or attachments if you have under 10 total posts. Sometimes it takes us a few hours. The pay around here is not that great. :-?

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http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160715/5ccdbf5fdae12a1e4ee20525e7c43fec.jpg

Your earlier posts finally showed. I like the design, it looks solid.

[5:00]

You have to have moderator approval to post links or attachments if you have under 10 total posts. Sometimes it takes us a few hours. The pay around here is not that great. :-?

I am voting a 100% pay raise for moderators effective immediately. All in favor?

[kaneboats]

One beer a year would be a bigger raise. :-x

[5:00]

One beer a year would be a bigger raise. :-x

That's how it works.

[bergermaister]

http://www.beermonthclub.com/ - they have gift memberships if you guys are feeling generous

[5:00]

Crickets......

[996scott]

so what is the overall consensus on the angle of the blade? I know some have made it 90 degrees and others have slanted it. Is there a angle that most agree on? just got my stuff yesterday and am going to start on it.

[Kudlawhat]

so what is the overall consensus on the angle of the blade? I know some have made it 90 degrees and others have slanted it. Is there a angle that most agree on? just got my stuff yesterday and am going to start on it.

I used mine today for the first time(around 75 degrees maybe), and what a huge difference it made. I have never been able to surf on my goofy side no matter how I weighted the boat, but today it was very impressive. As others have stated you just equally weight the ballasts for the most part and then just favor one side 100-200 lbs. There is definitely a higher amount of fuel being used to surf, but it seems to be worth it. Thinking of making the face plate a tad smaller.


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[FlatLander7]

so what is the overall consensus on the angle of the blade? I know some have made it 90 degrees and others have slanted it. Is there a angle that most agree on? just got my stuff yesterday and am going to start on it.
Yea this is what I was wanting to know as well

[Poison]

For those of you with the aluminum Amazon Cosmos handle, I noticed that the spring on the inside had started to rust. I removed the cups on mine yesterday and cleaned up the springs to remove the rust. Then I hit the springs with some spray paint (rustoleum something). Taking the pin out of the handle is pretty much irreversible (at least in my case - I'm destructive and could only get it out by mashing the end with needle nose pliers) so I replaced it with two 6-32 x 1" statinless steel screws and nylon threaded nuts. They fit just fine and are a suitable replacement.

I used the reassembled gate today with great success. I don't know how long the paint will hold up, but its better than nothing and should last at least a while. YMMV.

[Sp8]

So I was out with it again all day and the wave was great. I believe I have mine a little lower on the hull than you do. On my LSV there are two edges in hull at the rear that sort of slope down. I was placing it under the second, larger lip. Seemed to work well for me. I tried it above the larger lip today for our first run, but that was the only time in use it has fallen off.

We got out today for almost 5 hrs. I put gate below the second lip with the blade about centered with the rear Clete. Wave was awesome and minimal spray. Will try to get some pics up soon. Also, it held on the splash graphics without a problem. We used the Seastow version this time.

[parrothd]

They all work, the angle one works best for me gas wise, however I'm not interested in evenly weighted, i want the best wave possible, so i run slightly listed lots of ballast..

If you make one like mine, you can switch the angle..90 or 45.. Just remove the screws and move the blade to 90, or what angel you want..

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160717/ced1c324a720d63309a95769c5da91cd.jpg


http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160717/00737e07f348ed5239492366f05b61cb.jpg

[996scott]

thanks guys, i think i will go with some kind of slant and see how it goes. Is 6X9 inches about what most are using as far as the size of the blade goes?

[gravity]

About to try my suck gate on my buddies 2007 SAN 210. Should be fun.

[5:00]

I finally got some pics and a video of the suck gate in action. Hard to tell with no scale on the second picture but it is a great wake, really happy with it. Still need to change to a different platform, it is really digging into the wave for sure.
The video is a buddy of mine with his wife shooting vertical video. I would like to thank Apple for its compression and Photobucket for their compression of the Apple compression. You get the idea anyway. At the end you can see how far back you can actually get. I made an adjustment after this (I didn't have enough ballast) and he was able to save it from that far back no problem. We had only three people in the boat.
Ignore the split vinyl, replacing vinyl starting at the bow but that is a different project.


http://vid210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/Video.mp4

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/IMG_4693.jpg
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/IMG_4695.jpg

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thanks guys, i think i will go with some kind of slant and see how it goes. Is 6X9 inches about what most are using as far as the size of the blade goes?

That is about the size of the original and what I used 7 at the bottom 6 at the top by 9. The taper probably doesn't matter. I used 60* but anything is fair game right now.

[trayson]

I'm still having trouble getting my wave to be longer and less "curved out to the surfside". It really seems to take an aggressive curve at the rear of the wave.

Yes, I know that increasing speed will lengthen the wave. likewise putting the wakeplate down more seems to do the same. but riding above 10.5mph seems too fast. and there's only so much that the wakeplate can do.

I tend to error on having more weight in the boat rather than less. so this weekend I tried the two rear bags about 80% full with the front gravity 1180 full. I left the surfside 400 empty. The wave was okay, but again had that curve in the back that took away length. I had the suck gate mounted at the waterline about as far back as feasible on the midsection black part of the hull. just behind the rear cleat.

The wave seemed to get a bit better when I added more bow weight--I have about 250 pounds that I can fill in a bag that goes under the bow locker on the surfside.

Ultimately I ended up filling the under surfside seat bag too.

I mean, it was a blast, but I'm still wondering what I need to try to not get the back part of the wave cut off by having it curve around, curl and have wash collapsing on the curl. I think that the surface area of my gate might be smaller than a lot of yours, so I wonder about that. I originally built mine narrower with the idea that I might use it in the white cutout of the XLV hull but I've never put it down there as it's WAY too low under the water (or that's my assumption).

