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We are looking at putting in an order for a 2022 Moomba Kaiyen or Mondo. We thought to get ordering early given the craziness in the market and the likely big increase in price that is coming given the supply chain and raw materials issues facing the world. Our dealer is prepared to offer 2021 pricing on a new 2022, but they want way over MSRP. What is a fair percentage to pay below (or above!) MSRP on a new Moomba out the door? What is the best time of year to make a purchase?
my gut would say they want over msrp to cushion any price adjustments between 21 and 22 since they are selling you a 22. smart on their side unless they already know what the 22 pricing would be. doubtful as that would have likely leaked out by now.
with the current state of the global economy and boat sales, there isn't a best time in the last 12 months to make a purchase. everything is still in a state of flux and likely will be for the short future.
used to be ballpark 6-8% off msrp for a new build moomba. you will see larger discounts on some other value lines but they have higher starting prices and end up in the same price proximity. msrp today would be a decent deal in this market.
all my .02.
Let me start with saying that I don’t envy anybody trying to purchase a boat right now. Bought mine last spring just before things got crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryand
Let me get this straight. Your dealer is offering “2022 boats at 2021 pricing “ but is asking way over MSRP? That’s not 2021 pricing as I see it. A reputable dealer doesn’t ask more than MSRP at any time, even now. I can understand why I dealer would be reluctant to knock anything off MSRP but not to charge a premium above that. If you have an option to shop a Moomba dealer a bit further from home I think it might be worth the drive. My .02
Just to clarify, they are asking full MSRP and then charging other 10K on top of the MSRP for shipping, crains, PDI, assembly, water test etc. Is that normal for Moomba dealers to charge extra for these items above MSRP, and if it is what is standard?
They can charge whatever they want for their “admin” fees. You might want to get them to justify what and why they charge that. But before the scamdemic I was quoted $400 total for admin AND license and registration fees in MN
We are now entering the inflationary period so price increases will out strip any income increases. So 10% increases per year on boats and cars is about normal. Even 10% rates or higher on loans. The key is to have what you need before inflation and weather it out. More large worker strikes where unions are asking for raises to keep up with inflation mostly with the automobile and airline industry. I was a very young enlisted military member in the late 70s when any loan was between 12-18% so getting a new car was tough. I did get my first boat though a new Hobie Cat 16.
I am sorry to hear about anything above MSRP.Quote:
Originally Posted by zabooda
It was only a matter of time for dealers to capitalize, completely understandable. I actually applaud dealers that didn’t price gouge during the 2021 season and honored deals as written, they could have raised prices and still sold every boat they had.
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This is what I just bought my Makai for a couple months ago. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...100092eee6.jpg
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hfarr, 10% has to be one of the better discounts I have seen in being on here for 13 years. good dealer that took care of ya...
What rock have you been living under?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy2slow
These are not Kia Rio's....these are discretionary play toys.
Go try and get a Shelby GT500 or a Bronco (not the little sport-ute) or a C8 vette or any other situation in which demand far outweighs supply.
Unless the manufacturer puts an explict agreement in place, dealers can mark up as they see fit.
The Ford GT was an example and maybe the Demon (?) where the manufacturer explicitly prevented the dealer from applying markups over msrp.
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I know on the demons the dealers had an easy work around on the ADM.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC_Hinojosa
My buddy bought one without ADM because he buys fleets of trucks and the dodge dealer knows his company well.
The funniest part was he bought it as his winter car. Put snow tires on it and pissed off the entire hellcat community and he loved every minute of it.
Said it drove great in the snow, he did the same with a first year challenger HC.
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Snow tires?!? That's awesome [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
I remember seeing a concept widebody HC Challenger with awd...I can't remember if it made it into production but I bet it'd be a blast on a snow run.
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His summer car is a Ferrari 488 and he has a couple trucks, yet still rocked the demon instead.
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go try and buy a kia rio right now for less than msrp. dealer here won't even start negotiations until you hit msrp then goes up from there. guy I know walked into the dealer and offered msrp for a 2dr forte and they laughed.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC_Hinojosa
And good luck buying pool chlorine this year.
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Since we're talking prices and how crazy the market is....
For anyone playing in crypto, this is either funny or painfully true.
I'm in both camps [emoji28]
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Bryan,Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryand
I have been meaning to reach out on Facebook as I have seen your post there so here goes.
As I know you are in Canada (so am I) there is a few things to consider here.
- First is that shopping around is not likely an option as we have limited dealers covering large territories so people suggesting to shop around will likely only give you the option to go to another manufacturer and even then your local dealer probably sells another brand as well so likely limited choices and in my shopping around other brands (ATX and AXIS) there were no deals to be had but you certainly should shop around a bit it is a big purchase.
- Next as you can see in HFarr's quote/invoice yes adding for freight, PDI etc. are standard and he is paying almost $2k US and is located within 4 hours of the plant so shipping cross boarder to Canada is not cheap (distance, customs etc.) at all plus PDI etc. on top.
