Tow Vehicle

[KG's Supra24]

Forum has been dead lately. Here is an attempt to get something going ....


Poll: What make is your primary towing vehicle?


It looks like a similar thread was done in 2007 and the last posted results were ....

Chevy/GMC - 11
Ford - 11
Dodge/Jeep - 9
Toyota - 5
Mercedes - 2
Nissan - 2
Honda - 1
Saturn - 1


We switched from GM to Ford about a year ago.

Pics and discussions on different vehicle topics more than welcome!

[RC_Hinojosa]

Forum has been dead lately. Here is an attempt to get something going ....


Poll: What make is your primary towing vehicle?


It looks like a similar thread was done in 2007 and the last posted results were ....

Chevy/GMC - 11
Ford - 11
Dodge/Jeep - 9
Toyota - 5
Mercedes - 2
Nissan - 2
Honda - 1
Saturn - 1


We switched from GM to Ford about a year ago.

Pics and discussions on different vehicle topics more than welcome!Not here to start a pissing match but all of my trucks have been Ford. '96 F-150 single cab long bed, '99 F-150 extended cab flareside, '03 F-250 crew cab and my current '13 F-250 crew cab.

The Mrs. is getting an SUV this year so I'll be up at bat next year for a new #AlumiDuty [emoji41]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180125/a34aaa83ce30755abcb3689dd4a19f0d.jpg

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[rdlangston13]

I have a 2006 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi that up until last year was the primary tow vehicle. We bought a 2015 Ford Expedition in the fall of 2015 and that starting in 2016 and still currently is. Tows much better than the ram. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180125/45f9bc2d85c90215e7834463a08b1888.jpg


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[stevemarich]

My tiny little ram is all we usehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180125/c3bbe53879d43c59ef91f9fbb40a1ba6.jpg

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[KG's Supra24]

my current '13 F-250 crew cab.



What is the wheel/tire size combo? I seem to have way more wheel well gap with my 20/35 setup.

[KG's Supra24]

Checked tapatalk and I guess you can't see the voting poll or the poll results .... lame.

At 16 votes the running total is as follows:

GM - 3
Ford - 8
Ram/Jeep - 3
Toyota - 1
Nissan - 1

..... guess I'll post a pic so we can get back on track with the correct make :o Ha

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[RC_Hinojosa]

What is the wheel/tire size combo? I seem to have way more wheel well gap with my 20/35 setup.Those are 35s on 20s, no lift. Factory suspension and a lil' fender well trimming [emoji6]

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[KG's Supra24]

Those are 35s on 20s, no lift. Factory suspension and a lil' fender well trimming [emoji6]

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Well hell I would have told you my setup was the same recipe ... Looks diff though. I like how you don't have as much gap as mine.

[KnoxMojo]

We only tow twice a year, the Wife's Porsche Cayenne does fine for short distances. Before living at the lake, I had an F250 7.3l diesel.

[98outback]

Checked tapatalk and I guess you can't see the voting poll or the poll results .... lame.

At 16 votes the running total is as follows:

GM - 3
Ford - 8
Ram/Jeep - 3
Toyota - 1
Nissan - 1

..... guess I'll post a pic so we can get back on track with the correct make :o Ha

https://i.imgur.com/pABU9jA.jpg

What Bimini top is that?

[KG's Supra24]

What Bimini top is that?Z5

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[KG's Supra24]

For you tapatalk folks ....

At 26 votes the running total is as follows:

GM - 7
Ford - 11
Ram/Jeep - 4
Toyota - 1
Nissan - 2
Other - 1

[kaneboats]

Bowties! Been pretty happy with the Suburbans over the years. Started with 6 kids but now usually only 4 with us when we head out. Still, nice and comfy and plenty of room.

[Boonejeepin]

2017 Ram 3500 Dually 4x4 with the Aisin trans. It gets the job done. :)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180127/ecba2578241848a46c0088122d91dd4a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180127/620d283298281368934a987a4eb02133.jpg


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[Shoebox]

I've been a Ford guy all my life, but my last 2 trucks have been Chevy. When I was first looking for a used mid 2000s diesel crew cab, the only options were Ford and Chevy, and the Ford 6.0 was a piece of crap. Ended up with a 2004 Duramax. When I upgraded 2 years ago, the Ford dealer couldn't match Dave Smith GM pricing, so stayed with Chevy. 2015 Chevy 3500 LTZ. Love the truck. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180127/715e846a0b58235fa7f909e1aeda5afc.jpg

[Surf Wagon]

GMC

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CUMMINS ALL THE WAY!!! I bought this truck new in 2012 and can't wait to add an additional to the driveway.