[icemanftr]

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This location and version works best on my 2013 LSV. Tried 5 different ones to include this design too, only they I got with this smaller one on lower step was absolutely "no spray" which was cool. Cause no one can see it. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160718/565ff129435de21de27ea9d40bf35d87.jpg


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I found that putting it too low could cause a problem. I found that right in the middle of that second stage vertically worked well. My friend had it tilted slightly downward which didn't work at all. If it was all the way back or a little more forward didn't seem to make a lot of difference. We ended up filling about 80% in the rear and half of front with three of in the boat. I put the two people in the rear surf corner. I played around with moving them while the surfer was on. Moved them one at a time over and he said he didn't see much difference but some. I found I could evenly weight the boat and it would work fine but better with a slight list.
The real surprise was that I could turn to the opposite side of the surfer which I couldn't dream of before. It came in really handy with a couple of idiot boaters yesterday.

I don't know where my wake plate is positioned. My gauge is broken so I just tune visually when changing sides then throw the surfer in. I got rid of the curl in my photo with more weight. I had someone look at the bags and tell me what they saw and thought we were good. He didn't press down to see there was a lot of air. I found with less weight it would create an inescapable vortex and a black hole too I think at the back. Now I have a wall near the boat and a nice smooth trail going back about 10'.

We tried lowering the speed but for all but the lightest riders it didn't work and had to get the speed back up. It meant you had to whip the board faster to do things which was the only drawback.

[trayson]

I found that putting it too low could cause a problem. I found that right in the middle of that second stage vertically worked well. My friend had it tilted slightly downward which didn't work at all. If it was all the way back or a little more forward didn't seem to make a lot of difference. We ended up filling about 80% in the rear and half of front with three of in the boat. I put the two people in the rear surf corner. I played around with moving them while the surfer was on. Moved them one at a time over and he said he didn't see much difference but some. I found I could evenly weight the boat and it would work fine but better with a slight list.
The real surprise was that I could turn to the opposite side of the surfer which I couldn't dream of before. It came in really handy with a couple of idiot boaters yesterday.

I don't know where my wake plate is positioned. My gauge is broken so I just tune visually when changing sides then throw the surfer in. I got rid of the curl in my photo with more weight. I had someone look at the bags and tell me what they saw and thought we were good. He didn't press down to see there was a lot of air. I found with less weight it would create an inescapable vortex and a black hole too I think at the back. Now I have a wall near the boat and a nice smooth trail going back about 10'.

We tried lowering the speed but for all but the lightest riders it didn't work and had to get the speed back up. It meant you had to whip the board faster to do things which was the only drawback.

What speed did you end up with?


I've since moved my gate way back by the cleat, but do you think that the surface area on my gate needs to be increased? Maybe it's not displacing enough water?
http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160626_104020_zps3vvnyj2e.jpg

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I haven't calibrated my speedo so I don't know what it is real world. The Perfect Pass was showing 12.0. I could go down a bit from there but not a lot. My guess is the speedo is reading high. I need to get my GPS out there this weekend.

[trayson]

I haven't calibrated my speedo so I don't know what it is real world. The Perfect Pass was showing 12.0. I could go down a bit from there but not a lot. My guess is the speedo is reading high. I need to get my GPS out there this weekend.

Just get the "GPS Speedo" app on your phone. There's a dial to calibrate your analogue speedo on your dash gauge. I can't remember how to calibrate the PP but it's not that hard, just have to mess through the menus.

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I haven't had much luck with some of the apps but I have a ton of GPS receivers at my disposal as GPS has been my job for the past 28 years. Damn I must be getting old.
I calibrated my speedo to the PP when I got the boat and left it at that. Ok, I need to get it together I know.

[Potsieuf]

I use the digiHUD app and it's always been on, but I only compare it with my truck.

On a separate note how far back are the people surfing from the boat? I definitely have a better looking wave with the sucgate but I still feel that people are to close to the boat.

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[trayson]

thoughts on whether I need to increase the surface area of my gate to displace more water?

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160623_210546_zpsznixtpds.jpg

[gravity]

9x7 tapered to 6. I would go with a angle about 80°. I see the ones like yours but mine is more like the mission and works great on my Centurion and we used it on a SAN 210 yesterday with great results.

[gravity]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160718/09f36b874ae4d5fc10a013b2889a94c8.jpg

How I placed it on both boats

[gravity]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160718/bf5ce0a7fd099aa8aac1c0401bddc594.jpg

2007 SAN 210. 600lbs rear port locker and factory front tank. 6 people in boat.

[Potsieuf]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160718/65f733eabadcca6d9beaa11a4a65f201.jpg

2007 SAN 210. 600lbs rear port locker and factory front tank. 6 people in boat.
Good night that wave is long.

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[gravity]

Not sure why it is sideways and stretched.

[gravity]

His wave was big but inconsistent and washed out easy. Threw on the suckgate and had more push, length and was really clean. The better riders could go way back and recover. They were all blown away the suckgate could do that.

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thoughts on whether I need to increase the surface area of my gate to displace more water?

I think so. That 7 tapered to 6 by 9 tall seem to be working for others as well. No point in going too small. You would have plenty of room for a wider paddle on that second step.

[brain_rinse]

What speed did you end up with?


I've since moved my gate way back by the cleat, but do you think that the surface area on my gate needs to be increased? Maybe it's not displacing enough water?
http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160626_104020_zps3vvnyj2e.jpg

Waaaaaaaay too far forward imo. Zero experience with the XLV though.

[trayson]

Waaaaaaaay too far forward imo. Zero experience with the XLV though.

I've been placing it with the forward cup BEHIND the rear cleat. so that was just the first iteration. Lately I'd been putting it on the black, about as far back on the black as I can go.

[trayson]

Maybe my issue is that I haven't yet figured out how to configure the setup when I have more PEOPLE weight in the boat. With just my 5'2 wife in the corner, the wave looked like this and I was pretty happy with it.
http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/G0063601_zpsnh77hjxe.jpg

However, with a bigger crew, that is when it seems more challenging.