- As for your price being quoted I purchased my boat on a the same type of deal (2021 for 2020 pricing) and it does have a time limit and your dealer will have a limited number of build spots available to them as well. After the time limit expires they will jack the price up it will happen this year and waiting to get a better price in this market is not really an option unless you are prepared to wait a year or multiple years (who knows) and with price increases year over year you are not really going to spend less if you wait even if the discount goes up. On top of this you have the exchange rate to contend with and that is a gamble on what it will do but if our dollar tanks back down to 60 cents then you eat any and all savings albeit make sure you clarify as you are often given the option of locking in at todays rate or paying the rate at time of crossing the boarder (when the dealer pays for the boat)
- As for MSRP if you are using the current builder it is still showing 21 prices, if you are going off your dealers quote it should be on 21 prices so the discount will really be on the bill of sale on the boat when they show the 22 prices so to compare to current MSRP is not really accurate. You are essentially locking in at the current full MSRP and saving the inflated price point when they roll over to 22's and you can read on here with people who have not received their boats yet and are being told they are going to pay for the 22 upcharge which I think is nuts if you have a deposit down but I digress.
- As for what you are being quoted after shopping around for a few years and knowing what I paid and what the market is currently I do not think you are being screwed, is it the boat show deals for in stock inventory that we saw a couple years ago ... no it is not but is it a fair price and better value than the used market right now (saw a 18 mondo in Kelowna going for $110k cad insanity!!!!)
I would be happy to discuss anything in more detail if you want to DM me feel free. This is a big purchase but times are not what they used to be and who knows when they will go back to normal and as I said by that time the normal year over year price increases will probably erode the deal if you compare todays deal to the future price let alone what the dollar is doing.
Wow guys. Reading all these recent posts makes me feel really fortunate where I live. You guys mentioned KIA's. Welllll, I just bought a 2021 AWD Kia Seltos for my daughter 3 weeks ago. Got it for over 4k less than msrp. We shopped around several dealerships, and did have one dealer add a $2,700 dealership markup. When we told him he was the only one to do that he quickly told us he would drop that, but it was too late, and his price still didn't beat any of the others who all still offered some sort of rebate.
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Now this dealership did tell me the Telluride would get absolutely no discount. MSRP holds fast on those.
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Why such high demand for Kia’s?
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For me personally, there is no big love for kia. My daughter who just graduated highschool wanted it. Sold a fantastic 2014 4 door jeep Wrangler she was driving. All I can say is "girls". I will admit that the Telluride is surprisingly nice. And pretty quick. It has a lot of features that my wife's Platinum Expedition Max had and more. The Telluride is a $50k plus vehicle though. Plus I think Kia shipped a buttload of those things to the States before all the shutdowns started, so they are more available when many other brands are not. The Seltos she got is a sporty little suv I have to admit. I do like the all wheel drive feature, and turbo is pretty quick for a little motor. But damn, its a kia! Do have to commend them on having a 10 yr/100,000 mile warranty though!
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Anyone shopped lumber in the last few weeks¿
$8 here at the box stores for a 2x4x8. Used to be $2.50.
We just removed a planter bed to build a 6x10 shed but lumber costs went from $500 to $1100 in 3 months.......
Crazy.
Sheet of osb near $50,last time I bought them $6Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
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I did some concrete work around my house this week. $150/yd for exterior was $115/ 2yrs ago. The lumber for the forms was $23ea - 2x6x12.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
Getting out of hand in a hurry.
It's nuts.
Lumber futures are trending downward though so hopefully it will back off a bit soon. I don't see it going back to pre-pandemic levels though, doesn't make sense from a business standpoint for the sawmills now that they know everyone is going to keep buying it even at absurd prices.
47 bucks for a sheet of OSB should be illegal.
Bryan,Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuds
Chuds and I bought from the same dealer, just different locations, and I totally agree with his comments.
I did a lot of research when putting my deal together, even going as far to reach out to some industry contact to find out what shipping should cost from Tennessee to Alberta.
I also used seedealercost.com as a baseline to try to figure out what the boat should "cost" the dealer in USD, and then built the price up to include currency exchange, customs, shipping, PDI and of course margin, and ultimately got a number that was only a few thousand off the dealer asking price, and we negotiated from there.
I did also place a deposit in Sept 2020, when they were offering the highest discounts for a 2021 order (multiple dealers told me this)
I honestly don’t know how I would navigate the 2022 buying season. Just thankful I was able to buy a 2021 with normal discount pricing.
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I bought my '18 with full intention buying a truck the next year ('19). Then life happened and I didn't. Then 2020 Happened and I didn't. Now '21 happened, and I'm not.Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
As far as materials go, I don't buy any lumber, but I'm highly sensitive to steel prices (we build custom machines, shameless plug: http://www.Kinemetrix.com ) . I had a project that got put on ice in early '20 just come back to life. I re-quoted and had to hit my customer for about 30% more. Steel shot up 70% in 2020, and has continued another 11% in the last 2 months. Getting parts and sub-systems (robots, actuators, controls) out of Europe and Asia is still a crapshoot. It's a crazy world to be doing business in right now!
The guys that just poured my porch had to pay $70 for 3/4” finish grade plywood sheet because that was the only plywood between 11 stores and 5 lumber yards which wasn’t purchased. 2x6x12 $28 a stick. Mud was $170/yd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holdmybeer
Multi-million dollar residential projects are months behind because of building supply shortages and house prices and rent are through the roof. My little 1200sf house just hit $600k. I’m delayed 3 mo. Because of paint shortages on getting the house painted.
I’m thinking that the better rate of return would be to buy lotto tickets rather than to invest in my house right now.
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I would ask to keep those form boards! [emoji1]
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