Moomba Max ballast question.

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Originally Posted by trayson

So was it necessary to replace the rear bags to accommodate the piggybacking? (i.e. did the stock rear bags not have enough ports to facilitate the connections?)

Also, what bags did you go with for the underseat bags?

Where did you end up putting your lead?

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Replacing the rear bags was necessary to get the front ports at the bottom of the bags to send the water forward to the underseat bags. I also moved up to 1280 and there is room for so much more in the locker but not sure it would be needed. I used the WakeMAKERS 50Lx25Wx25H bags.

The underseat bags are 550lbs each. WakeMAKERS 45Lx20Wx15H. Fits really well in my opinion.

Both WakeMAKERS bag types have1 lower front port, 2 top center ports, and 2 lower rear ports which accommodate the G6 pumps with a little hose extension and a 90 degree Flowrite connector. The second connection works perfect from the factory. This is due to the WakeMAKERS bag having ports installed closer together than the factory bags.

https://www.wakemakers.com/wakemaker...llast-bag.html

I am still trying to figure out the lead placement but I have 200 under each side seat and 100 under each bow seat (far back, under the windshield) 50 under each locker bag and 50 in the nose. I am not sure where the lead will end up.


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Originally Posted by Boonejeepin

Replacing the rear bags was necessary to get the front ports at the bottom of the bags to send the water forward to the underseat bags. I also moved up to 1280 and there is room for so much more in the locker but not sure it would be needed. I used the WakeMAKERS 50Lx25Wx25H bags.
The underseat bags are 550lbs each. WakeMAKERS 45Lx20Wx15H. Fits really well in my opinion.
Both WakeMAKERS bag types have1 lower front port, 2 top center ports, and 2 lower rear ports which accommodate the G6 pumps with a little hose extension and a 90 degree Flowrite connector. The second connection works perfect from the factory. This is due to the WakeMAKERS bag having ports installed closer together than the factory bags.
https://www.wakemakers.com/wakemaker...llast-bag.html
I am still trying to figure out the lead placement but I have 200 under each side seat and 100 under each bow seat (far back, under the windshield) 50 under each locker bag and 50 in the nose. I am not sure where the lead will end up.

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With the G6 what is your ballast fill times set at?

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Originally Posted by DFTR Josh

With the G6 what is your ballast fill times set at?

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Don’t recall exactly but If my memory is correct fill is 8:30. Not too bad for 1830 lbs.


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Don’t recall exactly but If my memory is correct fill is 8:30. Not too bad for 1830 lbs.

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Not bad at all...

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Originally Posted by Boonejeepin

Replacing the rear bags was necessary to get the front ports at the bottom of the bags to send the water forward to the underseat bags. I also moved up to 1280 and there is room for so much more in the locker but not sure it would be needed. I used the WakeMAKERS 50Lx25Wx25H bags.

The underseat bags are 550lbs each. WakeMAKERS 45Lx20Wx15H. Fits really well in my opinion.

Both WakeMAKERS bag types have1 lower front port, 2 top center ports, and 2 lower rear ports which accommodate the G6 pumps with a little hose extension and a 90 degree Flowrite connector. The second connection works perfect from the factory. This is due to the WakeMAKERS bag having ports installed closer together than the factory bags.

https://www.wakemakers.com/wakemaker...llast-bag.html

I am still trying to figure out the lead placement but I have 200 under each side seat and 100 under each bow seat (far back, under the windshield) 50 under each locker bag and 50 in the nose. I am not sure where the lead will end up.


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Very nice setup! Are you ordering the storage trays for the rear lockers? I wonder if they would still fit with the 1280s?

When I was thinking of getting a Max I was contemplating how I was going to do the ballast upgrade. 1) was exactly what you did. 2) is use 1 fill line for each bag. Vent the 550 to the 1280 so it will over flow into that bag & 1 vent with a check valve on the big bag.
I did a similar install with my Mondo (minus dual fill lines, I just T’d off the 1 fill line).


I also se that you bought from SurfRide in Mesa, AZ. How were they to work with? I pulled in a few months back to see if they had any Max’s in stock and spoke with a salesman. I got the car salesman feel from him & he didn’t know much about the Moomba line & basically told me the Max would be “about” the same price as a Mojo lol

Why did you buy from them but boat in Perris & mead?

