Yeah, the maker for Supra is Outer Armor. If I did a lot of trailering, I'd definitely get an Evolution cover but you'd be looking at a fall shipment with Corey's backlog.Quote:
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Yeah, the maker for Supra is Outer Armor. If I did a lot of trailering, I'd definitely get an Evolution cover but you'd be looking at a fall shipment with Corey's backlog.Quote:
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a thousand miles I'd have the boat wrapped prior to. I did 1800 miles from idaho to wisconsin and back to utah and wrapped it each time.
I know there's not much difference in 20 miles to the ramp and 1000 miles to a new home but sure gave me peace of mind to have it all snugged up.
the cover I did from idaho to wi was a different wrap that I was careful to remove and used it as a winter storage cover for 3 years to keep the dust off it in the warehouse I stored it in.
Have you been on the 2019s? I don't know if your deal is inked yet but I would definitely urge you to go with the 19s over an 18 if you can. Resale might be a bit better, hopefully longer til the next update, and I think the Wet Sounds system, vinyl, dash, etc. are all worthwhile upgrades.Quote:
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Anyway, there is only one ratchet point (in back) on the factory covers. There's a front strap (goes through winch on bow), and rear straps on the corners of the stern. Stern ones are really important to get tight to pull tension from there to the hang tyte and ensure rain slides off and doesn't puddle.
There are strap buckles on the side, right under the tower, but those are just to connect the circumferential strap the ratchet tightens.
Ive thought about holding out for a '19. We initially thought we would be ordering a Craz at the end of the year but with the deal we got on the '18 it was hard to walk away from a bigger boat with more upgrades than we initially planned for less money. I'm planning on adding wetsounds soon. Thanks for the insight on the cover these things are all brand new so until I get mine you guys are a huge help!Quote:
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True story! Out lake limit around here is 22, so that decision was pretty much made for us haha.Quote:
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Who measures the boat?
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It only takes one jerk neighbor to search it out, some people have nothing else better to do...
Do you have any pictures of your goofy (or regular) wake? That's about the same amount of weight I plan on runningQuote:
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Don't have any on this phone yet, but this weight has been awesome. Could use even more honestly. I put most of the lead up front under the observers seat/helm.Quote:
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No need, it’s right on the registrationQuote:
Originally Posted by larry_arizona
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It just sounds funny if you imagine the water rent a cops with a 25 foot tape measure fiddlefucking around trying to measure 22 feet.
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I just looked at my registration......20’6” lol
That sounds kinda short for an SA
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Lol if I ever get an SA I’m photoshopping my reg :)Quote:
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There is a private lake near here with lots for like $3k. Tempted to buy a lot to get access but they cap at 20’6”. Photoshop skills would be essential there too
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Some places actually measure at the ramp, they use a drain plug deal that hangs down, then measure to the bow. They also have this thing called Google.. lol
Right lol. Name of the boat is right there on the side https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c7bd38948e.jpg
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Take the name off and get custom domed letters that say MONDO and stick em on the side.Quote:
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Thought id update for anyone in the future who was I curious like me about pricing.
Just got a '18 mojo demo with 8hrs original sticker price was $86,000 I picked it up for $69,700 not including tax. It would have been a different story had it been brand new. Took alot of time searching and we found something we felt we werent compromising on.
8 hours on a 2018, nice.
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Hello all, just starting out on research for a new Moomba. If we custom build, can we expect some discount from the MSRP. Just custom built a Ram Truck and was so happy with the deal and the discount associated with custom order since the dealer doesn’t have to keep the vehicle on the lot. Does boat builds work the same? I know Moombas are hot right now, but will they generally come off MSRP?
we were quoted in the 6 to 7% range for a new 2021 build. that seems to be the norm if you order new.
if you are shopping other brands you will likely find larger discounts off an inflated msrp so be sure to not shop discounts but rather end price.
leftovers can have a larger discount BUT those will be almost impossible to find this year unless you don't care about color nor options. not a lot out there so dealers don't have to discount much yet.
if you are doing new, get a deposit sooner than later. spots are going fast.
We just got like 7% off MSRP on our 2021Quote:
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I'm looking to buy a used Supra/Moomba from dealer. What discounts are any of you seeing?
