My '08 had the cable for the tranny, but not the throttle.Quote:
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My '08 had the cable for the tranny, but not the throttle.Quote:
Originally Posted by mmandley
from 08 forward, Moombas are DBW.
from 13 forward, the swivel seat is standard in the LSV & Mojo, but not Outback or Outback V.
mike I've not yet been in an SA but by the pictures I've seen the bow looks fairly flat as far as seatig goes across the front allowing two or three adults to sit up there facing back comfortably and the cup holders are off to the side, no right under your butt.Quote:
Originally Posted by mmandley
The mojo angles in slightly at the front and would funnel 2 or 3 people on top of each other, and you would be sitting on a hole in the seat cushions where a cup holder is
This may not sound like a big deal I some but it is a huge deal breaker to me. The whole purpose of a pickle fork IMO is to allow two or three adults to sit up front facing the rear comfortably and the Mojo doesn't seem like it accomplishes this. MC has it right, the seat cushion backs in the front are molded to fit three individual bodies in, not saying moomba should go to that mug detail but at least make it flat across there
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WOW huh..You lost me at MC....Quote:
Originally Posted by rdlangston13
I sat in the front of the Mojo and the SA, the space is simular trust me on that. Sure the SA is slightly larger but thats the meaning of simular..Not exact but close.
The Mojo i was in had the center cusion just the same as the SA so no hanging your arse off the seats.
Yes the SA had cup holders on the sides but most boats dont they are in the walkway at the base of the center seat.
I frankly done give a rats tail about the bow space in a boat. I thought i did when buying the LSV but hardly ever does anyone sit up there when we are under way. They sit there to relax when idle and floating.
Truthfully id rather see SC move to the windshield forward design and give the extra room in the cabin.
I agree completely. Bow space is nice for the ladies but I never sit in the bow.Quote:
Originally Posted by mmandley
Unless...... I am acting as human ballast for Berg.
Here is what I am talking about. And I do not typically sit in the bow either but we do frequently have people who like to sit up there while people ride. Especially Heidi if there is like 4 guys and only two girls, the girls like to go up front and hang out. Whats the point in a pickle fork if I cannot fit anymore people up front facing rewards comfortable than I can in my LSV with a traditional bow?
http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/...ba-mojo-25.jpg
http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/...edownload7.jpg
another perspective of what I am talking about...
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http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/...sainterior.jpg
Not to hijack, but for 2013 it appears they have moved the Mojo cup holders to the side.
That's customer service, David had a concern about the cup holders and they fixed it within a day wow. Just joking, but I see his point and love the fix. I had the concern about the anchor pullers (kids) stepping in the hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcdye
Your not hijacking mcdye.
I see your point Dave, but the 2013 Model has address part of those problems. This is why i was having a hard time following you because the 13 i was in looks like this.
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/u...y/DSC_0250.jpg
Well that is a WHOLE lot better! I have not seen a 2013 yet I guess but that's a huge improvement! Now they just need to flatten the backrest out in the front a tad more and I'll put in my order!
Ha I wish (about being able to put in an order)
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And the boatvan was born!Quote:
Originally Posted by mmandley
Why are there indents on either side of the bow on top of the fiberglass
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Flat surface to step on when boarding from the bow from an elevated surface such as a dock or pier
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Gotcha.should have sea dek or non slip something..Quote:
Originally Posted by rdlangston13
You can order a "non slip" pkg that puts material there, under the helm and along the gunwales. There may be another spot where it goes, but I can't remember.
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Hi guys...new to the forum, but in the process of negotiating for a 2013 Mojo and snooping for more info. REALLY enjoyed reading the thorough write up. Thanks for that. I'm excided to hear about the surfing possibilities with the Mojo, but as that won't be our primary activity, I've one note to pass on about the cross-over a.k.a family boat concept...won't mean diddly doo if you only surf, but some of you may find this useful:
My wife and I slalom ski really hard at dawn and dusk. (not on a course...we have buddies on a private ski lake for that. :->) The rest of the time we're on our hydrofoils hitting big air inverts. Naturally the wake requirements for these two things are always diametrically opposed. We wanted a bigger boat for hydrofoiling and wakeboaring, but weren't willing to sacrifice the slalom wake we were getting from our 2005 Moomba Outback (direct drive). I've tried skiing behind several larger V-drives, including a Supra 21V recently and didn't like it at all...no matter what we tried to make the wake softer and smaller, it sucked.