[Broke Pilot]

Yep, can't beat these 4th gen Cummins!

[smorris7]

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Ram 3500


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[flynnva]

2009 Chevrolet 2500HD Duramax

[beat taco]

Ford!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180128/bd051aa6692c56a462c0b5f60ef0db07.jpg

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[KG's Supra24]

For you tapatalk folks ....

At 37 votes the running total is as follows:

GM - 13
Ford - 13
Ram/Jeep - 7
Toyota - 1
Nissan - 2
Other - 1

[Broke Pilot]

Maybe I missed it, what was the one 'other'? Can't believe Ram is t making a better showing. Lol
I can't say much though since I used to also tow with my '14 Chevy 1500 single cab. That thing towed the old 24SSV like a beast, but it was a pain to live with. It pretty much ruined the newer Chevy trucks for me. Here lately my brother and I have been talking about him getting a new truck, he's got a 14 Chevy as well. He's thinking he's gonna go Ford. It'll be the first ever in the family...

[Shoebox]

Maybe I missed it, what was the one 'other'? Can't believe Ram is t making a better showing. Lol
I can't say much though since I used to also tow with my '14 Chevy 1500 single cab. That thing towed the old 24SSV like a beast, but it was a pain to live with. It pretty much ruined the newer Chevy trucks for me. Here lately my brother and I have been talking about him getting a new truck, he's got a 14 Chevy as well. He's thinking he's gonna go Ford. It'll be the first ever in the family...What was wrong with your Chevy?

[Darter]

Add subaru to the list... https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180128/19ec4277e303b216360e859f6a6aa1dc.jpg

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[Broke Pilot]

It's probly just trivial stuff to the normal person, but to me as a mechanic and off-road 'enthusiast', it was just an annoying truck.
The grease/moly paint they use on the frame for rust proofing is first and foremost the dumbest thing I've ever seen. It's infuriating to do any work under the truck. You come out covered in that crap and it sticks to everything for months. Can't wash it off for obvious reasons. Me n my brother were covered in the stuff after we finished the lift.
The front suspension was another odd item. It's pretty poorly designed with the solid mounted top coilovers. Nothing pivots in the same direction on that front end, which makes it ride funny. (Maybe just me...)
The electrical side of things in the truck was hard to deal with if you want to put a nice stereo in. The 8" mylink was nice, but it controlled the entire truck. So it couldn't be replaced easily. All the door chimes and seat belt chimes run through the stereo and out the speakers. If you want to amplify the highs, you get door chimes at 60 watts. Plus, there was no full range signal to some of the speakers. So you had to sum them together, which also summed, you guessed it, the door chimes!
But on top of all that, the recalls were killing me, and then the dealerships not doing the work correctly really annoyed me. A simple computer flash turned into replacing the steering column when I left the lot and lost power steering.

So, that's why I went back to Dodge/Ram. Most stuff is still mechanical and easy to work on with out an engineering degree. Plus, I missed having an oil burner. Lol

[sandm]

I drove all 3 of the american boys when selecting last year. requirements were 1-2 years old, low miles and v8 as I don't tow enough to justify a diesel nor could I afford it and must have the basic tow package.
my overall opinions were:
'16 ram was the best contender if all I wanted to do was tow. it tached 500rpm's higher than ford/chevy on the highway at 70 and felt like it was better set up to tow but it felt like the "budget" choice of the 3 inside.
'16 ford was the one I went in wanting. drove the 5.0 not eco. it had the coolest features for backing a trailer for the novice. I couldn't get over the oversize grab handles on the A pillars that felt like they were in the way.
'16 chevy is what I brought home. power felt on-par with the ford but the dealbreaker was the more compliant ride on rough wisconsin roads day in and day out. it flat out rode better than the other 2 for a truck.

having had it for a year now i am consistently getting 18-19mpg's daily on my Fuel Buddy app(not the bs computer on board) and towing the boat from Wi to Ut averaged 9.5 which is a couple better than my old '00 f-150 triton.