It's tough to negotiate with high demand.
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That depends on how much inventory your dealer is sitting on.Quote:
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Mine has a very limited few, so no discount.
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I would expect zero discount on used boats right now, some go above asking if you get in a bidding war.Quote:
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That's the problem zero inventory, and this is a 100k plus used boat.Quote:
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Im being told they have people looking at it everyday, they haven't even posted it.
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If you want a boat in today's market you're gonna have to pony up, there won't be any haggling.Quote:
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Not to be overly pessimistic but if you hypothetically entertained the very real possibility that the convergence of flu & COVID this fall and winter creates the next big wave...big enough for more shutdowns. It's not out of the realm of possibility new production could be further hampered.
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just got back from our dealer and they had 3 or 4 used Supras on the floor. All were well north of $100K. I have no idea if they will negotiate but if you are looking for a used Supra you could call Marine Products.
Thanks I will check them out. I demoed a 2020 Axis T23 last night, yes the interior is dreadful and yes the engine sounds like it's being tortured but boy what a wake!Quote:
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When you were driving it with a surf wake, what did you think of the bow rise and the forward visibility?Quote:
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Bow rise was significant but I'm 6.2 so I didn't find it that bad for visibility.Quote:
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I rode in an Axis 22 a few years ago and I remember the bow rise, man, you just about had to stand to see forward. Do those boats have bow sacks?
They do have bow sacks if the dealer or end user puts it in. But even then, with the wedge, bow rise is huge!! I have to stand to see in a friends boat and fight the wheel the entire time, it isn't very much fun to drive.Quote:
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I've always found it so fascinating that there is such a plethora of consumer friendly purchase resources for automobile buying available, but yet, it remains somewhat taboo to talk about boat pricing. A dealer won't sell you a boat unless it is advantageous to him/her in some regard. That could be creating floor space, profit, creating brand loyalty, future repair and service work, etc... I wish I knew exactly what people were buying their Moombas for. That would give me a leverage as a noob when trying to negotiate a fair deal with my dealer. I know that every deal is different, and what somewhat can negotiate in September in Tennessee on a purple and green boat has no bearing on what I can negotiate in Utah in May. Your good deal doesn't make you a great negotiator, it makes you a benefactor of good timing and circumstances. That being said, information is healthy and I wish everyone would be more transparent in what they paid before TTL. It would also be great to know what people are getting from the "pro shops" and extra bones getting tossed their way to seal the deal. If anything it gives a new buyer a little more confidence when they enter a showroom. For most, it's the second biggest purchase of their lives, and it can be intimidating.
That being said.....I do have two perspectives.
I hear time and time again, that the entry level brands have slim margins and therefore relatively low % discounts off list price. I also hear people say that seedealercost.com is a good tool to gauge dealer invoice and provide at least a baseline from which to start. Well, when I go to seedealercost and do the simple math, it appears that the entry level brands (Axis, Moomba,MC NXT, even MB) have virtually the same percentage mark ups as any other premium brand. The difference between list and invoice (according to seedealercost) on 2020 Moombas is 22%. Either the website is woefully inaccurate or the notion that entry level brands have razor thin margins is a dealer invented tool to maximize profits. Don't get me wrong, the dealer owns the boat and reserves the right to sell it for whatever they want, but either the margin is 22% (before freight, dealer prep, and doc fee mind you) or it isn't. I fully understand that a constant percent of less money equals less profit, so a dealer will make more money on a very high priced boat even if it has a lower percentile discount. Maybe it's just semantics, but I would prefer the dealer say "we just we need to make more money on this boat", then to act like the margins are different from the other boats they sell. The way they pitch it, they act like a 15% discount would be sold at a loss. It wouldn't. It would be at a 7% profit plus ancillary fees. Thats 7 grand on a 100k boat...with doc and prep...probably 8 grand. Is that enough profit when you only have 50 boats to sell in a year? Probably not, but as a buyer, it's at least worth knowing.