Enter the Mojo. My boat shop guy (also a Supra/Moomba rep) as been hearning me whine about this dilema for 8 years. Then late this summer he said..."hey, bring your skis over and try this new boat. I think you might like it." When he showed it to me and told me it was 22.5' (and looks like 25' on the trailer!) I litterally laughed. Surely he was yanking my chain!
He wasn't. We motored over to a quite, glassy cove, I jumped in, the line drew taught, the engine picked up and out I popped. Smooth, fast, and easy. (the 345hp upgrade "surf" engine works.) "OK, so far so good" I thought, but let's see about that wake." We were running 34mph, 15 off, zero ballast, plate down, and I'm 6'5", 200lbs. I pulled out wide left...lined up, then dug in hard and........foof foof. It was so smooth and soft I couldn't believe it. Back and forth, again and again. Amazingly it has a SUPER nice slalom wake using that setup. My wife (5'5" 125), a good recreational skier who's not a hard charger, had an equally enjoyable experience on her ski.
I spoke with the Moomba dealer up in Connecticut who is a hard core slalom skier and he told me he and his ski buds used the Mojo all summer and thought the best wake was actually at 28-off. Hard to believe, but there ya go.
Good surf wake, good foil/board wake, good slalom wake, good size, good price. What's not to like.
Oh, and I LOOOVE the nose. Totally bad a$$. :-)
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Awesome Slingo, and welcome to the forum. This forum absolutly needs more Mojo input.
I have been telling the SC reps, and upper people since last summer myself the Mojo is getting all the wrong press, its getting none really LOL. There isnt 1 single Mojo owner in the PNW. AWS is the only SC dealer in OR and WA almost all of 2012 and not a single Mojo was sold up here.
I really hope and expect as the new year comes the Mojo owners will step it up and talk more about there boats, the likes and what ever dislikes they might have. I for one spent a few hours in the Mojo and my thoughts were turned 180 on the boat for the better. Just all the press and things i have herd where weak on this boat.
I really love to hear people who own them, or rode behind them expressing there thoughts.
I think the Mojo has a lot to offer people, just most people dont know it.
I don't think our dealer sold the yellow mojo they had from the boat show last spring. hate to say it, but the rep there is pushing axis pretty hard over moomba/supra. guessing since he's a salesman, the axis must have a better pay schedule.
guessing it'll get even worse as they just signed on as the cc dealer. now they sell skiers, bu/axis and cc. seems like some real territory crossing to me..
Same story as AWS they had to seperate the boats to 2 different locations.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandm
Beaverton Store sells SC boats, and Nautique
Oregon City Store sells Malibu Axis and the used boats
I think the big problem is actaually the Loan terms.
Up to 50K you can only pull so many month loan on the boat 144 month is what i recall
After 50K you can add up to 180 month loan.
This makes it so much easier to put people in 70 and 80K boats for what a 45-50K boat costs.
So being the normal consumer you think humm..for 500 a month i could get a Moomba thats really nice and has all the basic stuff i really need.
Or i can get a completly Blinged out Malibu and roll on the lake like im a baller for 525 a month..I choose Baller boat.
Now you go look at the Used boats for sale and you see 100+ Malibu's compared to the SC boats, this is because they dont hold any value unlike a SC boat does. But the average consumer doesnt think about this. This is the same problem we have with cars and most people being upside down in them and buying them on 6 and 7 year loans now.
This is the same thing that happened to the housing market, people kept refi the home to buy more stuff and when the market crashed they lost everything in the house because its worth 100K less but they have the double mortgage on it.
It's sad but it usually takes a couple of years before people figure out that the Jones's next door they are trying to keep up with haven't made a mortgage payment in 3 years. After they lose their house the picture gets a little clearer.
I can see some of what is being said here but also want to add a little.
Mojo definitely needs some more publicity but it comes with time. They also released it at the same time as a ton of other manufacturers rolled out their new models, even its big brother rolled out the SA which dwarfed some of the attention.
Numbers can definitely play into peoples decisions but not to the extent being talked about, at least in my opinion. 50k loan for 12 years is not a $25 difference from 75k at 15 years. It's a $130 difference monthly assuming a 5% interest. I also think Malibu holds its value just as well as or better than SC. People aren't comparing a Moomba to a Malibu, at least in my opinion.