The only other difference I can think of us current. The above pic is on a lake, and most the time we ride in a river with a current that's typically 2+ mph.

[gpd005]

24650I've found mounting on the lower spray pocket has made better push and given me less spray.

[gravity]

I don't see anything wrong with that. Call it good and have fun.

[trayson]

I don't see anything wrong with that. Call it good and have fun.

I think I'll just have to play around with people placement. because adding more people has made the wave a lot taller and not as long. so maybe it's a people placement problem.

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I think I'll just have to play around with people placement. because adding more people has made the wave a lot taller and not as long. so maybe it's a people placement problem.

I have been putting mine about right here (mad Photo Shop skillz I know). You may have a lot of curve there? I am putting the forward cup under the cleat with the paddle angled slightly up. The curve under the rub rail is deflecting about 99% of the water away.
I had a difference of 3 adults and 4 skinny teens in the boat with 50% bags in the back and 0% up front. With three adults this weekend it was 80% in the rear and 5. Huge difference in ballast.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/gate-placement.jpg

[Broke Pilot]

Picked up this bad boy at west marine on the way home from work today... Now it's off to find a cutting board!
http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j323/apachedriver/0F99623D-450D-4244-A173-AFEFF7F3D0CE_zps9ywm8l2y.jpg (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/apachedriver/media/0F99623D-450D-4244-A173-AFEFF7F3D0CE_zps9ywm8l2y.jpg.html)

[trevormcfar]

I have been putting mine about right here (mad Photo Shop skillz I know). You may have a lot of curve there? I am putting the forward cup under the cleat with the paddle angled slightly up. The curve under the rub rail is deflecting about 99% of the water away.
I had a difference of 3 adults and 4 skinny teens in the boat with 50% bags in the back and 0% up front. With three adults this weekend it was 80% in the rear and 5. Huge difference in ballast.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/gate-placement.jpg

We have the 2008 XLV and we put ours (if we had your colors) at the far back on the black as we can go... The paddle is just under the water (fully submerged) when weighted down (maybe about 1 inch below the water line). We have 920lbs in each back locker (full) and the stock 650 bag in the middle (full). I am 210 lbs and i will put 3 people on the surf side, then any additional people I will stager. One up front oppostie surf side, or at the front completely and then any more, I even them out in the boat... One on one side, one on the other so I don't mess with the angle anymore... I run 10.7 when just 4 people in the boat, then a little faster with more people. Wake plate I play with, but its normally half way to all the way down depending on the rider.... I had a new rider and had the plate all the way up (goofy side) and he threw the rope in and basically rode the wave on his back foot as there was plenty of push... for regular, I am normally wake plate half to fullly down.... Before, I basically loaded up the side we were surfing on and it was good... With my set up, its way better on both sides... My wife confirms way better, and my buddy who has surfed for years behind our boat also said WOW! Needless to say, I am very happy with the suck gate and will be building another one (to pretty it up with graphics etc....) but thats a winter project...

Hope that helps...

Trev.

[Broke Pilot]

All built.. Took about 3 hours, just playing with angles and how I wanted it all screwed together. I'm pleased with version 1. I have enough cutting board left over to build a new blade shape and different angle plates. Tomorrow is the moment of truth, since I still haven't seen one of these on a 2006 Supra SSV. With all the angles on the bottom of the hull it's gonna have to mount pretty high up. Hopefully it grabs the water well!
http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j323/apachedriver/4E7F43C9-B893-416D-8686-FF54C70BE766_zpsgcpfb2yy.jpg (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/apachedriver/media/4E7F43C9-B893-416D-8686-FF54C70BE766_zpsgcpfb2yy.jpg.html)
If anyone needs a cutting board, I found a massive hook up here in Conroe. 15"x22"x.5" board for $15.xx
http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j323/apachedriver/3F03EEE3-4A0A-4382-896D-C925B87C050B_zps15fkxu0v.jpg (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/apachedriver/media/3F03EEE3-4A0A-4382-896D-C925B87C050B_zps15fkxu0v.jpg.html)

[Outback Skid]

Is anyone making and selling these things? If so please message me.


2012 OBV

[Potsieuf]

Is anyone making and selling these things? If so please message me.


2012 OBV
It's really easy to make one. Basic tools and a little patience.

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[Broke Pilot]

Is anyone making and selling these things? If so please message me.


2012 OBV

There's a guy over on the supra forum selling them on eBay. His name is plav44. I messaged him about one, he wants around $200ish for one all built.

[icemanftr]

There's a guy over on the supra forum selling them on eBay. His name is plav44. I messaged him about one, he wants around $200ish for one all built.

Lol. $200ish for $25 piece. I'm in wrong business! 🍻


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[kaneboats]

Ha ha. I'll sell my original surf gate for a cool hundred plus shipping.

[Broke Pilot]

Mine is for sale... It sucked, not in a good way. It doesn't work well on a 24ssv. First problem is it slides all around unless the boat is dry when you put it on, no real solution to that. I tied a rope to it off the front cleat, it kept it from sliding back and from there I moved it all over the side of the boat. High, low, front back, and played with ballast and wake plate at each platoon before I moved it again. I'm tired.. Getting in and out of the boat, surfing, moving the gate.. It was exhausting research for no payoff lol.
The best wave I got was as far back and low as I could put it. The wave was pretty, but it had zero push unless I drained the middle 1200lb bag, but then the pocket got so short and close to the boat it wasn't worth having the gate on.
I'm working on pics... Can't seem to get them to upload for some reason tonight.

[trayson]

So I did a super high tech modification to mine to get me more surface area and get that 9" x 7" that many are using:
http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160718_213531_zpspwsibu5m.jpg

And that's the placement I used.