Ever go to havasu? That’s where we keep our boat.

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Originally Posted by BrettLee3232

Very nice setup! Are you ordering the storage trays for the rear lockers? I wonder if they would still fit with the 1280s?

When I was thinking of getting a Max I was contemplating how I was going to do the ballast upgrade. 1) was exactly what you did. 2) is use 1 fill line for each bag. Vent the 550 to the 1280 so it will over flow into that bag & 1 vent with a check valve on the big bag.
I did a similar install with my Mondo (minus dual fill lines, I just T’d off the 1 fill line).


I also se that you bought from SurfRide in Mesa, AZ. How were they to work with? I pulled in a few months back to see if they had any Max’s in stock and spoke with a salesman. I got the car salesman feel from him & he didn’t know much about the Moomba line & basically told me the Max would be “about” the same price as a Mojo lol

Why did you buy from them but boat in Perris & mead?

Ever go to havasu? That’s where we keep our boat.

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I don’t have plans to order the side trays at this time but may in the future if I find a need for more storage. The center tray holds a lot. I am not sure how deep the side trays are but I suspect there would be plenty of room.

Is Germaine Marine and SurfRide the same people? If so, they were very fair with me on both new price and trade in. They also had the color that I wanted.

I have been to Havasu a few times and may go early this Spring but we normally go to Mead during the summer. With it being a bigger lake it seems like we can find more quiet spots.


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Originally Posted by Boonejeepin

I don’t have plans to order the side trays at this time but may in the future if I find a need for more storage. The center tray holds a lot. I am not sure how deep the side trays are but I suspect there would be plenty of room.

Is Germaine Marine and SurfRide the same people? If so, they were very fair with me on both new price and trade in. They also had the color that I wanted.

I have been to Havasu a few times and may go early this Spring but we normally go to Mead during the summer. With it being a bigger lake it seems like we can find more quiet spots.


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Germaine & SurfRide are the same company. Tigè wouldn’t let them sell Skiers Choice unless they re branded. 🤷🏼*♂️

Here’s a pic of of the side trays....looks to be 15-18” deep. I can’t really tell. Hopefully we see you out in Havasu, would love to see that wave in person!!

I also sent you a PM [emoji1303]

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Originally Posted by Boonejeepin

I don’t have plans to order the side trays at this time but may in the future if I find a need for more storage. The center tray holds a lot. I am not sure how deep the side trays are but I suspect there would be plenty of room.

Is Germaine Marine and SurfRide the same people? If so, they were very fair with me on both new price and trade in. They also had the color that I wanted.

I have been to Havasu a few times and may go early this Spring but we normally go to Mead during the summer. With it being a bigger lake it seems like we can find more quiet spots.


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Check your PMs [emoji1303]


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So, I just realized something that I hadn't considered before... When comparing the Max to the XLV, the stock weight of the Max without taking ballast into consideration it already 1k pounds above the XLV! Wow. That's a big difference right out of the box.

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Originally Posted by trayson

So, I just realized something that I hadn't considered before... When comparing the Max to the XLV, the stock weight of the Max without taking ballast into consideration it already 1k pounds above the XLV! Wow. That's a big difference right out of the box.

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Isn’t that awesome? :)


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Yea, I forgot about that when I bought the SA. Same thing with my old 24SSV. It's way heavier. I sure hope they bring a max to the Jam that's out on the water!

MAX owners and going to be owners this is a public service announcement... I got a chance to shoot the shit with Spencer W. from WakeMakers at the UT Boat show. I have witnessed the first render of a ballast bag upgrade where you wont have to drill through the fiberglass for the under seat extension. There was a little hint of a weight range close to 1600 lbs a side without losing the added trays if you opt for them. Not confirmed but sounds like they are working on a plug and play for the bow also.

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Originally Posted by DFTR Josh

MAX owners and going to be owners this is a public service announcement... I got a chance to shoot the shit with Spencer W. from WakeMakers at the UT Boat show. I have witnessed the first render of a ballast bag upgrade where you wont have to drill through the fiberglass for the under seat extension. There was a little hint of a weight range close to 1600 lbs a side without losing the added trays if you opt for them. Not confirmed but sounds like they are working on a plug and play for the bow also.