I think the mentioning of the term and new boat is spot on like Kane mentioned. If you are financing a brand new boat for 12 to 15 years with little down you better have some magic dust to keep the boat from depreciating faster than your loan. I think that goes across the board for all manufacturers, though.
If I was SC, I'd be looking into sandm's comments.
I was just making the point that people look at others and think, "Hey, if he can afford it I should certainly be able to." But, they don't see the whole picture. Some guys have built up equity over years of buying what they could afford, making payments, doing maintenance/improvements, selling right and buying right, etc. and have a boat that's paid for or a manageable payment on a late model one. Others are losing everything but you can't tell by looking.
My wife knows a lady driving a new SUV- her husband drives an expensive new car and they bought their kid a car--- the kid just turned 15. They take vacations all the time. They pay for expensive cheer/gymnastics lessons for their daughter. They wear the latest fashions. They live in fear of the day the knock on the door comes because they are $150k upside down in their house and haven't make a mortgage payment in over 2 years. They'll probably lose their house, file bankruptcy, maybe get divorced along the way. People wonder how they can afford all their stuff but the truth is they can't. But, tell that to the kids that see the daughter wearing all the right clothes. She's popular and has plenty of mall money. My kids' think their own parents are dumb compared to the rich Jones's. Oh well.
Then they let a few years pass and do it all over again. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kaneboats
Isn't our system great!!!!:-|Quote:
Originally Posted by KG's Supra24
For the record wasn't trying to compare SC and Malibu exactly. Just my dealerships them both.Quote:
Originally Posted by KG's Supra24
My reference to tugboat loan money is from what was offered when I went to evening with the stars.
My last boat loan was just under 400 a month.
Looking to pull my next boat loan at apx 35% more then my last boat I expect my loan to about 525.
Knowing what my next boat costs already unknowing the deal I was offered to buy a Malibu my payment would be 550 a month. The differences was 12 year loan vs a 20 year loan.
That was the point I was trying to make.
I also think if you research the Malibu resale value vs Moomba or Supra you will see the Malibu drops more in value the first couple years. I think this is the same reason MC drops in value. There is a lot more mark up in those boats then SC boats.
For the record wasn't trying to compare SC and Malibu exactly. Just my dealership sells them both.Quote:
Originally Posted by KG's Supra24
My reference to the loan money is from what was offered when I went to evening with the stars.
My last boat loan was just under 400 a month.
Looking to pull my next boat loan at apx 35% more then my last boat I expect my loan to about 525.
Knowing what my next boat costs already and knowing the deal I was offered to buy a Malibu my payment would be 550 a month. The differences was 12 year loan vs a 20 year loan.
That was the point I was trying to make.
I also think if you research the Malibu resale value vs Moomba or Supra you will see the Malibu drops more in value the first couple years. I think this is the same reason MC drops in value. There is a lot more mark up in those boats then SC boats.
If they are loaning 20 years on a wakeboat i bet i buy my next boat from the same place i got mine , the bank.
Yea i can see the big 3 taking a bigger hit initially. In the used market, i feel bu holds a little stronger value. When you were shopping both, was one coming further off msrp than the other?
Didn't mean any hard feelings mike.
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suffering thru this myselfQuote:
Originally Posted by kaneboats
None taken bro, just didnt want to start a bashing thread LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by KG's Supra24
Yes both were comming off the MSRP about the same amount. I joking said to the Sales Manager when he asked if i considered the 23 LSV they had, i said sure i love the boat and the space, but its not really a surf hull and i dont think i want to invest 80K in a boat right now.
Then thats when he ran the numbers, i laughed saying uhh yea i dont want a 20 year loan eigher.
I agree with your point on Mojo comming out when other boat models were comming out last year, i dont really say i see the SA comming out as an issue though because it was a year later.
The Mojo was released in 11 for the 12 model year. I just dont see it being pushed to much. I think its more the fact that its easier to sell a 20 OBV to a new buyer, or the LSV to the family. Its easier on the wallet and doesnt require as large a tow vechicle.
The Mojo is huge looking when its on its trailer, and easily 10-15K more and when you reach that magical 65-75K boat range then Supra and Malibu comes into play.
