Yea I think that will work just fine!
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Yea I think that will work just fine!
Your dealer should have some samples of the Vinyl and Gels so you can compare and take them out side to see how they look. That might really help in your decisions. I am sure it will look great as the Ulta Blue Metal Flake doesn't look nearly as tealish in real life as it does on the build site. Here is a boat my dealer has in stock with it and it is an awesome color!!Quote:
Originally Posted by haknslash
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PACIFIC BLUE VS ULTRA BLUE:
The Pacific Blue vinyl and Ultra Blue Metal Flake complement each other very well....
You can see the vinyl and flake next to each other on the sunpad.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...50dc8613a5.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...78b986fc58.jpg
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Well guys unfortunately I don't think it's going to happen. My Yamaha trade is causing the dealer financing to want 3% more down than I had anticipated and puts us just outside of what I can put down. They say this is because of my trade-in and that typically if I was buying the boat outright it would be 10% instead of 13% required down. Really sucks as I was really hoping to get into the Max this year. To say I'm bummed is putting it lightly :(. Thanks for all the comments and help along the way.
Man that sucks :( that’s probably a couple grand, can dealer split it with you, 1.5% more discount and 1.5% more from you out of pocket?Quote:
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I don't think they are going to budge any more than they have or he didn't seem that way when he kept emphasizing bottom lines. They were giving me a discount of around $3800. They low balled me on my trade in but I expected that being its a jet boat on a non-jet boat lot, just didn't expect it as they went and was hoping for at least a few grand more. They said that trade-in difference the bank wanted more they don't typically like to roll over negative equity into another loan. I can understand all that and was willing to accept it. I was using thinking it would still be at a 10% down payment whatever the total was. The extra 3% just put it out of reach I'm afraid. Really sucks and has us down but that's life and guess it wasn't meant to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munch520
Possibly! They may also change their tune after a few days and they realize the deal really is sunk because of that. Can’t hurt to offer to split the 3% with them!Quote:
Originally Posted by haknslash
I’ve heard of that with cars too, depends on the bank but they do need a certain LTV sometimes. You might also check with outside financing, a buddy used Ohio Educational Credit Union and they do 110% LTV with 0 down on boat loans. He got 4.75% at 180mos.
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If they low balled you on the Yamaha, then try and sell it on your own for that low ball price plus the 3%.
Somebody will snatch that Yamaha up at that super low price.
But at the end of the day, you can’t over extend yourself.
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Yup selling it private is what I’ll have to do. I lowered my asking price on the places I have it posted so we’ll see. Mastercraft is also offering no money down specials on the NXT boats but I’m just not a fan of the interior and the videos of the surf wave look pretty meh by comparison to the Moomba boats. The dealer sells both brands but I don’t even think I would like settling for an NXT just so I could get out of my Yamaha and into a wake boat. I think I’m just going to sell my Yamaha privately and take what I can for it and cut my losses. It would be more than what the dealer would ever take for it that’s for sure lol.
You know, I was in a similar spot, at least I was debating if a 19 max was worth the price, and trust me I understand a max is probably your best bang for your buck new boat. I got to the point where I was going to put the deposit down. I held off last fall and a couple weeks later I found a great deal on a loaded 16 mojo. Yeah it doesn't have all the new tech, but it has the surf system AND I saved a LOT of money over the new max. Anyway, a boat is for the family, don't feel like you need all the new tech, the $20k you might save could go toward something else. Or keep the Yamaha, they are probably the best all around family boat out there and they last. Anyway, good luck!
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Feel for you. That sucks. I am not sure why boat financing is so tough these day. These boats hold their numbers well, and it is a foolish decision to buy one. Typically in life, I find that foolish decision are much easier to finance than say buying a commercial building that will make you money. My buddy bought an AR-242 and took a gigantic bath on it. I would dump that as fast as you can.Quote:
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The saga continues...
The owner/founder of the dealership called me this morning and said he wants to come see my boat and possibly offer more for it. He’s willing to split the difference 2/3 of the way to get us back down to the down payment we were anticipating. He’s going to schedule a time next week to come to my house and I gues we will go from there. The owner seemed very willing to make this sale happen and we want to get into the boat, so we shall see I guess. Things are looking up but I’m going to be patiently optimistic.
He won’t lose a deal over $2500.
Try and keep emotion or fear of loss on your side of this deal.
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just my 02.
if they are not giving you payoff on the yamaha and rolling negative equity into the moomba I would try to sell it yourself. I am assuming you are going with a 12+ year loan and you won't be in a good equity position for years in that boat. that's not a good place to be if you have a life change that forces the sale down the road.
it'll sell eventually but just won't be the instant trade in you get off a dealer and if you go in without a trade the bargaining table is changed dramatically.....