And that got me this wave:

This is with just my wife in the corner and me driving.
http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160719_135940-1_zps1nevfrfb.jpg

[dusty2221]

Broke, did you try the placement Trayson is using? His xlv has the same type of hull cutout/channels as the 24. I think you are the first report of no luck, there has to be a solution.



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[trayson]

Mine is for sale... It sucked, not in a good way. It doesn't work well on a 24ssv. First problem is it slides all around unless the boat is dry when you put it on, no real solution to that. I tied a rope to it off the front cleat, it kept it from sliding back and from there I moved it all over the side of the boat. High, low, front back, and played with ballast and wake plate at each platoon before I moved it again. I'm tired.. Getting in and out of the boat, surfing, moving the gate.. It was exhausting research for no payoff lol.
The best wave I got was as far back and low as I could put it. The wave was pretty, but it had zero push unless I drained the middle 1200lb bag, but then the pocket got so short and close to the boat it wasn't worth having the gate on.
I'm working on pics... Can't seem to get them to upload for some reason tonight.

The $8 harbor freight handle sticks like glue. It's never fallen off once. Sticks whether wet or dry. Yeah, the springs are undoubtedly rusting, but whatever.

One day I forgot it was on there, and after draining ballast accelerated to 15 - 20 mph and it stayed on, splashing like crazy. Lol.

[gravity]

The $8 harbor freight handle sticks like glue. It's never fallen off once. Sticks whether wet or dry. Yeah, the springs are undoubtedly rusting, but whatever.

One day I forgot it was on there, and after draining ballast accelerated to 15 - 20 mph and it stayed on, splashing like crazy. Lol.
Ha. Got mine up to 20. And realized it was on. Didn't move at all.

[trevormcfar]

Anyone see the Delta from Mission... $500.00 bones for basically the same thing we are all doing for 1/5 the cost... Only difference is their set up floats and is patent pending...

[icemanftr]

Anyone see the Delta from Mission... $500.00 bones for basically the same thing we are all doing for 1/5 the cost... Only difference is their set up floats and is patent pending...

Lol more like 1/20 of the cost. Patent pending which part? As these suction cup handles and cutting boards been around longer than Moomba. 😉


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[NoleAlum]

Anyone see the Delta from Mission... $500.00 bones for basically the same thing we are all doing for 1/5 the cost... Only difference is their set up floats and is patent pending...

Friend of mine on the lake bought one for his 2010 Malibu LSV. He says it works great but I haven't tried it. I felt bad showing him my suck gate... Will let everyone know if I get to ride with it.

[mattyg06]

I wish I would have read this thread before my father-in-law bought us the Mission Delta plate.... but anyway it really does wonders for the wave. We have a 2011 XLV and we fill both 1100s in the back, 1800 in the floor, use a 565lb under the observer seat, and have 800 lbs of lead distributed throughout. The wave is well over hip high when surfing... not to mention long and very clean. Next mod will be to customize the swim deck.24667

[5:00]

I wonder if you need all of that weight with the Delta? A lot of us are running a LOT less than that now with only two or three people on the boat.
Glad its working for you.

[icemanftr]

I wish I would have read this thread before my father-in-law bought us the Mission Delta plate.... but anyway it really does wonders for the wave. We have a 2011 XLV and we fill both 1100s in the back, 1800 in the floor, use a 565lb under the observer seat, and have 800 lbs of lead distributed throughout. The wave is well over hip high when surfing... not to mention long and very clean. Next mod will be to customize the swim deck.24667

Damn you running that much weight!!! What prop you spinning?


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[mattyg06]

Yea, I agree we definitely don't need all that weight. At first we didn't use the 565, and only filled both rear sacks half way... the wave was nice. But once we tried to load it down the wave really became spectacular. It is just TOO good not to load it down/

[mattyg06]

Damn you running that much weight!!! What prop you spinning?


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We run an ACME 1617 which does really well.

[icemanftr]

Yea, I agree we definitely don't need all that weight. At first we didn't use the 565, and only filled both rear sacks half way... the wave was nice. But once we tried to load it down the wave really became spectacular. It is just TOO good not to load it down/

Man that's awesome. I been to scared to fill my 1100s full as she's a growler with those and the front bags sacked out. But I am also running the 1617 prop. I may have to see where the wave is at now, as I'm usually about 70% surf and 55% non surf on rear bags.




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[mattyg06]

Man that's awesome. I been to scared to fill my 1100s full as she's a growler with those and the front bags sacked out. But I am also running the 1617 prop. I may have to see where the wave is at now, as I'm usually about 70% surf and 55% non surf on rear bags.

I was really surprised that the engine RPMs were only slightly higher when we really sacked it out compared to when we half weighted the boat. The noticeable difference when the 'suckgate' was added which added like 400 RPMs to the baseline. I think fully sacked out only the engine only needed 150 RPM more compared to only half weighted

[parrothd]

Finally got around to shooting some video..

3K+Ballast , 6 people, listed and angled suck gate..

https://vimeo.com/175700452 (https://vimeo.com/175700452)

[5:00]

Looks good and nice video also. Good view of the 3.

[psycho-heico]

Finally got around to shooting some video..

3K+Ballast , 6 people, listed and angled suck gate..

https://vimeo.com/175700452 (https://vimeo.com/175700452)

How was the weight distributed in the boat...Looks great.....

[Boonejeepin]

I've been placing it with the forward cup BEHIND the rear cleat. so that was just the first iteration. Lately I'd been putting it on the black, about as far back on the black as I can go.

I place my suck gate as far back as possible and low in your blue area. My plate is larger and I am pretty happy with the results.


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[gravity]

How much more does the aluminum handle weight than the plastic?

