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07-31-2018, 06:03 PM
trace

Quote:

Originally Posted by goose

To clarify, for 2019 Moomba has 3 engine options.

On all boats, you can get the 400 Raptor. It always has the 1.5 gear ratio.

On most boats, you can get the 450 Raptor. It always has the 1.76 gear ratio.

On the Makai only, you can get the 575 Raptor. It always has the 1.5 gear ratio.

Hope that clears it up. For most people, the 400 is all you will need and you can get the best prop for your application. If you are running heavy loads ALL the time, or if you are at altitude, then the 450 with 1.76 gears is a great option. If you want the best overall power AND speed, then the 575 is available on Makai.

Matt Brown,

What are the engine/tranny options for the 2019 Supra line?
07-31-2018, 09:31 PM
Jon

400 standard on SR, SA, SL

New 450 standard on SE and optional on all others.

575 optional on SA, SL, SE.

1.5 ratio on all.

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07-31-2018, 09:38 PM
trace

So the Moomba gets the 1.76 ratio tranny with the 450, but not Supra. WTH are they thinking?
07-31-2018, 11:43 PM
larry_arizona

Moomba >Supra lol

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08-01-2018, 02:02 AM
shockthis

No way, they need to give the 450 a new tranny. If I had to look at a 19 I would only consider it if they had ditched the 1.5
08-01-2018, 02:04 AM
shockthis

Could you swap out the tranny for a 1.76 ? If I could do it for a few grand I would.
08-01-2018, 09:31 AM
DatTexasBoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by shockthis

Could you swap out the tranny for a 1.76 ? If I could do it for a few grand I would.

I really wish I knew why they decided against 1.76 or 2 to 1 on at least the SE!
08-01-2018, 09:33 AM
dakota4ce

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatTexasBoy

I really wish I knew why they decided against 1.76 or 2 to 1 on at least the SE!

Shaft angles all change when they do that....I think they’re more of an engineering challenge than people appreciate?

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08-01-2018, 09:35 AM
DatTexasBoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by dakota4ce

Shaft angles all change when they do that....I think they’re more of an engineering challenge than people appreciate?

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Fair enough, I truly did not know. Thanks!
08-01-2018, 09:42 AM
dakota4ce

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatTexasBoy

Fair enough, I truly did not know. Thanks!

I have only ever heard that. I am not a boat shaft angle engineer as a disclaimer 🤣

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08-01-2018, 10:41 AM
Stazi

New for 2019

Quote:

Originally Posted by dakota4ce

I have only ever heard that. I am not a boat shaft angle engineer as a disclaimer 🤣

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As a former driveline engineer, I can tell you that that is bullshit. The driveline angles do not change when you change gear ratios. The only thing that changes is the number of teeth on the drive and pinion gears.

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08-01-2018, 11:02 AM
Surf Wagon

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Originally Posted by Stazi

As a former driveline engineer, I can tell you that that is bullshit. The driveline angles do not change when you change gear ratios. The only thing that changes is the number of teeth on the drive and pinion gears.

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That's what I was thinking though I'm no engineer. It's just a gear box not a trans as we're familiar with.

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08-01-2018, 11:12 AM
dakota4ce

New for 2019

But....

I think it’s more about the size of prop that you would then use with said gear ratio.

I think we all know and realize that the angle would not be correlated with any internal gear ratio.

But if you reduce the ratio, you’re gonna want to take advantage of its benefits by ramping up the prop diameter, and that has challenges when it comes to a thrust vector and a forward moving boat coupled with adequate hull clearance.

Again, all heresay. But I like the belligerent BS call! Makes others feel good. 🤣

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08-01-2018, 11:16 AM
Stazi

New for 2019

Quote:

Originally Posted by dakota4ce

But....

I think it’s more about the size of prop that you would then use with said gear ratio.

I think we all know and realize that the angle would not be correlated with any internal gear ratio.

But if you reduce the ratio, you’re gonna want to take advantage of its benefits by ramping up the prop diameter, and that has challenges when it comes to a thrust vector and a forward moving boat coupled with adequate hull clearance.