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Now BrettLee HAS to buy one... lmao

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Now BrettLee HAS to buy one... lmao

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Yep already told my wife why we HAVE to Buy one [emoji1303]


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Hey Boonejeepin was you using auto Wake? And what was the pitch and roll at also how fast was you running? Also the amp. Sorry for all the questions but just got a Max and am trying to dial it in. Not having a lot of luck yet. But of coarse I want the biggest, pushy wave I can get.

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Hey Boonejeepin was you using auto Wake? And what was the pitch and roll at also how fast was you running? Also the amp. Sorry for all the questions but just got a Max and am trying to dial it in. Not having a lot of luck yet. But of coarse I want the biggest, pushy wave I can get.

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I generally do not use Autowake for surfing. I love it for wakeboarding and cruising.

I don’t use it for surfing as I generally have the bags 100% full, lead in the same place, and generally a small crew (not many people moving around). I like to run at 11-12mph. Running up to ~5800lbs of ballast when the crew is light. I run with the center plate at 0 and the surf tabs at 50 when regular and 60 on the goofy side.




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Thanks for the info

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Originally Posted by Nebroncrider

Thanks for the info

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IÂ’ve been working on nebroncriderÂ’s Max setup......we have put in about 6 to 8 hours of surfing/dialing in on his Max and I must say itÂ’s been tough to get a good wave.....yesterday we had a small crew of three adults 550 lbs total and 2 kids 120 lbs total. We had all stock ballast full 3000lbs, 200 lbs lead under both rear bag, 200 lbs of lead under each side seat. A 750lb flyhigh under surfside side seat, 400 lb flyhigh under off side side seat, 400lbs of lead in the front of the bow, and 280 lbs of lead that I would move around in the cabin as needed...5600 + of ballast! Goofy wave is fair at best...regular is just ok... we were using autowakeÂ’s pitch and roll of 7.5 on pitch and 5 on the roll. I kept the factory bags full by moving lead around to maintain pitch/roll. We ran 60 to 70 on the surf tab and 15 to 40 on the center tab running at 11.5 to 12.5 mph.
We can make the wave have decent push but the length is short. Maybe 116 to 18 foot to the curl....weight the front to lengthen the wave and the push and height go away....seems like it needs more weight to sink this fat pig deeper in the water.....anyone else been fighting this????? Maybe our expectations were to high....

I’ve been trying to dial in the wave on my max all summer and it is a bit finicky. I wasted a lot of time with autowake and am getting a much better and more consistent wave without it now.

An example from a couple weeks ago: I fill up all the ballast (including and extra 400lbs on each side and 400bs of lead in the bow so 4200lbs total with a few adults in the boat). I flip the surf switch to port and set cruise, autowake OFF, and adjust the tabs to get the wave looking GOOD. I jump in and my wife takes over at the helm, the wave is great. Good push and nice length, probably the furthest behind the boat I’ve been able to ride without having to pump like crazy. I start doing some turns and board slides and notice I’m starting to fight more to stay with the boat.

I eventually fall out of it and when my wife comes back around I notice the damn platform is out of the water. Wtf!?!? When she pulled away from me the first time it was completely submerged. I yell for her to stop and I jump in the boat, expecting to see a ballast switch got bumped with a knee or something. Nope, she turned on autowake so the speed display was larger, and my solid wave disappeared right from under my feet.

For your situation I would say put at least 600lbs of lead in the bow. Last weekend with the same ballast setup we had 8 adults in the boat (2 sitting in the bow) and the wave was amazing. My wife now knows where the speed is displayed on the ballast/tab screen!

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I’ve been trying to dial in the wave on my max all summer and it is a bit finicky. I wasted a lot of time with autowake and am getting a much better and more consistent wave without it now.

An example from a couple weeks ago: I fill up all the ballast (including and extra 400lbs on each side and 400bs of lead in the bow so 4200lbs total with a few adults in the boat). I flip the surf switch to port and set cruise, autowake OFF, and adjust the tabs to get the wave looking GOOD. I jump in and my wife takes over at the helm, the wave is great. Good push and nice length, probably the furthest behind the boat I’ve been able to ride without having to pump like crazy. I start doing some turns and board slides and notice I’m starting to fight more to stay with the boat.

