Ha, I love this! And, that is what matters. It's kinda funny, lots of techy folks on the forums (myself included)... we're kind of a needy bunch.Quote:
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Ha, I love this! And, that is what matters. It's kinda funny, lots of techy folks on the forums (myself included)... we're kind of a needy bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobius22
I did some sound deadening on the 21 SL. Over the engine bay and transmission. I measured the db before and after and there was no difference. However, everyone in the family said it made a noticable difference. I think are too many variables on the water to vet an accurate comparison. Wind is a big one. Tried to use exact same settings in both measuremwnts, but the post measurement had a lot more wind...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...7cc3f6c4a2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...7f2b9b0670.jpg
21 Supra SL
19 Moomba Max
Which post are you referring to? Thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by Mobius22
Edit: possibly post #141? I had to go back a few pages
Post 141 in this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by mgswake
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Effectively, Moomba prices going high enough to expect dealers to give Supraesque discounts of 15-20%
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Thanks for the post. Nice work on the application. I'm very curious what they are applying and where. Deadener would help a bit with resonance through panels and vibrations. It won't absorb sound though. You would need to encase it in mlv and closed cell foam. I enjoy the sound projects. ��.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwfehr
this actually aligns moomba closer to the rest of the competition. most are giving much larger discounts than moomba but have a MUCH higher starting price. we found this to be true last year when shopping moomba/supreme/mb/atx. in the end they were all within 5k when optioned similarly. this was our experience. moomba had the smallest of the "discounts" but were also the lowest starting price.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
The only problem I see with this discount model is some dealers will get greedy and apply the old 6-9% or even less during this high demand.
All for capitalism and it will self adjust eventually.
It’s a mental game really, would you feel you got a better “deal” on the same boat if…..
1) $25k off a 120k MSRP
2) $10k off a 105k MSRP
I think most would say 1.
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Yes, but (I think) anyone buying a wakeboard boat is smart enough to not get wrapped up in a mental game. Most should very well understand the pricing of most brand boats and the game played. If you are at a point in your life where you can afford a $80k+ boat you shouldn’t be swayed by emotion..Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I think one advantage Moomba had is that when you priced out a boat online you were relatively close to what you’d be paying...not as much dealer funny business. Plus Moomba was always less expensive compared to comparable boat brands. This was their competitive advantage...If I were running the Heyday business I would see this as a huge opportunity to scoop up a lot of boat buyers with a fairly priced boat.
Now a Max is close to $90k out the door and it doesn’t even have hinged seats...
Keep in mind, 2018 Supras had like one hinged seat and a 2021 SL didn’t have hinged bow cushions.Quote:
Originally Posted by brad460
But consider this from moombas perspective, if all your competitors raised their MSRP and they are still the lowest MSRP, that can make you look like a lesser quality boat.
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At the end of the day Moomba’s price increases for 2022 were obscene and completely unnecessary..This was not all due to rising prices of materials..
If prices jumped $5k then I think you could make the inflation argument...but $11k+ on a Max (and others in their line) is borderline price gouging.
As someone who has followed and owned Moomba boats since the mid 2000’s this is disappointing.
If you noticed, all SC models (Moomba and Supra) increased at least $10k each. I have no doubt material costs have gone up 25% especially if they are coming from China.Quote:
Originally Posted by brad460
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That is what I am driving at here...both lines saw a similar price increase (~$10k), but should have seen same price % increases...Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Based on all the Supra options, technology and extra components I would expect a $10k increase, Moomba no..
I see it differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by brad460
Both brands use the same/similar
Engine
Trans
V drive
Same amount of resin/fiberglass hull and top deck
Windshield glass
Stainless tabs
Prop
Acctuators.
It’s the common components that comprise the majority of the boat and the increase in material cost.