Yep, they'll figure a way to make it happen if a couple grand is in the way.Quote:
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Can anyone who has the upgraded stereo with sub tell me if its an infinite baffle/free air or if it's enclosed sub with box behind the helm? Does anyone know the specs of the sub? Does it sound decent? Obviously it won't be earth shattering bass and I'm not looking for that but does it produce any decent spl or thump you can feel or hear decently? I really should have tested the stereo while demoing the boat but I was too focused on the wave and overall experience to remember to mess with the stereo :D. A big stereo isn't high on my list, we just want something we can hear and enjoy ourselves at cruising speeds and don't need or care to have massive sound like a full custom stereo install. Do you think the upgraded amplified cockpit, sub and tower setup be fine for us?
As for the new boat, dealer opens back up on Tuesday and the owner is going to call me and setup a time to come see my boat. I offered to bring it to him and he said it was no problem them coming to see it at my house. We only live about 35 mins from the dealer so not too bad of a drive for them. Yesterday the wife and I did some early spring cleaning in the garage to clean things up and we took a massive load of accumilated "crap" to the landfill. Good thing because we are again expected to get rain next week so at least the owner could come see it in the garage and now I won't feel embarrassed since we've cleaned the garage out. So tired of this damn rain every week! Hoping we can work the deal out Tuesday and get this boat order into Skiers Choice soon to get in before all the other boat show orders start to pile in.
For 2019 the westsounds sub in my boat I believe is enclosed. Not sure what Max getsQuote:
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It's WetSounds but that's all I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munch520
Also it does seem that the 2019 Max comes with Rev 8 tower speakers instead of the Icon 8 that someone mentioned either on. This jives with what the dealer had told me a month or so ago when I went to go look at the Makai. I'm guessing earlier year Max's had the Icon 8's?
Here's a pic from a YouTube video on a 2019 Max. Not sure if this sub is the same as your 2019 Craz and if that means the 2019 Max has a sealed sub enclosure too. That would be a bonus to me. Hopefully someone can confirm who has a new Max.
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Also a pic of the Rev 8's on the new Max
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My 2019 Max came with icons. Below is a pic. Not sure if different upgrade packages come with different tower speakers but the only speaker upgrade I got were the towers. Icons were what I wanted so I confirmed with my dealer before ordering. But maybe the higher packages come with Revs?
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Can you provide thoughts/contrasts/impressions between the Max and '13 LSV?Quote:
Originally Posted by csm
Hi CSM, that's interesting! So now I've seen a 2019 Max both ways. Perhaps you are right and it depends on which audio package you get? Maybe Goose will see this post and can confirm. I wish the website went a bit more in detail regarding what kind of audio components come with the packages.
I ordered my max with no stereo upgrade. I added 12 wetsounds sub in enclosed box under the helm and actually provided as much bass as I need. I put pair of rev 10 on the tower. It’s loud enough that you can hardly turn it all the way up
Trying to find a better pic but I think it’s enclosed on the Craz https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...04e8c2c255.jpgQuote:
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Sure thing! Below is a braindump of what I've noticed. Unfortunately, with the crappy weather, and the time of year, I only have a couple of break-in hours on the boat, so I can't comment on anything surf specific yet. I haven't been able to load up ballast and mess with autowake at this point, but hopefully will be soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by flienlow
Bottom line: I loved my '13 LSV, but I like almost everything about the Max better, and I would make the same decision in a heartbeat.
Things I like better about the Max:
- The vinyl seems like much better quality than the LSV.
- The huge bow with the filler cushion is a game changer for my kids. They were cramped up front with the LSV. In the max, they basically have a full bed up there. Overall, the boat just feels much bigger on the interior, and more comfortable.
- Wakeboard wake - Just cruising at wakeboard speeds with no ballast, the wake is much cleaner on both sides than it was with the LSV, especially at lower speeds where my kids ride. I can't wait to get out and try it.
- Back seat - I hated, hated, hated the one-piece back seat in the LSV. It was such a PITA to remove, and put back in place when doing maintenance on the boat. The sliding back seat on the Max is pretty sweet, easy to get out of the way, and a cool place for people to sit when pulling a rider.
- The Raptor is a noticeable improvement. I have the upgraded prop (I had the Acme 2079 in the LSV, so it was propped well also), and the acceleration in the Max is a huge difference.
- I have noticed almost zero bow rise when accelerating, probably due to the smart plate. But I was expecting bow rise to be worse in the Max. So far it's much better.
- It goes without saying, but the storage in the max is night and day difference compared to the LSV. It's amazing how much room there is in this boat with the depth. I have the three trays. If you don't get the trays, don't plan on storing anything in the v-drive lockers. You would literally have to jump down into the lockers to get whatever's down there. They're that deep.
- It handles rough water so much better than the LSV. We used to get beat up pretty bad heading accross the open part of our lake. We've been out in the Max in choppy water, and it handles it like nothing.