I eventually fall out of it and when my wife comes back around I notice the damn platform is out of the water. Wtf!?!? When she pulled away from me the first time it was completely submerged. I yell for her to stop and I jump in the boat, expecting to see a ballast switch got bumped with a knee or something. Nope, she turned on autowake so the speed display was larger, and my solid wave disappeared right from under my feet.

For your situation I would say put at least 600lbs of lead in the bow. Last weekend with the same ballast setup we had 8 adults in the boat (2 sitting in the bow) and the wave was amazing. My wife now knows where the speed is displayed on the ballast/tab screen!

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Good feedback z28ke.....thanks!

In my opinion the best wave is with the wake plate at 0 and the surftabs deployed just enough to clean up the wave (45-50 for regular, goofy 50-60).


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Originally Posted by Boonejeepin

In my opinion the best wave is with the wake plate at 0 and the surftabs deployed just enough to clean up the wave (45-50 for regular, goofy 50-60).


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Boonejeepin, how much length does your wave end up with? I can see where those settings would make the wave pushy and pretty tall, but when we tried similar settings, rideable wave length was short. You are running a 600 lb bow sack, right?

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Originally Posted by Boonejeepin

In my opinion the best wave is with the wake plate at 0 and the surftabs deployed just enough to clean up the wave (45-50 for regular, goofy 50-60).


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I completely agree *IF you have enough bow weight. From my experience with only 400 extra lbs of lead in the bow and an extra 800lbs +crew in the rear, I need about 10-15% on the wakeplate to lengthen the pocket (without increasing speed to the point it’s hard to stay with the boat) if I don’t have any adults sitting up front.

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I completely agree *IF you have enough bow weight. From my experience with only 400 extra lbs of lead in the bow and an extra 800lbs +crew in the rear, I need about 10-15% on the wakeplate to lengthen the pocket (without increasing speed to the point it’s hard to stay with the boat) if I don’t have any adults sitting up front.

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True. The Max really wants a ton of weight and naturally digs the rear into the water. It takes quite a bit of bow weight to bring the nose back down.


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Originally Posted by Boonejeepin

True. The Max really wants a ton of weight and naturally digs the rear into the water. It takes quite a bit of bow weight to bring the nose back down.


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Well we put 850lbs of ballast plus a couple of kids in the bow of nebroncriders max and along with other 5000 lbs of ballast, the thing finally decided to surf! Pretty fair on both sides...thanks for the help everyone!

Just ordered a 18' Max. Having it setup with :
- 1100s in the rear
- 950s under middle seats
- standard 1100 belly
- 400s each side in bow

Should this work? Any recommendations anyone? Could i get more weigh in the bow somehow? Do I need to?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by TheMirror

Just ordered a 18' Max. Having it setup with :
- 1100s in the rear
- 950s under middle seats
- standard 1100 belly
- 400s each side in bow

Should this work? Any recommendations anyone? Could i get more weigh in the bow somehow? Do I need to?

Thanks

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I am not sure that the 950s under the side seats or the w 400s in the bow will fill al the way but the should serve you well. You may want to consider a IBS rather than 2 bags under the bow seats but in the end weight is weight.

You may find that you need more weight in the rear(or less in the front) to get the height you want from your wake. I don’t think you will need more bow weight. But test it out. Testing is a lot of the fun.

The Max loves weigh and comes alive with lots of it.


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Interesting; why the IBS over the bags? And which IBS would you recommend?


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Interesting; why the IBS over the bags? And which IBS would you recommend?


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Whatever fits and fills the most. I have a 500 IBS. A bigger bag would likely work but I have not tested any other size. Most 400s will be too tall for under the seats, especially with the floor design in the Max since it is raised a bit. It will also bit weight closer to the bow.


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Right, makes sense. Try are fitting up everything this week. I'll make sure all fits well... Thanks for the advice


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Right, makes sense. Try are fitting up everything this week. I'll make sure all fits well... Thanks for the advice


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WakeMAKERS made their max rear package available last week...it’s 1500 lbs per side....I hope they start working on a bow bag....Max needs it! Plus a lot of lead!

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WakeMAKERS made their max rear package available last week...it’s 1500 lbs per side....I hope they start working on a bow bag....Max needs it! Plus a lot of lead!

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Interesting; I'll check it out - might be too late though :-(

What's your current max setup?