Again, all heresay. But I like the belligerent BS call! Makes others feel good. 🤣

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Yes. With Mastercraft now running a 20” prop on the X-star, then that requires a steeper Driveline angle to for more hull clearance, unless they change the hull design instead.

The other thing is that with lower ratios and bigger props with more pitch (as a consequence) the torque on the Propshafts has seen a major jump, with boats moving towards a 1-1/4” shaft instead of the regular 1-1/8” shaft. This increase in diameter although not trivial, is also questionable whether it is sufficient as there are numerous reports of people shearing the shaft right off with these higher ratio setups.

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08-01-2018, 11:18 AM
dakota4ce

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stazi

Yes. With Mastercraft now running a 20” prop on the X-star, then that requires a steeper Driveline angle to for more hull clearance, unless they change the hull design instead.

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Exactly what I was alluding to. I don’t think the Supra clan is good to go with more angle....yet.

Heresay. Nothing more with regard to credibility.

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08-01-2018, 11:31 AM
dakota4ce

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stazi

Yes. With Mastercraft now running a 20” prop on the X-star, then that requires a steeper Driveline angle to for more hull clearance, unless they change the hull design instead.

The other thing is that with lower ratios and bigger props with more pitch (as a consequence) the torque on the Propshafts has seen a major jump, with boats moving towards a 1-1/4” shaft instead of the regular 1-1/8” shaft. This increase in diameter although not trivial, is also questionable whether it is sufficient as there are numerous reports of people shearing the shaft right off with these higher ratio setups.

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Also a worthy consideration!

I will say this, a recent adventure on an RZX3 with 2:1 was nice. 440 with 17” prop and 2:1 ran very well.

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08-01-2018, 11:55 AM
Prospersigman

[QUOTE=Stazi;330090] there are numerous reports of people shearing the shaft right off with these higher ratio setups.

Just hop over to Planet Nautique if you want to read about props shearing clean off of G23s...
08-01-2018, 04:36 PM
trayson

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoebox

I know what they're saying. First, how are you going to verify that it's 10° cooler? Second, I can guarantee that that dark gray "Cool Tech" vinyl is still going to be hot, and way hotter than light gray "Cool Tech" vinyl.

The basic point being, I don't care what you call it, dark gray (or any dark color) vinyl is going to be damned hot in the sun. A little cooler than the exact same shade old school vinyl? Sure. A little cooler than scorching is still scorching.

Guess there's no convincing you...

Quote:

Originally Posted by dakota4ce

Pretty sure they have “thermometers.”

No they don't! LMAO

Quote:

Originally Posted by korey

I don't know how it works, but I sat in an all black Mastercraft with their version of this 2 days ago on a fully sunny 89 degree day and it was cooler than the lava-infused dove grey in my boat!

:-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by larry_arizona

Even if it’s cooler than white vinyl, I am not feeling the look of dark interiors in a boat.

Dark accents look better on lighter interiors.

FTR, the max coverage Bimini pretty much shades the entire seating area from behind windshield, so there is always a shaded option

No offense to your boat, but I've said it before, I don't like Poop colored interiors, so dark blacks and grays are legit! And blue/black metalflake exterior with blue/black/slate interior is gonna look amazeballs. My Audi is black on black and I love it. Nothing wrong with a murdered out interior if it can not burn ya!
08-01-2018, 04:38 PM
larry_arizona

Quote:

Originally Posted by trayson

Guess there's no convincing you...

No they don't! LMAO

:-)

No offense to your boat, but I've said it before, I don't like Poop colored interiors, so dark blacks and grays are legit! And blue/black metalflake exterior with blue/black/slate interior is gonna look amazeballs. My Audi is black on black and I love it. Nothing wrong with a murdered out interior if it can not burn ya!