I know that all make great rides and tons of arguments for each exist. great to live in america and have the choice :)

[Broke Pilot]

Yea, the 5.7 Hemi can't be beat for gas towing, especially the newer ones with that Mercedes built 8spd. That thing is a beast. Unfortunately they're still eating the camshafts around 60-80k miles and the exhaust manifold bolts are still shearing off in the block. Our old '10 1500 Hemi truck was a great one, but the camshaft replacement was about my limit with that truck. Took me 2 days of just tearing crap off the motor to get in to it.
Sandm... you really liked the ride better in the Chevy? The coil spring rear in the Rams is the tits IMO, especially if you're not towing. You're one of the first I've heard that liked the Chevy ride better! Lol
The newer 5.3L in the chevys is a great motor. Anything LS based is the best to live with every day, the power delivery is just so nice. They're hard to kill. It's the newer version of the old school 350. The ram trucks are just set on kill 24/7 lol

[Shoebox]

It's probly just trivial stuff to the normal person, but to me as a mechanic and off-road 'enthusiast', it was just an annoying truck.
The grease/moly paint they use on the frame for rust proofing is first and foremost the dumbest thing I've ever seen. It's infuriating to do any work under the truck. You come out covered in that crap and it sticks to everything for months. Can't wash it off for obvious reasons. Me n my brother were covered in the stuff after we finished the lift.
The front suspension was another odd item. It's pretty poorly designed with the solid mounted top coilovers. Nothing pivots in the same direction on that front end, which makes it ride funny. (Maybe just me...)
The electrical side of things in the truck was hard to deal with if you want to put a nice stereo in. The 8" mylink was nice, but it controlled the entire truck. So it couldn't be replaced easily. All the door chimes and seat belt chimes run through the stereo and out the speakers. If you want to amplify the highs, you get door chimes at 60 watts. Plus, there was no full range signal to some of the speakers. So you had to sum them together, which also summed, you guessed it, the door chimes!
But on top of all that, the recalls were killing me, and then the dealerships not doing the work correctly really annoyed me. A simple computer flash turned into replacing the steering column when I left the lot and lost power steering.

So, that's why I went back to Dodge/Ram. Most stuff is still mechanical and easy to work on with out an engineering degree. Plus, I missed having an oil burner. LolYeah the electrical stuff is a definite pain in the ass on the GM stuff. The day I start having electrical gremlins is the day I trade in on a Ford. I've only had one minor recall so far in 2 years, and it's been rock solid reliable.

I have the 1 ton, so the front suspension is torsion bar. The Chevy HD trucks ride far better than Ford or Dodge do, much less truck-like.

[Broke Pilot]

Yea, but I like that solid axle ride... the torsion bar is still good design, it just lacks travel. To this day it's still weird to see them from the factorybalmost sitting on the bump stops at ride height. it still baffles me that Chevy went IFS on the heavy duty trucks. But I'm sure it's just a matter of time before ford and ram go that way too. I hope I never see the day.

[Shoebox]

It's an HD truck, not a rock crawler, so the shorter suspension travel isn't a big deal to me. As a daily driver, you can't beat the ride of a GM truck.

[Surf Wagon]

Shannon Campbell won King of the Hammers with IFS lol

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[beat taco]

KOH 1-3 all ifs this year. They always said the day would come. For those of us who sobbed in 1986 when Toyota made the switch we refused to accept it.

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[sandm]

I do think the chevy rode better than the dodge and was quite a bit quieter at the 500rpm's less it was turning at highway speed :)

don't even get me started tho at the pita stereo system and all the gymnastics I had to go through to add an outboard amp and 2 subs to the factory stereo....
who ever thought of putting all the electronics for the stereo inside the cd player and the thing doesn't work without it installed. who even has cd's anymore???
stupid....
but still a great truck and love it. the smartphone remote start from anywhere was a welcome feature in slc. too bad I won't be using that anymore ;)

[Broke Pilot]

Oh good lord yes, the mylink app with remote start is awesome. lol I don't understand why more manufacturers haven't done it!
If Chevy wants to build a nice IFS system that has at least 8-12" of travel and doesn't need a lift with a selectable locker in the front I'd be all for it. But they've gotta get away from those square fender wells so you can fit a decent size tire in there without having to run a positive offset rim. That was another one of my little annoyances with my '14.
I'm not an advocate of lifts, but more rubber under the truck is never bad. Unless you care about mileage. Which I know the Chevy wins again... lol

I'm a go green kind of guy, I'm powered by recycled dinosaurs!