- On the LSV, the surf rope would rub pretty signifcantly on the bimini due to where the tow point was located. On the new tower/bimini, this won't be an issue. The tower/bimini overall are improved over the LSV also.
- Having flip up backrests in the bow makes accessing those areas so much easier.
My few minor complaints:
- I wish I still had gauges on the dash. The screen pretty much makes you choose 3 items to display. I prefer to have more info at a glance (engine temp, oil pressure, water depth, water temp, RPM, etc...) I don't like having to choose 3.
- I installed an after-market sub (Kicker square 12"), and the one-piece helm/foot area made that more difficult than it was in the LSV. Having to cut a hole in fiberglass, and then sealing the sub to the fiberglass, then the box to the back of the helm was a bit of a chore.
Sorry for the long post, but that's all I can think of at the moment.
Ah yes I forgot the Craz doesn't have the fiberglass facade like the Max and Helix have. Thanks for the pic.Quote:
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csm, I wanted to get the trays but opted out because I didn't know if they would interfere with any taller aftermarket bags. I've seen pics of z28ke using cargo netting in the midship under the seats when they installed midship ballast. I'm thinking maybe adding cargo netting to the rear lockers would be a good idea as well and would allow for monster sized bags if someone made some to fill the Max's cavernous lockers. That being said I do love those trays and yea it wouldn't be fun trying to get something from the bottom in there :D.
Thanks for your comparison on your LSV as well. I'm sure the Max rides night and day smoother too than your older boat. My friends older Outback direct drive can get pretty rough due to its flat bottom and low freeboard on the rougher or windier days. When I test drove the Max it seemed to handle running across its wake very well and soaked it right up. Hoping it will perform well on the rougher days and cut through chop.
Dealer just confirmed, unfortunately on the craz it is free air stillQuote:
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Thank you for the response. I can see where the lack of gauges would be a detractor. The one thing I also noticed on the Max was how do you service the transmission? I really wished Moomba would make the access better. Looks to me like you need to remove screws and floor panel.
I am really struggling to determine if this would be worth the $30k upgrade from my LSV. I could throw more money at my LSV and install a stereo, even more ballast, but that might be throwing good money after bad. I would still have a low profile boat that would take water over the bow and swamp the boat when a clueless driver is at the helm ( truly amazed at how difficult driving a boat is for some people, anyway- rant over.) I would also retain marginal Surf Performance, still need to play with a suck gate, toy around with ballast proportions along with passenger placement as well has have yet another giant ballast bag in the passenger area.
I had an 06 Mastercraft X2, i got so sick of suck gates, and playing around with the thing to get it close to a good surf wave but that boat just wasn't meant for that. So like you, i considered spending the money and ended up getting a 2019 mondo with ballast upgrades, flow 2 and Autowake 3. I think its money well spent if you are into watersports. Not saying its financially smart for everyone, but for me it was fine and the family is going to love it. Go for a new or newer model designed for surfing.Quote:
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Yeah it’s just 4 screws to get to the v-drive/tranny. I think some people just leave the screws out and haven’t had a problem. I leave two screws in and with a drill takes about 5 seconds to get access. Another plus is that when working on the engine from the v-drive lockers, you can squat down instead of lay down and reach almost all points of the engine. In the LSV I had to lay down and contort my body more than I’d like to so I think the maintenance in the Max is going to be easier from what I’ve experienced so far.Quote:
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How did you get autowake 3.0 on a mondo??Quote:
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Standard now on 2019.. The order sheet said Autowake 2, but when it came in it was Autowake 3. Newer software program from what the dealer said.
What is autowake 3?
just an upgrade from autowake 2. i believe its a software change that adds a few more features around pitch and roll and other things. . My dealer didn't know for sure yet.
This dealer mentions Autowake 3 at the 6:00 minute mark as well. First I’ve heard of it.
https://youtu.be/-gkReEVcQik
Update on my boat - dealer is coming to look at my boat today and see what they can do. We’ll see!
Fingers crossed!Quote:
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Good luck!! and remember you hold the cards $$$!! Make sure they want to sell a boat more than you appear to want to buy one! LOL!! It is tough to not act too excited :)Quote:
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Autowake 3 refers to improved logic and the inclusion of ballast sensors on the Moombas for 2019
That’s right, I was thinking of auto flow. Got confused for a moment.Quote:
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My salesman just left my house and came away impressed with my boat for how clean it is, the mods on it and that's it's everything I've described to them. I will know more next week once the dealership owner has wrapped up the Chattanooga boat show. They want to make this happen and it seems like we're moving in the right direction. Hoping for good news next week and yes I'm keeping my emotions in check :D. Also got an email from the dealer today to fill out a form to lock in the boat show incentives with Skiers Choice and allows me to track the boat.