No offense taken

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08-01-2018, 04:57 PM
monkey_butt

for those hoping for the 1.76:1 or 2:1 tranny … be careful what you wish for … last year with the Malibu 23LSV I had the 400 raptor/1.76:1 combination and the 2279 prop … well I ordered the same prop for my SL not knowing that it would have a different ratio. Boat didn't plane as soon as half of the ballast was filled …

So obviously a mistake and went to the 2775 (wake prop) which works great. But what is equally important is the RPM … now I'm running at 3400 - 3500 when surfing at 11.2. With the Malibu I ran at 3700 - 3800 and with more than 4 people more in the ball park of 4000 … anything above 3500 will make the raptor considerably louder …

One more thing I heard this year from multiple people on the lake … they can't believe how quiet the boat is - you can't hear it … nobody told me that last year and both boats were equipped with the fresh air exhaust …

So different tranny = higher RPM = more noise and if you really want to know how much … here you can get a taste … themalibucrew forum discussing 2019 changes there - and read the comments below that video …
http://www.themalibucrew.com/index.p...anges/&page=30
08-01-2018, 08:20 PM
DatTexasBoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkey_butt

for those hoping for the 1.76:1 or 2:1 tranny … be careful what you wish for … last year with the Malibu 23LSV I had the 400 raptor/1.76:1 combination and the 2279 prop … well I ordered the same prop for my SL not knowing that it would have a different ratio. Boat didn't plane as soon as half of the ballast was filled …

So obviously a mistake and went to the 2775 (wake prop) which works great. But what is equally important is the RPM … now I'm running at 3400 - 3500 when surfing at 11.2. With the Malibu I ran at 3700 - 3800 and with more than 4 people more in the ball park of 4000 … anything above 3500 will make the raptor considerably louder …

One more thing I heard this year from multiple people on the lake … they can't believe how quiet the boat is - you can't hear it … nobody told me that last year and both boats were equipped with the fresh air exhaust …

So different tranny = higher RPM = more noise and if you really want to know how much … here you can get a taste … themalibucrew forum discussing 2019 changes there - and read the comments below that video …
http://www.themalibucrew.com/index.p...anges/&page=30

All good info. Sounds like there are definite Pros and Cons!!

This is also reason I went 550 on the SE. Hopefully doesn't have to work as hard to achieve said goal and gets decent fuel usage.
08-01-2018, 11:38 PM
jgriffn

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatTexasBoy

All good info. Sounds like there are definite Pros and Cons!!

This is also reason I went 550 on the SE. Hopefully doesn't have to work as hard to achieve said goal and gets decent fuel usage.

I’m going with the 550 on my 19 also, lower rpm and pull more weight hopefully.
08-02-2018, 09:23 AM
Mobius22

2019s are hitting dealers!

http://premierwatersports.net/boat/2019-supra-sl-400/
08-02-2018, 11:49 AM
MJHSupra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobius22

2019s are hitting dealers!

http://premierwatersports.net/boat/2019-supra-sl-400/

My first words were WOW when I walked up to that boat to take a peek inside.

Also noticed that silver-flake and white 2019 SL out in CA.

Time to start the boat ownership shuffle . . . . .
08-02-2018, 03:09 PM
tater

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJHSupra

My first words were WOW when I walked up to that boat to take a peek inside.

Also noticed that silver-flake and white 2019 SL out in CA.

Time to start the boat ownership shuffle . . . . .

Pics of the Silver Flake and white SL ?
08-04-2018, 02:21 AM
elevatedconcept

The Makai with the new reduction is dynamite. Full ballast and 5 people and it laughed at the weight that was in it. By laugh I mean purred to surf speed, and then sat there sipping fuel at a cozy 3100RPM. Boat is unreal, plain and simple. I know Garcia did a writeup about how it prob isnt as good as an SL, I dont find that to be the case. I think being bigger it wants much more weight. Based on what I saw and felt at my feet, thing is as clean and has every bit of potential as the SL, without swell maybe it does not switch as clean, hard to say. But setup on one side? Would be shocked if it does not surpass the SL simply because its bigger.... I was throughly impressed.

I will tell you this, the boat is sooooo quiet... Prob the quietest boat I have been in during the last few years. 40MPH top, 3000-3100 surf RPM. Yes please.