[deerfield]

Unfortunately ... the exhaust manifold bolts are still shearing off in the block.

Broke Pilot - How did you repair/replace these? Time? Cost? Warranty? Thanks. - Deerfield

[sandm]

^^ ford triton and v10 motors are notorious for this as well. I had 1 side done on my ford a few years ago- 3 bolts and ran me $250.

[Broke Pilot]

If it's under warranty it is covered by the power train warranty. First time it happened I had then do it. Second time it was out (I wasn't gonna let them do it anyway and use the same crappy bolts) I used ARP studs. Ran $165 I think? Took about 2 hours. Dropped the passenfervfender liner and you get them pretty easily. Luckily mine came outta the block wirh vice grips, they didn't shear below the manifold deck.

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Ram 3500


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Gorgeous Megacab and SE!!!!

[KG's Supra24]

For you tapatalk folks ....

At 44 votes, GM has taken the lead. The running total is as follows:

GM - 17
Ford - 15
Ram/Jeep - 7
Toyota - 2
Nissan - 2
Other - 1

[chester]

I was waiting to vote because i just picked this up yesterday!! Should tow much better than the 2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee
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[kaneboats]

Nice! Congrats on the new toy dragger!

[Broke Pilot]

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Got the new tires and wheels mounted up today, couldn't wait any longer! 20x9 -12 XD Hoss 2's with 35/13.5/20 Toyo AT2. No more burn outs pulling the boat out with those crappy factory Firestones.
Now I'm just waiting on the lift to show up. Those 13.50's rub bad.

[kaneboats]

Good looking RAM!

[bergermaister]

http://i.imgur.com/yC8ErYy.jpg (http://imgur.com/yC8ErYy)
Got the new tires and wheels mounted up today, couldn't wait any longer! 20x9 -12 XD Hoss 2's with 35/13.5/20 Toyo AT2. No more burn outs pulling the boat out with those crappy factory Firestones.
Now I'm just waiting on the lift to show up. Those 13.50's rub bad.

Nice ride! So curious what offset you went with on the wheels? (Is that a -12) I'm about to pull the trigger on some 35's after I get the leveling kit on which finally just showed up in the mail.

[beat taco]

You won't want -12 on a level

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[Broke Pilot]

If you go with a 295/65/20 you can pull off a -12 offset on a level. That's what I was running on Lindsay's old Megacab.
If you go with a 0 offset you could do a full 12.5" wide tire.
I'm doing a Fabtech 5" kit, getting rid of the factory bowed coils. Such a dumb design.

[Broke Pilot]

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The tow pig is done! Finally had a day to get out to the shop and finish the lift. Fabtech 5" with new radius arms and coils. No more stupid Fiat bowed front coil springs! Rides so nice.

[stevemarich]

Right on looks good man

[RC_Hinojosa]

Damn. Y'all are a bad influence...this thread gave me the itch [emoji31] (wifey is gonna ring my neck [emoji23])

Tires and wheels are getting swapped over at the moment to the new 6.7L #AlumiDuty

Now I've gotta get a new Moomba sticker!! [emoji12]

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[Broke Pilot]

Pics?!? I love the new SD's when they're all done up! Did you get those sexy headlights with the LED C's around the outside? Ford did the front end right on the new trucks

[RC_Hinojosa]

Pics?!? I love the new SD's when they're all done up! Did you get those sexy headlights with the LED C's around the outside? Ford did the front end right on the new trucksYessir, F-250 Lariat Ultimate FX4 with 6.7L PowerStroke. Technology package, tow package, premium audio, quad beam LED headlights, dual panoramic sunroof, E-locker, and a bunch of other goodies. Dealer let me swap over my 35" Nitto Ridge Grapplers on 20" XD rockstars too.

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[Broke Pilot]

Beautiful... love black, but won't ever own another one.
Now you just need to bring it up to my shop and let me play with it... lol
You're local! Localish...

[mattsask]

+1 for Ford. Boy do I feel like a part timer with a half ton ecoboost. You guys have some nice rigs! We keep the boat at the cottage, so only tow about 1000km a season anyway.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180217/c54c9bf01491b087cb130b093affb0f9.jpg

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[beat taco]

I've been doing some consulting at my local dealer and got them building these. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180217/d5badce0d8548c7febc3797590a99a6a.jpg

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[Broke Pilot]

Very nice... what lifts are they putting on them?