[scottvanhoy]

Thanks so much to everyone who has added to this post. After reading over it many times I went to Harbor Freight and got the suction handle and made my gate Friday night. Went to the lake today and used it about 6 hours and it never came off. It did a great job and was very pleased with it. I used 1100# regular and maybe 400-450# goofy, locker full and ~350# under front seat regular side, anywhere from 0 plate to full plate with different riders. Everyone on the boat loved it and I was very glad that I made it. Thanks again to everyone for all of the great post. I will try to add pictures later,

[pcross]

2000 outback DD
1500 ballast (sumo sacs) equal in back
Suck gate
Not the best looking wave but my son's first try this weekend and the wave had plenty of push, for dad too!
https://vimeo.com/176087491


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[snyderaaron]

Anyone see this about the ronix wakeshaper on wakemakers

https://www.wakemakers.com/eight3-wakesurf-shaper.html

[Potsieuf]

Why did they discontinue them so soon? They haven't been out that long.

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[bkearney]

Why did they discontinue them so soon? They haven't been out that long.

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I have to believe that it was too expensive, and too many folks making their own.

[Potsieuf]

Sucgate 2016. Lol

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[bkearney]

Does anyone know why this works? I have heard three theories:

1) The boat "crabs", pushing it at a slight angle which causes the bigger wave.
2) The gate keeps the convergence of the wake to be delayed, causing the bigger wave.
3) Unicorn Magic

Does anyone know the real reason

[brain_rinse]

Does anyone know why this works? I have heard three theories:

1) The boat "crabs", pushing it at a slight angle which causes the bigger wave.
2) The gate keeps the convergence of the wake to be delayed, causing the bigger wave.
3) Unicorn Magic

Does anyone know the real reason

I know that it is not #1. I can turn the wheel away from the wave or toward it and there is still a great wave, so no way the boat is side sliding to make the wave.

[beat taco]

All about wave convergence but you can never rule out #3

[Potsieuf]

I think trayson did a write up about it. It has a lot of good info about how it works.

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[bkearney]

I think trayson did a write up about it. It has a lot of good info about how it works.

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I tried to look, do you have a link?

[beat taco]

Google trayson wave convergence
It was the first thing that popped up

[Potsieuf]

I tried to look, do you have a link?
Let me know if you can't find it. Tapatalk won't let me share the link with you but I'll try to share it a different way.

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[mikenehrkorn]

I tend to think the suckgate "breaks up" and/or stops the creation of the wake on the non-surf side of the boat which doesn't really delay convergence as much as "destroying" the wake on the off-side leaving the wake on the surf side unaffected. If that makes any sense....

I'm not an engineer and don't even pretend to be one, this is just what I have observed.

[trayson]

I tried to look, do you have a link?

I forgot that I wrote that post. Glad it's still getting some use.
https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?25041-The-basics-of-Surf-Systems-(and-platform-modifications)

Yeah, delayed convergence of the wakes is the premise they're pretty much all built on.

But I do like me some unicorns...

[5:00]

Yay science!

[beat taco]

Science
https://books.google.com/books?id=rXyoAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=wave+convergence+behind+boat&source=bl&ots=PWXIyICdpU&sig=PIZyd5T_ScqnomiYc7K_QJ66wJI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjGgt7zyZHOAhVDHGMKHcuGBzUQ6AEIIjAC#v=on epage&q=wave%20convergence%20behind%20boat&f=false

[trayson]

Science
https://books.google.com/books?id=rXyoAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=wave+convergence+behind+boat&source=bl&ots=PWXIyICdpU&sig=PIZyd5T_ScqnomiYc7K_QJ66wJI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjGgt7zyZHOAhVDHGMKHcuGBzUQ6AEIIjAC#v=on epage&q=wave%20convergence%20behind%20boat&f=false

Way cooler than unicorns.

[Gabbyg88]

Anyone see this about the ronix wakeshaper on wakemakers

https://www.wakemakers.com/eight3-wakesurf-shaper.html
I called Wakemakers and they are sold out and will not get more for another month or longer. Ronix is apparently working on a new design for 2017.

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[trayson]

I called Wakemakers and they are sold out and will not get more for another month or longer. Ronix is apparently working on a new design for 2017.

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Ronix probably bought all the suction handles off Amazon! LOL. They're making a new design because people are realizing that $500 to $700 for these things is NUTS.

[snyderaaron]

I called Wakemakers and they are sold out and will not get more for another month or longer. Ronix is apparently working on a new design for 2017.

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Hmmmm wonder what they got planned


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[Wax]

I tend to think the suckgate "breaks up" and/or stops the creation of the wake on the non-surf side of the boat which doesn't really delay convergence as much as "destroying" the wake on the off-side leaving the wake on the surf side unaffected. If that makes any sense....

I'm not an engineer and don't even pretend to be one, this is just what I have observed.
This is closer to what a "suck gate" does. Without a gate, there's linear flow on both sides of the boat that typically converge at the same point. The malibu surf gate, ronix, and other similar systems are a different theory. Those change the convergence point by making the boat wider and/or longer on one side, so the surf side is longer and cleaner.

A suck gate does something different. It creates turbulent flow by disrupting the otherwise linear flow. What this does, as he mentioned above, is "destroys" the non surf side flow. This allows the linear flow on the surf side to overpower the turbulent flow. This not only makes the wake longer and cleaner, but since the linear flow significantly overpowers the turbulence and even gets a little "lift" from it, it actually makes the wake taller.

This is why suck gates are more effective than most other systems. I've tried them against multiple stock boat surf systems from nearly every brand with as good if not better results.

One thing you'll notice with suck gates is they are only effective to a certain depth. This is because the turbulence it creates is of course not infinite, it's approximately 6 inches above and below the gate (depending on speed, but at surf speed that's about right). If you have the gate too low, there will be linear flow above it still that is not disrupted by the turbulence, and it will converge as usual and render the gate essentially ineffective.

[parrothd]

Wax sounds like you've tested alot, so out of all the surf systems out there the suck gate is one of the top ones?