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Interesting; I'll check it out - might be too late though :-(

What's your current max setup?



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Even though we still have quite a bit of fine tuning to do, current setup is all 3 factory bags full, 200lbs lead under each back bag, fly high 750 under each side seat with 200lbs lead under each of those bags, 200 lbs lead under each side of the windshield area, 400lb bag in the center windshield walkway as far forward as we could get it, and 100 lbs of lead under the front center seat cushion. Surf left: surf tab at 55, center tab at 25 to 30, speed 12 to 12.5, drained off side rear bag down to 80% to clean up wave. Basically the same for goofy except the surf tab was 60 and center tab was 35, also drained down rear off side rear bag to about 80% to clean up the face of the wave. The Max is a little tricky to get set up. We struggled to get even a halfway decent wave until we started piling weight in the bow area..... this forum is great help!

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Originally Posted by MrWick

Even though we still have quite a bit of fine tuning to do, current setup is all 3 factory bags full, 200lbs lead under each back bag, fly high 750 under each side seat with 200lbs lead under each of those bags, 200 lbs lead under each side of the windshield area, 400lb bag in the center windshield walkway as far forward as we could get it, and 100 lbs of lead under the front center seat cushion. Surf left: surf tab at 55, center tab at 25 to 30, speed 12 to 12.5, drained off side rear bag down to 80% to clean up wave. Basically the same for goofy except the surf tab was 60 and center tab was 35, also drained down rear off side rear bag to about 80% to clean up the face of the wave. The Max is a little tricky to get set up. We struggled to get even a halfway decent wave until we started piling weight in the bow area..... this forum is great help!

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Wow...

Just so I'm clear, you have 6,200 lbs of ballast in your Max and you're running 12 -12.5 mph? First, is the 6,200 lb number really correct, and second, what RPM are you turning to push that load at 12.5 mph?

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Originally Posted by Humbucker427

Wow...

Just so I'm clear, you have 6,200 lbs of ballast in your Max and you're running 12 -12.5 mph? First, is the 6,200 lb number really correct, and second, what RPM are you turning to push that load at 12.5 mph?

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So reality is the factory advertised 3k is more like 2700 give or take. The fly high 750’s are really 640 full, we are probably getting 550 to 600 out of them, the fly high 400 is 350.....lead values are right on.... I didn’t mention the 300 of lead we moved to the surf side of what ever side we were surfing.....that is a “ close estimated “ 5650 lbs. rpms at 12mph are 3500/3600ish and 12.5 was 3700/3800 ish. This boat has the 440 with 15x13 prop. Nebroncrider has been surfing my dialed Supreme v226 with a GSA system....it has just about as good of wave as you can get without blowing 125k plus..... there is a lot of praise out there on the Max’s wave. Both he and I thought it would be a similar size wave as my boat and have push.... the potential is there I think, but it comes at the cost of lugging around a bunch of weight

The trays are deep enough to hold all the life jackets, ropes, buoys you would need and you can still access them when the ballast is full or empty. Again, I have used other boats with "subfloor" ballast, but even in those, getting items out of the rear storage is NOT easy, especially if you don't have good dividers in them.

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So reality is the factory advertised 3k is more like 2700 give or take. The fly high 750’s are really 640 full, we are probably getting 550 to 600 out of them, the fly high 400 is 350.....lead values are right on.... I didn’t mention the 300 of lead we moved to the surf side of what ever side we were surfing.....that is a “ close estimated “ 5650 lbs. rpms at 12mph are 3500/3600ish and 12.5 was 3700/3800 ish. This boat has the 440 with 15x13 prop. Nebroncrider has been surfing my dialed Supreme v226 with a GSA system....it has just about as good of wave as you can get without blowing 125k plus..... there is a lot of praise out there on the Max’s wave. Both he and I thought it would be a similar size wave as my boat and have push.... the potential is there I think, but it comes at the cost of lugging around a bunch of weight

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I would love to see some video and photos of the surf wave with 5650-6200 pounds of ballast...got some you can share with us??

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I would love to see some video and photos of the surf wave with 5650-6200 pounds of ballast...got some you can share with us??

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Nebroncrider will have vids to post up....

Pardon my ignorance, who is this nebroncrider you speak of?


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