[996scott]

Picked up my first truck last year, a 2017 Tundra. I've been using a suburban for last 15 years so the Tundra has been a really nice upgrade.

[Broke Pilot]

Good lookin Tundra... my brother in law just picked up a new platimum(?) not sure on Toyota trim levels outside the 4Runner. Since my sister got pregnant he sold all the toys and bought a nice new truck lol.
Burbs and Suv's are nice, but I don't like smelling everything I haul around!

[CMattWilcox]

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Can’t beat the ol burb for hauling a boat and 4 kids. Maybe this new little diesel Chevy is putting in the 1500’s won’t suck and will be available in the SUV’s one day. Then I can feel like I fit in...


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[Shoebox]

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Can’t beat the ol burb for hauling a boat and 4 kids. Maybe this new little diesel Chevy is putting in the 1500’s won’t suck and will be available in the SUV’s one day. Then I can feel like I fit in...


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLooks like you could use a set of airbags.

[beat taco]

Very nice... what lifts are they putting on them?Fabtech radius arms with fox shocks. That one is 6 on 37's. Here is 4 on 35's. We are doing one they sold for a customer 6 on 38's with fox reservoirs all around. I'll get pics once they get it done.
I think it's a home run, walk out of there with the same lift and tires Les Schwab sells for $6500 dealer installed at or below MSRP (no huge ridiculous dealer price!) all nicely financed into your auto loan! I know the boating community can pay cash for everything but the other 90% paying 20% on their Lee Schwab accounts should be lining up for this deal.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180218/b07298d5f37b37d49a893e9e9be62c82.jpg

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[CMattWilcox]

Looks like you could use a set of airbags.

Funny you should mention that...they’re on order. Should be in next week.


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[KG's Supra24]

For you tapatalk folks ....

At 59 votes, GM holds the lead. The running total is as follows:

GM - 22
Ford - 20
Ram/Jeep - 8
Toyota - 4
Nissan - 4
Other - 1

[MJHSupra]

One more for the Chevy 1500

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[rdlangston13]

Looks like you could use a set of airbags.

I think I am going to be ordering the Nivomat struts and springs for our Expedition to get her to ride more level with the boat in tow.


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[RC_Hinojosa]

Now you just need to bring it up to my shop and let me play with it... lol
You're local! Localish...

What all kind of work do you do at your shop?

[Broke Pilot]

I do lifts, wheels n tires. What ever me n my buddies feel like working on.
I'm hoping once I get comfortable in the new job starting march 1st, I'm gonna try and put a lift in the shop. I'm tired of rolling around on my back.

[rdlangston13]

I do lifts, wheels n tires. What ever me n my buddies feel like working on.
I'm hoping once I get comfortable in the new job starting march 1st, I'm gonna try and put a lift in the shop. I'm tired of rolling around on my back.

New company you’re flying for?


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[RC_Hinojosa]

I do lifts, wheels n tires. What ever me n my buddies feel like working on.


My Ridge Grapplers are nearly brand new but I'll keep you in mind when it's time to upgrade & elevate!

[deckwork]

+1 For Chevy 1500
17 with 6.2 and air bags to eliminate squat. Switched from 3500 Duramax due to daily ride quality.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180219/d54c85e08c94d50f6170b1925f902bd8.jpg

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[Broke Pilot]

New company you’re flying for?


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Yep, after 5 years at western outta sugarland, I've topped out. I'm headed over to a charter op out of Hobby. Company I've always wanted to work for, they just don't hire much cus their pilots never leave. I'm excited, just nervous. Everything new is scary! Lol

[Shoebox]

Yep, after 5 years at western outta sugarland, I've topped out. I'm headed over to a charter op out of Hobby. Company I've always wanted to work for, they just don't hire much cus their pilots never leave. I'm excited, just nervous. Everything new is scary! LolCharter can be some sketchy stuff. Hope the new place takes safety seriously.

What will you be flying?

[Broke Pilot]

Charter is great as long as you're with a big well established company. When you're in the business you know who to stay away from for jobs. Lol
Western has been around for over 30 years, they treated me well, but I couldn't see another 5 years with them. The Lear 75 I'm on is the newest plane and there's nothing else on the horizon.
The new company, Cockrell, has been around a long time also. They operate some bigger airframes, and there's more opportunities for advancement. I'll be the Lear 40/45 check airman for them until I move on to a bigger plane in 6-12 months. It'll be nice being dual typed again, it gets boring flying the same plane every trip.