[beat taco]

I think my knock off surf gate system looks the same as your suck gates on the non surf side, call it delayed or disrupted, I don't see any difference. Not sure a suck gate would give me a better wave either, I'm barely over stock ballast here. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160726/bf710b53da9bd34a85887e42b88dd81a.jpg

[psycho-heico]

Beat Taco, with so many pages I cannot recall your systems... what page is it on ??

[5:00]

I think my knock off surf gate system looks the same as your suck gates on the non surf side, call it delayed or disrupted, I don't see any difference. Not sure a suck gate would give me a better wave either, I'm barely over stock ballast here. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160726/bf710b53da9bd34a85887e42b88dd81a.jpg

I get what you are saying. I think the popularity of the Suck Gate is that is is really small, easy to deal with, store, and attach to the boat without straps, turnbuckles, padding, not swim platform dependant and so on. It is also cheap and easy to build. Relatively no chance of damage to the boat either. At this point it may come down to personal preference. Your wave looks great by the way.

[beat taco]

Beat Taco, with so many pages I cannot recall your systems... what page is it on ??
I didn't even have a picture of it until you asked. I need to do a write up because I know some of you would try it.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160727/b84fc3807d5e407b7223499487be384a.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160727/591429acb372ccecb5cba8a07163c16f.jpg
I used the Wake Logic control system designed by Matt B. who goes by Martin Archer on The Malibu Crew to deploy and retract them.

[Potsieuf]

I didn't even have a picture of it until you asked. I need to do a write up because I know some of you would try it.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160727/b84fc3807d5e407b7223499487be384a.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160727/591429acb372ccecb5cba8a07163c16f.jpg
I used the Wake Logic control system designed by Matt B. who goes by Martin Archer on The Malibu Crew to deploy and retract them.
How much did that cost? And how's the wave?

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[csm]

I get what you are saying. I think the popularity of the Suck Gate is that is is really small, easy to deal with, store, and attach to the boat without straps, turnbuckles, padding, not swim platform dependant and so on. It is also cheap and easy to build. Relatively no chance of damage to the boat either. At this point it may come down to personal preference. Your wave looks great by the way.

Agreed, and I also find steering at slow speeds much easier with the suck gate vs. a ghetto gate. My wife was not comfortable picking a rider up with the ghetto gate on since you basically can't turn away from the gate at slow speeds. Haven't noticed that with the suck gate.

[5:00]

Hey Jake, that's a whole different thing! :). I would gladly go with something like that, deploy and go.

[psycho-heico]

ok you've my interest.....so what boat do you have.. obviously you took the leap and drilled into the hull.....do you have one on each side???

[Wax]

Wax sounds like you've tested alot, so out of all the surf systems out there the suck gate is one of the top ones?
I personally think so. I think it's as good as anything out there, and better than many.

However, it comes with a trade off compared to systems that keep a linear flow (surf gate, ronix, or basically anything with a shallow angle). Drag is significantly higher, therefore gas consumption increases.

[beat taco]

ok you've my interest.....so what boat do you have.. obviously you took the leap and drilled into the hull.....do you have one on each side???
Pictures are from the outside of the port side and inside of starboard side. I have the Lenco fast actuators and the rider has a remote so he can perform a switch when riding, I also have full manual control in the boat. The system also has its own GPS and when engaged deploys and retracts automatically. So all the wife has to do is drive. The Wake Logic controller is $1250, then it's just hardware, actuators, HDPE, and some switches. Obviously there's less expensive options for actuator controllers, you'll just lose the fully automatic operation of the system. After my vacation I'm about to start I can work on a thread with more details if you guys want. FYI they're called "goose slappers"

[Wax]

I think my knock off surf gate system looks the same as your suck gates on the non surf side, call it delayed or disrupted, I don't see any difference. Not sure a suck gate would give me a better wave either, I'm barely over stock ballast here. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160726/bf710b53da9bd34a85887e42b88dd81a.jpg
Yeah man that wave looks great. The suck gate is for people that want to stay cheap and don't want to have something permanent on their boat, extra electronics and hydraulics to deal with and maintain, etc. Depending on your deflection angle your system may be more effective than some others; also all boats react differently to different systems. The convenience factor of yours puts it into a different category, and so does the cost (I assume) and application of it. I think we all would of course like an automatic system like that if all other variables were the same.

[5:00]

I guess we got our answer on Wake Makers not having the Ronix. They have the Mission Delta on the site now. Interesting timing.

[5:00]

You can also look at the Goose Slapper as an alternative to buying a new boat. Convenience is great though and the auto system puts it over the top in my book and would love to have. I have been on boats with the auto systems and the GPS part would be great. My boat says Goose Slapper, my two kids going to college next month says Suck Gate.
Please post up on what you have I am sure a lot of people including me would like to see it.

[parrothd]

Pictures are from the outside of the port side and inside of starboard side. I have the Lenco fast actuators and the rider has a remote so he can perform a switch when riding, I also have full manual control in the boat. The system also has its own GPS and when engaged deploys and retracts automatically. So all the wife has to do is drive. The Wake Logic controller is $1250, then it's just hardware, actuators, HDPE, and some switches. Obviously there's less expensive options for actuator controllers, you'll just lose the fully automatic operation of the system. After my vacation I'm about to start I can work on a thread with more details if you guys want. FYI they're called "goose slappers"
Where can i get more info about the controller? I was going down this road with adding actuators but got sidetracked with the suck gate. :)

[FlatLander7]

Pictures are from the outside of the port side and inside of starboard side. I have the Lenco fast actuators and the rider has a remote so he can perform a switch when riding, I also have full manual control in the boat. The system also has its own GPS and when engaged deploys and retracts automatically. So all the wife has to do is drive. The Wake Logic controller is $1250, then it's just hardware, actuators, HDPE, and some switches. Obviously there's less expensive options for actuator controllers, you'll just lose the fully automatic operation of the system. After my vacation I'm about to start I can work on a thread with more details if you guys want. FYI they're called "goose slappers"
I'd like to see a write up if you get time

[trayson]

FYI they're called "goose slappers"

You've obviously been hanging out with Russ.