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I would disagree with most of this dealer funny business is not limited to brands outside skiers choice. shopping last year, both skiers choice dealers on the kaiyen we built and priced out had 3k+ in dealer add on fees/transport/doc and the such after the discount off the boat. we ended up buying an r23 from heinens in minnesota and paid $800 in "assembly fees" and $200 in "doc" fees. nothing else and this was along with a $110,933k msrp down to $77,900 boat/trailer price.Quote:
Originally Posted by brad460
added $3255 in board racks/bimini and $1545 in transport fees to get from MN to vegas and all in was 83,700. Much less in dealer fees from the other dealers we shopped and it wasn't "baked into the price of the boat" based on the discount we got. I will say that we priced out a supra sc back in 14 or 15(don't remember which) and trading in the 22ve to fort freemont while living in depere and they were a no add on dealer. price for boat was almost otd. think there was $500 or so in addons.
we came down to the kaiyen and mb 22tomkat last year and both boats were similarly equipped and within 3k of each other and found that moomba was pretty much inline with the other value boats we shopped-lower price to start but less discounting resulted in pricing similarly otd. ended up in the r23 on a dumb luck find on onlyinboards the day before we were scheduled to put a deposit on the moomba.
I do totally agree on the heyday comment but even their new whip is up to 90k with options. if it was 75 they wouldn't be able to produce them fast enough......
AND will say that up until 2022 pricing the max was, hands down, imo the best value in the wakeboat segment but across the rest of the moomba line, they are inline with the other offerings.
Never understood this perception of “value”… I wonder how many prospective buyers see the new MSRPs on the website and get sticker shock. May not even step foot into a dealership to unlock the secret discount.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
For me personally, Moomba has pretty much priced themselves out of my range. I’ll go get a used Supra, Nautique, or other brand over the cost of a new Moomba. I was loading up Max’s for 80k a couple years ago. Now I’m in position to upgrade and prices jump. I understand part of this is due to unforeseen factors.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhouse181
That was us until our third boat. Our next Supra will be our first “build” boat. Our previous Supra was lightly used, and our Sanger before, was our first showroom boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhouse181
We’d put off going to look because of sticker shock. My CFO was terribly against going to a dealer, and totally afraid of pricing. Once she climbed into the Sanger and found out the pricing, she was ok with it.
Storage, lay-up, and season utilization have been our biggest issue in calculating value. Our next boat will be utilized for 8-9 months vs 4, and will eventually be stored on property (if the HOA will allow us to build a new garage). Our first boat got 54 hrs on it in the first 3 months. We added another 28 before we sold it. Our last Supra only got 6 hrs on it before we sold, but given this year, we made $10k on the deal, and we couldn’t even launch anywhere within 1.5hrs drive.
With the new house we’ll be 25 min to two lakes. Wife works 3 days a week, and I’m not going to a new job until the remodel is done on new house. Even then, I’ll be working per diem, so we’ll be using the boat a lot more. So, my perceived value will be much more, but the devaluation of my boat will be accelerated because of utilization.
We quantify perceived value by the sticker or ad price, but really perceived value is relative to effort toward payment and utilization, and the memories made.
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This is exactly where my wife and I are at.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2in2out
Been in the water since 5yrs old. When wife and I were dating we would use my family's old I/O runabout with friends through college and after. That turned into our own Crownline I/O that we quickly outgrew and got bored with. Enter our old Mojo, and it is perfect for size, power, and fun, but after 5 months of ownership and 46 hrs I have been jealous of the new tech and interior features.
So upgrade....more than doubles my entry fee into moomba regardless of price hike. I get Moomba tech but being realistic I can uncheck a few boxes and keep it "affordable". If the dealer would give a 10% discount like stated by others it comes down to a similar price I was building in 2020 and 2021. Taking a deeper dive, do I want to drop 100k + on a toy I can only use 3-4 months or keep my used unit going strong and not be so upset when it bumps a dock, kids drop food, etc.
When we relocate closer to retirement, we will buy new or lightly used (under 50hrs) then because we plan to be lake side and in warmer climate for a longer season. Right now it is 40 minutes to either lake and trailering beats up the boat worse than kids. Seeing you are moving to Texas, plan on being close to year round water, and can use the boat 8-10 months each year, buying new makes sense. It will probably be a boat you own for years instead of seasons.
I went to our dealer and in Canada, they told me the MSRP on Moomba would have a 9% fee on top of the price, and Supra would have a 8% discount off of MSRP.
9% dealer mark up on a 14.5% higher MSRP? That is brutal.Quote:
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That sounds like the salesman was playing on his phone during the sales meeting and not listening [emoji1787][emoji1787]Quote:
Originally Posted by shockthis
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