The other thing I found interesting is that when I spoke to my Centurion dealer about a Supreme I am looking at, he mentioned that they did studies which indicate that the average customer who purchases a boat there, on average, ends up buying 2.7 boats from them throughout the course of their lives. I can almost guarantee you that boats 2 to 2.7 lol are a lot more expensive than boat 1. Like with pickups, people are fiercely brand loyal with boats and boat dealers. He didn't just want to sell me a Supreme. He wanted to sell me a Supreme, then a Centurion, then another Centurion with 30 of the bow cut off apparently :). New, first time, buyers should always express interest in the premium lines as part of tactic in negotiating their entry level brand. Just my 2 cents.
Anyway, sorry for the long first post. I'm quarantined for the second time in two months because of family members and I'm scared I'm going to be the first human to actually finish Netflix.
Just curious. How much profit do you think a dealer should make?Quote:
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6-7% seems to be the going discount on Moombas.
The thing you may not realize is that Skier’s Choice dealer network is territorial, everyone stays in their territory and won’t poach sales from another dealers territory.
Also, SC only builds so many boats per year.
Both of these facts makes the marketing model vastly different than automotive dealers. Auto dealers will sell to anyone and most cars and trucks have plenty of supply.
At the end of the day, if you pass on what you feel is the dealer not giving you a big enough discount, there is another buyer who will buy it and think it is enough.
The boat game is just different than automotive.
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Sure..great points. To answer your question...as much as they can, but certainly enough to make it beneficial as opposed to not selling the boat. I don't work for free and I surely don't expect the women and men at dealerships to either. Plus I want them to see me as a worthwhile investment when I come in with after sale issues. I wasn't complaining, just making an observation on the common theme about "margin" that I hear pertaining to entry level boats. I fully get that your per unit revenue has to be MUCH higher than an auto dealership which sells more units in a week than a boat dealership does in a year.Quote:
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Although the boat game is indeed different than the auto industry, I don't think it necessarily needs to be with regards to pricing transparency, that's all I'm saying. I'd trade away a million ridiculously inflated list prices to see one true invoice price that includes regional and seasonal incentives. That way I feel more comfortable negotiating up from that price, ensuring that I feel like I was treated with integrity, while also ensuring that my sales associate and dealership were properly compensated for their time and skillset.
If you are shopping moomba, expect 6-8% off MSRP, negotiate your first 20 hour service as it’s required and a $400-$600 bill, most dealers throw in ropes, anchor and life jacket kit. You probably can expect a 20% discount for a year on gear and boards if they have a pro shop.
You should be able to get whatever boat show incentives for this year too, no idea if there will be any this year.
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It really boils down to supply and demand. Boats are extremely hot right now, I recently read that boat loans are up 355% compared to 2019.
Demand is sky high, Skier’s choice has limited supply, build slots filling fast if you want to custom build, it’s pretty awesome building your own boat that fits your family.
I would say Malibu/Axis is your best bet for a deal because they have MUCH higher volume.
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Part of the pricing and people being somewhat hush hush is that you're not negotiating and buying a honda civic, more like a Mercedes or bmw even for "budget" boats and upwards. See dealer cost is an ok tool, but it doesn't account for a lot of variables. In the end, don't "expect" a discount off msrp, but go in, build a relationship with your dealer and work a deal you feel comfortable with. 2021 build spots are filling fast, lower inventory drives higher demand and prices as well. Of course some people will get a "bro" deal, others will pay more, just as with anything else.
There is really zero transparency with regards to pricing...it really comes down to supply and demand. When the demand is low and dealers have boats sitting on their lots for months and months the prices drop. When boats are sold before they hit the lots or shortly thereafter then you pay MSRP or closer to it.
There are "bro-deals" in the boating industry and how those "bro-deals" are ascertained is something that even after 10 years of boating I have yet to figure out completely. For example I have bought 3 boats, 1 Mojo, 1 Supra SA and 1 Supra SL from the same dealer. I have also sent at least 5 other people to them that have bought boats from them. I have purchased all of my pro shop boards, life jackets, One Wheels, etc from them and all servicing done there...you would think that I would get a "bro-deal" over a 1st-time buyer that has never stepped foot into the dealership before.
I could be totally off-base but I assumed the bro deal was for the guys that flip their boat every single year. Rance for example...Quote:
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