[snyderaaron]

Getting ready to build a suck gate and looked up dual suction handle on amazon. Did anyone else look closely at some of the results that popped up? HAHAHAHA, if you didn't check it out again. Turns out the handles can have some purpose in the shower

[trayson]

Getting ready to build a suck gate and looked up dual suction handle on amazon. Did anyone else look closely at some of the results that popped up? HAHAHAHA, if you didn't check it out again. Turns out the handles can have some purpose in the shower

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Safety first!!!!!!!!!!

That "two pack" looks pretty tempting!

[snyderaaron]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Safety first!!!!!!!!!!

That "two pack" looks pretty tempting!

I showed my wife. She was wondering what I was building!


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[5:00]

Need to buy together with the foot rest. Safety and comfort. I have two extra HOD. Going to put them in the shower and see what she says.

[parrothd]

I'd like to see a write up if you get time
There's lots of info on the Malibu's forum, not much on the controller, other than contact info..

[trayson]

Need to buy together with the foot rest. Safety and comfort. I have two extra HOD. Going to put them in the shower and see what she says.


I'd like to see a write up if you get time

Yeah, let's see a write up on that 5:00. Pics and Video are always helpful.

http://www.tweak3d.net/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/vintage/bigshift.gif

[beat taco]

Where can i get more info about the controller? I was going down this road with adding actuators but got sidetracked with the suck gate. :)
Info and users manual pdf:

http://www.wakegarage.com/wake-logic-contact

Contact Matt:

[email protected]

Or Martin Archer on bu crew via pm, he's a mod over there.

And as Trayson already knows, "goose slappers" on google will yield a bunch of info Russ aka midnight max has posted, who's got a bunch of installs under his belt including mine.

[FlatLander7]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01G82GQPQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1469657222&sr=8-7&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=dual+suction+handle&dpPl=1&dpID=411AMVgnFCL&ref=plSrch

For all those wanting to build a Super Suck gate Magnum

[parrothd]

Info and users manual pdf:

http://www.wakegarage.com/wake-logic-contact

Contact Matt:

[email protected]

Or Martin Archer on bu crew via pm, he's a mod over there.

And as Trayson already knows, "goose slappers" on google will yield a bunch of info Russ aka midnight max has posted, who's got a bunch of installs under his belt including mine.
Thanks! I searched and searched but couldn't find any info except the email contact. I was looking for something like this instead of trying to build something.

Only wish the gates were position based instead of timed. Probably a winter project at this point.

[NoleAlum]

Did anyone else get an email from WM this morning announcing the Mission Delta?? Interesting timing with the Ronix "discontinued".

[Gabbyg88]

Did anyone else get an email from WM this morning announcing the Mission Delta?? Interesting timing with the Ronix "discontinued".
The Ronix Eight.3 wakesurf shaper is listed again on wakemakers.com but showing back ordered until August 29th.

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[MoombaPat]

www.QuickShiftWakeSurfing.net
(http://www.quickshiftwakesurfing.net)
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[parrothd]

Lol.. Guess this guy didn't read the thread, $250 when you can make it for $30..

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[Sp8]

Lol.. Guess this guy didn't read the thread, $250 when you can make it for $30..

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160730/9eecc5e5fff245eb6b7d3c7e1a1946cd.jpg

At the end of today's run, we switched up and went with wake plate all the way up and bumped speed to 11.2. I liked the results!!!!

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/image_zpsntqqy3va.jpeg

[snyderaaron]

At the end of today's run, we switched up and went with wake plate all the way up and bumped speed to 11.2. I liked the results!!!!

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah269/jsp8/image_zpsntqqy3va.jpeg

How was the push?


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[Sp8]

How was the push?


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I didn't ride. My son and buddy that ride a lot said best ever. Was a little too big for the newbie's though. I saw kids get pretty far back and recover, so I am assuming the push was there.

[Sp8]

I didn't ride. My son and buddy that ride a lot said best ever. Was a little too big for the newbie's though. I saw kids get pretty far back and recover, so I am assuming the push was there.

Saw this today

http://www.swellwake.com

Looks familiar

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That's at least three companies as of today. Someone needs to start defending their patent. I am guessing we will see a lot of these pop up and the price drop like a suck gate falling overboard.

[trayson]

Saw this today

http://www.swellwake.com

Looks familiar

I like this part:


RONIX = $599 MISSION = $498 SWELL = $199.99

They just forgot to say, "DIY SuckGate = under $20"

[icemanftr]

That's at least three companies as of today. Someone needs to start defending their patent. I am guessing we will see a lot of these pop up and the price drop like a suck gate falling overboard.

Yeah that's getting out of hand. I type in "wake surf" on eBay and more of these pop up than boards.


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[rca]

Yeah that's getting out of hand. I type in "wake surf" on eBay and more of these pop up than boards.


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This ebay listing is crazy! He wants $250 +30 shipping and it looks terrible. He used one of the cutting board with the grooves in it, it's so obvious.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wakesurf-Surf-Gate-Wake-Shaper-/182219509969?hash=item2a6d2110d1:g:er8AAOSw-YVXllQR

[trayson]

This ebay listing is crazy! He wants $250 +30 shipping and it looks terrible. He used one of the cutting board with the grooves in it, it's so obvious.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wakesurf-Surf-Gate-Wake-Shaper-/182219509969?hash=item2a6d2110d1:g:er8AAOSw-YVXllQR

Best offer the $12 that it's worth.