[Shoebox]

Charter is great as long as you're with a big well established company. When you're in the business you know who to stay away from for jobs. Lol
Western has been around for over 30 years, they treated me well, but I couldn't see another 5 years with them. The Lear 75 I'm on is the newest plane and there's nothing else on the horizon.
The new company, Cockrell, has been around a long time also. They operate some bigger airframes, and there's more opportunities for advancement. I'll be the Lear 40/45 check airman for them until I move on to a bigger plane in 6-12 months. It'll be nice being dual typed again, it gets boring flying the same plane every trip.

I've been flying the same type (Phenom 300) for 4.5 years, and flew the 400xp for 8.5 before that. At NetJets. Don't think I could do charter. I like having a schedule and a contract.

[jmvotto]

+1 for Ford. Boy do I feel like a part timer with a half ton ecoboost. You guys have some nice rigs! We keep the boat at the cottage, so only tow about 1000km a season anyway.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180217/c54c9bf01491b087cb130b093affb0f9.jpg

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I’m with ya. I have a plain Jane 2018 Silverado 1500 HC Street level truck ha ha

[Broke Pilot]

All that matters is you have a tow rig to pull around the real toy!

[rdlangston13]

All that matters is you have a tow rig to pull around the real toy!

That’s right, our old primary tow rig was. 2006 Dodge Ram. People think it’s funny that I have a $15,000 truck with an $80,000 boat behind it. I just say the trucks only purpose is to transport the fun


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[rdlangston13]

Our tow vehicle just got an upgrade today. Swapped out the standard struts for the Nivomat load leveling ones. They are a bit beefier. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180414/e960e14ecb7d70914afaa648af0ac3d9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180414/72f593e0c320e4d46c479cc7846198cb.jpg


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[bergermaister]

I’ll be curious to see what you think. I gutted the air ride on the back of our Lincoln Navigator after it flaked out a few times and finally failed. Did an Arnott strut conversion with a little computer bypass module. Worked like a charm but doesn’t sit as level towing as I’d like now when there’s a carload of kids.

[rdlangston13]

Well hopefully the weather will cooperate and we will be able to test it out. I like the fact that it’s not air because I never hear anything except people having problems with their air rides.


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[Rush]

2017 F350 Platinum

[Broke Pilot]

Love that dark red on those fords... but I’m partial anyway! Lol

[Edo88]

2012 Ram 6.7 fully deleted nothing pretty just a tow righttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180415/671b0629f8bd4db5b4dbf589f72f080c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180415/691a6b56deb0fdeb50a54fac8fdf92ce.jpg


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[larry_arizona]

Just picked up a 2018 F150 FX4 SCREW 3.5EB tow package etc.....

But Ford really is misleading. Tow chart says it can tow 10,700# as equipped but factory hitch is only rated at 5000# and 500# tongue weight which the majority of wake boats exceed.

Even my brothers 18 F150 with max tow package rated for 12,700# has the same 5000# hitch.

I doubt many wake boat owners use weight distribution hitch set ups.

The fix was to simply buy a Curt class 4 hitch with a 10000# trailer weight and 1000# tongue rating


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[Chrissy192]

Argh so f-ing jalous about your cars, we don't have pickups in denmark unless i import them .. nice tow-cars..

[Shoebox]

Just picked up a 2018 F150 FX4 SCREW 3.5EB tow package etc.....

But Ford really is misleading. Tow chart says it can tow 10,700# as equipped but factory hitch is only rated at 5000# and 500# tongue weight which the majority of wake boats exceed.

Even my brothers 18 F150 with max tow package rated for 12,700# has the same 5000# hitch.

I doubt many wake boat owners use weight distribution hitch set ups.

The fix was to simply buy a Curt class 4 hitch with a 10000# trailer weight and 1000# tongue rating


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe other problem with many 1/2 tons is payload, but not really a problem for boats.

[larry_arizona]

The other problem with many 1/2 tons is payload, but not really a problem for boats.

Absolutely a concern if the assumption of a 7100 lb trailer weight assuming a 10% tongue load.

Truck weight + tongue weight + passengers+ gear fast approaches most 1/2 ton GVW’s/Payloads.