I think their is still performance left on the table. Factory wheel is a 15.5x15.25, based on the juice it had down low its got room for something a smidge taller. When its all said and done in factory form, I bet this is a sub 3k RPM surf system boat. Let that sink in......
08-06-2018, 11:20 AM
NLindellDC

Quote:

Originally Posted by elevatedconcept

The Makai with the new reduction is dynamite. Full ballast and 5 people and it laughed at the weight that was in it. By laugh I mean purred to surf speed, and then sat there sipping fuel at a cozy 3100RPM. Boat is unreal, plain and simple. I know Garcia did a writeup about how it prob isnt as good as an SL, I dont find that to be the case. I think being bigger it wants much more weight. Based on what I saw and felt at my feet, thing is as clean and has every bit of potential as the SL, without swell maybe it does not switch as clean, hard to say. But setup on one side? Would be shocked if it does not surpass the SL simply because its bigger.... I was throughly impressed.

I will tell you this, the boat is sooooo quiet... Prob the quietest boat I have been in during the last few years. 40MPH top, 3000-3100 surf RPM. Yes please.

I think their is still performance left on the table. Factory wheel is a 15.5x15.25, based on the juice it had down low its got room for something a smidge taller. When its all said and done in factory form, I bet this is a sub 3k RPM surf system boat. Let that sink in......

This just makes me want one more!
08-06-2018, 02:26 PM
DatTexasBoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLindellDC

This just makes me want one more!

Will a 15.5-16 inch prop work on the ?
08-06-2018, 04:18 PM
DatTexasBoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatTexasBoy

Will a 15.5-16 inch prop work on the ?

Edit "The SE"
08-15-2018, 01:38 AM
rpk2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aidansdad

Attachment 27310

Seen on IG. Let the rumors start.....

Anyone know if theres a chance of a triple axle trailer for the makai, not a fan of boatman but a factory one might be worth the added style
08-15-2018, 10:16 AM
dakota4ce

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpk2016

Anyone know if theres a chance of a triple axle trailer for the makai, not a fan of boatman but a factory one might be worth the added style

What trailers do you like out of curiosity?

I have had a couple other brands and my Boatmate is heads and shoulders better from what I have seen.

Just wondering what else is out there!

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08-15-2018, 12:19 PM
Stazi

Just stick with leaf spring suspension and the Boatmate trailers are fine

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08-15-2018, 01:51 PM
rpk2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by dakota4ce

What trailers do you like out of curiosity?

I have had a couple other brands and my Boatmate is heads and shoulders better from what I have seen.

Just wondering what else is out there!

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I currently own an older xstar and got a new trailer a few years ago so it wouldn't be as tall on the trailer and the wheel rubs the inside of the fender and have had a ton of issues with the hub. I have read online no matter the brand and everyone pretty much agrees stock is the best.
08-15-2018, 02:09 PM
Stazi

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpk2016

I currently own an older xstar and got a new trailer a few years ago so it wouldn't be as tall on the trailer and the wheel rubs the inside of the fender and have had a ton of issues with the hub. I have read online no matter the brand and everyone pretty much agrees stock is the best.

Boatmate is the stock Moomba trailer as well as many other brands out there......

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08-16-2018, 12:03 PM
rpk2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stazi

Boatmate is the stock Moomba trailer as well as many other brands out there......

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I just knew Malibu and Mastercraft made their own trailers assumed skiers choice did the same but still curious to see if there is a triple axle option
08-16-2018, 12:33 PM
Stazi

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpk2016

I just knew Malibu and Mastercraft made their own trailers assumed skiers choice did the same but still curious to see if there is a triple axle option

Incorrect. They are made by boatmate too

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08-16-2018, 02:38 PM
That Guy

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Originally Posted by Stazi

Incorrect. They are made by boatmate too

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Actually Malibu does make their own trailers now, started about 2 years ago I think.
08-16-2018, 02:56 PM
larry_arizona

New for 2019

http://www.mastercraft.com/trailer

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08-16-2018, 02:59 PM
Stazi

Well...there it is.

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08-16-2018, 03:44 PM
Prospersigman

Get yo s--t right Stazi....so the internet police don't come for you.

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