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This ebay listing is crazy! He wants $250 +30 shipping and it looks terrible. He used one of the cutting board with the grooves in it, it's so obvious.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wakesurf-Surf-Gate-Wake-Shaper-/182219509969?hash=item2a6d2110d1:g:er8AAOSw-YVXllQR

Also seeing bolt ends that aren't covered just waiting to cut someone. None of the cuts are straight and blade marks at the top of the "lever slot".
I guess you need to make your own lanyard for only $250. No mention of SS hardware.
I hate to and normally don't criticize anyone's craftsmanship but this is pretty poor at any price. I really hope no one buys this thing.

[Rush]

What has been determined as optimal size of the cutting board? 6x9? Thank you

[Leirhiht]

My harbor freight plastic suction cup broke almost instantly. Granted I didn't have any angle at all on the cutting board (only thing I could find 11 pm the night before.) Has anyone else had this issue? I'm about to order the aluminum hod and make another one. Does everyone run the boat even weight or listed? If even, are they full or hAlf full? I got an 08 mobius lsv I bought used and I'm unsure sure on the rear locker bags weight. It's atleast 750 each but possibly 1100..I just feel like it does that like weight when pulling some one out of the water

[snyderaaron]

Tried suck gate on my mojo. Def helped out and autosurf helped clean it up. Didn't have much chance to experiment, but def helps


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[jmvotto]

Get the west marine stainless handle

[13mobiusLSV]

My harbor freight plastic suction cup broke almost instantly. Granted I didn't have any angle at all on the cutting board (only thing I could find 11 pm the night before.) Has anyone else had this issue? I'm about to order the aluminum hod and make another one. Does everyone run the boat even weight or listed? If even, are they full or hAlf full? I got an 08 mobius lsv I bought used and I'm unsure sure on the rear locker bags weight. It's atleast 750 each but possibly 1100..I just feel like it does that like weight when pulling some one out of the water

I've had good luck so far with the harbor freight handle. About 10 hours so far on it with no issues

900s full in the rear
Hard tank and IBS all full
11.0
Wakeplate up
Acme 1235 prop
Angle of my gate is 90 degrees
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[trayson]

My harbor freight plastic suction cup broke almost instantly. Granted I didn't have any angle at all on the cutting board (only thing I could find 11 pm the night before.) Has anyone else had this issue? I'm about to order the aluminum hod and make another one. Does everyone run the boat even weight or listed? If even, are they full or hAlf full? I got an 08 mobius lsv I bought used and I'm unsure sure on the rear locker bags weight. It's atleast 750 each but possibly 1100..I just feel like it does that like weight when pulling some one out of the water

the harbor freight handle is plenty adequate for suck gates. I've had zero problem with mine and used it extensively with zero issues.

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My harbor freight plastic suction cup broke almost instantly. Granted I didn't have any angle at all on the cutting board (only thing I could find 11 pm the night before.) Has anyone else had this issue? I'm about to order the aluminum hod and make another one. Does everyone run the boat even weight or listed? If even, are they full or hAlf full? I got an 08 mobius lsv I bought used and I'm unsure sure on the rear locker bags weight. It's atleast 750 each but possibly 1100..I just feel like it does that like weight when pulling some one out of the water

Can you post a pic assuming it isn't sitting on the bottom? We may be able to tell what happened. How big was the blade? Maybe too large a surface area, bolt holes too large, defective handle?
I hope the next one works for you.

[Leirhiht]

Can you post a pic assuming it isn't sitting on the bottom? We may be able to tell what happened. How big was the blade? Maybe too large a surface area, bolt holes too large, defective handle?
I hope the next one works for you.

Maybe the board is a little too wide...i don't know. As you can see the plastic cup broke

[z28ke]

^looks like you had it turned the wrong way on the boat. You want the cutting board facing forward with that design so it's putting downward pressure where it broke. With the board towards the stern it has too much leverage thus breaking the plastic and the bracket.

[Leirhiht]

^looks like you had it turned the wrong way on the boat. You want the cutting board facing forward with that design so it's putting downward pressure where it broke. With the board towards the stern it has too much leverage thus breaking the plastic and the bracket.

I had it facing the bow of the boat. Are you saying I need to turn it around?
I figured facing bow would make more sense.

[z28ke]

Can't really tell direction from the pic. When moving does water hit the bracket first or the front of the cutting board? Basically in the pic the bow of the boat should be "south".

[Leirhiht]

Can't really tell direction from the pic. When moving does water hit the bracket first or the front of the cutting board? Basically in the pic the bow of the boat should be "south".

Correct. The "LSV" decal at stern, North on pic, board is facing bow (south of pic)
I know it's hard to believe because of the way that book shelf brkt broke...I'm going to try again Thursday with an aluminum one. Any tips or advice?

[icemanftr]

Correct. The "LSV" decal at stern, North on pic, board is facing bow (south of pic)
I know it's hard to believe because of the way that book shelf brkt broke...I'm going to try again Thursday with an aluminum one. Any tips or advice?

Did you use 1" fender washers on both sides of suction cup and pre-drill holes?


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I am with z28ke the direction the plastic is torn and the direction everything is bent it looks like the "blade" or "paddle" was facing stern. Maybe someone else put it on that time? I had a friend who wanted to put mine on and he pointed it slightly downward and too forward and it didn't work well. Friends, what can you do?

The blade needs to face the bow with that particular design. It isn't strong enough to ride backwards. Some people face it to the stern to get the blade further to the back of the boat. The long part of the handle should be trailing toward the stern in this case. I don't know the size of your blade but it looks huge in scale to the rest. Most people are making them about 9x6 or 7". No need to make a huge one.

You may want to put some angle on it using some spacers. I was looking at photos of the original Mission Delta and only a small part of theirs is actually 90*. The rest is sloped back a decent bit. The back is 90* but the front is contoured pretty well. IMHO 90* is a lot of resistance and not necessary.

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Wow that is really crazy that it broke like that with blade facing forward. I just saw your other post about that.