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[Shoebox]

Absolutely a concern if the assumption of a 7100 lb trailer weight assuming a 10% tongue load.

Truck weight + tongue weight + passengers+ gear fast approaches most 1/2 ton GVW’s/Payloads.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkTrue, but getting right up to the limit isn't a problem. It's just something most don't think about when thinking about towing, and truck manufacturers sure don't tell you when advertising "tow ratings".

I don't think there's a 1/2-ton out there that is rated for the payload that a 10k+ trailer will put on it.

[larry_arizona]

True, but getting right up to the limit isn't a problem. It's just something most don't think about when thinking about towing, and truck manufacturers sure don't tell you when advertising "tow ratings".

I don't think there's a 1/2-ton out there that is rated for the payload that a 10k+ trailer will put on it.

Dead nuts true, 1/2 tons are not the towing monsters that OEM marketing makes them out to be.

I only caution you all have correct equipment and understand the limits even when an OEM claims 11-12k# towing capacity on a 1/2 ton.




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[jcarter20]

Chalk up another for GM. 2011 GMC Sierra 2500 with 6.0L.

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[larry_arizona]

Dead nuts true, 1/2 tons are not the towing monsters that OEM marketing makes them out to be.

I only caution you all have correct equipment and understand the limits even when an OEM claims 11-12k# towing capacity on a 1/2 ton.




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2018 F150 factory hitch only rated for 5000#, even on the MAX tow package.

Factory hitch is integral to the rear bumper assembly.

CURT manufacturing makes a 10000# hitch that works around the factory hitch

FORD is dumb.

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[Shoebox]

Wow, that is dumb.

[rdlangston13]

2018 F150 factory hitch only rated for 5000#, even on the MAX tow package.

Factory hitch is integral to the rear bumper assembly.

CURT manufacturing makes a 10000# hitch that works around the factory hitch

FORD is dumb.

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It says right there weight distributing is rated for 11,600+ lbs...


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[Shoebox]

It says right there weight distributing is rated for 11,600+ lbs...


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[rdlangston13]

How many people do you see using WD on their boats?

None but I also want to know what other manufacturers rate their half tons to tow more than 5000 weight carrying? Is this a ford issue or a half ton in general issue. I do find it interesting that our expedition can pull 6000 lbs weight carrying.


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[larry_arizona]

Ever try backing up a trailer with a WD hitch?

I will say wake boats push the limits of a 1/2 ton.

Ford is just not 100% transparent on the 1/2 ton towing capacity.

You are only as good as the weakest link, the factory hitch is that weakness.

Funny, wife’s 2015 Silverado has a factory 10000# hitch.

Ford is still dumb and I can only imagine how many F150’s are out there towing $125k+ wake boats exceeding the factory hitch by 2000#+


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[mattsask]

I thought we had this conversation last year when I bought my f150. The conclusion was that all manufacturers advertised tow ratings were based on the weight distributing hitch numbers. My dealer was 100% clueless about this when I confronted them about it after the sale. It's not just wake boat owners, I doubt the majority of people crawl under the hitch and check the tag.

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[Edo88]

All this talk got me curious about what my truck is rated for looks like even when you look up ram they say 5,000 lbs is max for weight carrying hitch see number 4. Guess they say that too cover their ass even though I’ve hauled a skid steer on a bumper pull and that’s a lot heavier then a boat. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180609/451f4075513e435cddf7f5c8a21edee4.jpg


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[larry_arizona]

But does it cover your ass?


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[Shoebox]

All this talk got me curious about what my truck is rated for looks like even when you look up ram they say 5,000 lbs is max for weight carrying hitch see number 4. Guess they say that too cover their ass even though I’ve hauled a skid steer on a bumper pull and that’s a lot heavier then a boat. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180609/451f4075513e435cddf7f5c8a21edee4.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat hitch breaks and you damage another vehicle, your insurance won't cover you.

[larry_arizona]

The good news is a class 4 hitch is cheap, well worth $150.

Check your ball mount and trailer ball ratings as well.


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[Edo88]

I’ve got a class 4 hitch I just think it’s funny how their website says 5k limit on it.


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[rdlangston13]

It’s probably got more to do with the balance and stability of the vehicle than it does with how much the hitch can hold.


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[larry_arizona]

OEM’s need to put together towing flow charts.

So many things to consider.

Can the truck tow X number or pounds......