This is the same reason we ended up in the LSV vs the OBV, other then the differences in the boat it was initially the price. The 2 were only 5K apart and so we said what the hell, 5K is only a couple bucks a month on the loan lets get the bigger model
I see this as a big problem with the Mojo and its competitors in the same price point, they are well known brands with long history's. Just makes people feel better when paying that monthly note that they got a Big Brand name.
This is where SC really has to step up the advertising of the Mojo and the dealers need to step up and TALK this boat up and share it more.
You walk into the Malibu dealer or the MC dealer or their areas at the boat show, they arnt telling me and showing me all about the boat, they say Its a Malibu, or a MC what else is there? You arnt worth the turd in the dirt if you dont have this brand.
As Kane and Moombadaze said, you only know half the picture most of the times, the kids only see stuff. We all did that once upon a time, or most of us.
Yes the days of $100K boats and a 20 year loan are done for me. Really like the 5 year plan and pay it off, then Ill upgrade. Tired of paying the bank. In 4 years I hope to have a new to me 2013 or 2014 Mojo or LSV.
I think some of the justification for boat $$ comes from location and season. It would be really tough to justify a $100k boat up here where the season is short. Even $80k. $60k? Even if I were walking down the street with $$ falling out of my pockets, that's a big chunk of change to sit idle (taunting you) 8-9 months of the year.
If wakeboat prices rely on 20 year terms ... bubble bubble bubble pop. Would be interesting to know how much of the new market was purchased with 15-20 year loans ... even more interesting if it was broken down by manufacturer.
New owners need to start the Mojo advertising .... pics!!!!
I love the Mojo, its a great wake boat and amazing surf boat but I find it really hard to believe that someone is touting it as a good Slalom boat. I skied it for the first time this past summer and was going wake to wake (in the air) on the slalom ski when cutting across. I don't have a lot to compare it too, but the other skiers with 20 plus years experience said the wake was huge for slalom and I agree. I mean of course you can ski it but it wasn't what i would call ideal. But really, isn't there a ton of crossover boats already and isn't the Mojo geared at Wake/Surf?
I think you need to empty the ballast. :p
Empty the ballast? Ok, let's just agree that the Mojo is the best surf boat made by Moomba and the worst slalom boat ever made by Moomba. I understand promoting the boat you own and such but I would not agree that the mojo is a "great" crossover and is designed for skiing. That's more what the LSV and specifically the Outback are for. Just my opinion.
Nope, not going to agree. The XLV was the worst. While the Mojo was not designed as a slalom boat, I have had a high-level slalom skier behind a Mojo who stated it was "decent" for recreational skiing. Setup was zero ballast, crew towards/in bow and wakeplate 100% down at 34 mph.Quote:
Originally Posted by 501
When you next see the sun & the ice off your lake, run Gisepi's like above and see what you think.
Wolfeman, You may be correct, my old XLV had a bad Slalom wake too, but i considered it to be the right on par with the Mojo, no better no worse. I should have said "currently" instead of "ever". So we can agree it's the worst slalom wake of all the current Moombas, but the best Surf Wave. here are some pics at Slalom speed.
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I can't say what most people do, but I can say what I did. I would not consider a boat I had to finance for a long period of time. I have a monthly payment on my slip at the marina, my cabin at the lake, and don't even get me started on the hundreds of dollars every month from May through September that go into the fuel tank. Last thing I wanted was to have a monthly payment on top of all that. I bought a used 2001 Moomba LS in 2007 because it was a good, well-cared for used boat that had low hours and I could afford it without a lengthy loan. It served me well. I just bought a brand new boat at the end of this summer. I shopped every brand I could get my hands on to compare, and price was very much a consideration. Value was an even bigger consideration. I shopped and compared all brands before deciding I felt happy buying new in the lower price segment. I strongly considered the Mojo and think it packs a lot of value. But the price was high enough I was surprised to find that it did have some competition from other brands, too. IMO, to stay relevant in the market, SC needs to keep making good products like the Mojo and delivering them at a price where it only makes too much sense to ignore the extra bling on the MC / Nautiques. The main thing it needs to do is what it has been doing, and be careful of price creep that starts to put it into the realm of more expensive boats. When you get up around $60k there are lots of nice wakeboats you can buy if you can negotiate a little. At least that's what I found.
So what did you buy?Quote:
Originally Posted by volfo