Can your hitch handle trailer and tongue weight......

Do you exceed payload......

Is ball mount rated higher than trailer weight....

Is trailer ball rated higher than trailer weight.....

Just can’t blindly trust the OEM and OEM equipment, responsibility is on the owner.



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[rdlangston13]

You mean like this?

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[Shoebox]

You mean like this?

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Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAnd in the notes at the bottom, it notes that you need a weight distributing hitch for the higher weights.

[larry_arizona]

No, that tow chart only covers the truck and is vague at best telling you if the hitch, ball mount and ball are rated to tow that amount.

I am talking about a flow chart.

Bottom line gentlemen, make sure your hitch gear is rated to tow your boats.




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[rdlangston13]

Well the ball and ball mount usually don’t come with the truck so it’s hard for the manufacture to specify those numbers


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[larry_arizona]

I get it, I just wonder how many on this forum are exceeding tow capacity based on OEM towing claims.


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[rdlangston13]

I get it, I just wonder how many on this forum are exceeding tow capacity based on OEM towing claims.


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Easily most everyone who uses a 1/2 ton


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[RC_Hinojosa]

I get it, I just wonder how many on this forum are exceeding tow capacity based on OEM towing claims.


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[Ryann]

I've heard most single axle trailers have a tongue weight of 10%, while a tandem axle boat trailer will only have 5% tongue weight.

If it's 10%, I have to weight distribute. If 5%, I'm good without weight distributing. I DO NOT want to weight distribute with a surge brake trailer. When is the marine industry going to figure out that electric over hydraulic brakes are the way to go for these heavy ass boats?

[rdlangston13]

I've heard most single axle trailers have a tongue weight of 10%, while a tandem axle boat trailer will only have 5% tongue weight.

If it's 10%, I have to weight distribute. If 5%, I'm good without weight distributing. I DO NOT want to weight distribute with a surge brake trailer. When is the marine industry going to figure out that electric over hydraulic brakes are the way to go for these heavy ass boats?

I think they avoid electric over hydraulic because for a long time trucks did not come with trailer brake controllers. That is slowly changing but there still a lot of people without brake controllers. We have one in our Expedition but our ram doesn’t


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[chwags69]

Looking at getting used 2014 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE LIMITED WITH NAVIGATION & 4WD with TRAILER TOW GROUP IV package $645
Rear Load Leveling Suspension, 7 & 4 Pin Wiring Harness, Delete Rear Tow Hook, Class IV Receiver Hitch
OR
2014 DODGE DURANGO LIMITED AWD with TRAILER TOW GROUP IV package $995
Rear Load Leveling Suspension, 7 & 4 Pin Wiring Harness, Class IV Receiver Hitch, Steel Spare Wheel, Heavy Duty Engine Cooling, Full Size Spare Tire
Normal towing is only a few miles, but looking at putting an 8 hour ride with 2017 CRAZ.
Both claim their rated to 6,200 pounds.
Concerns I should have?

[rdlangston13]

I wouldn’t go with either and get a full sized suv to tow the boat. Our Mojo was 6900 lbs on the trailer.


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[zabooda]

Whatever you get make sure you have a tranny cooler. I learned the hard way at 29000 miles with a GM product.

[Shoebox]

The Grand Cherokee and Durango are both essentially the same vehicle structurally. Craz is a big boat to tow with a mid size SUV for any distance. You can get a 2016 or 17 Expedition for almost the same money.

[jcarter20]

I wouldn’t go with either and get a full sized suv to tow the boat. Our Mojo was 6900 lbs on the trailer.


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I agree, mid-size isn’t going to cut it unless you are towing all 8 hours on flat land. I just got back from a 4 hour tow from Ohio to Tennessee. I have a 2011 6.0 2500 GMC and was thoroughly disappointed in how it towed my Craz. This was the first time I towed the boat any distance. At one point my transmission got up to 204 degrees and the motor was constantly downshifting. I know you are going to get some of that in the mountains, but this boat felt like a big lug compared to my 05 Supra. Part of my problem is I put larger tires on the truck, but what I learned over the weekend is the 6.0L barely has more Hp than the 5.3L and actually has less torque. WTF! My next one will be the 6.2L! My dad was behind us towing a lighter rig, but he has a 2015 1/2 ton with the 5.3L and said his tranny never got over 198 degrees.


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[rdlangston13]

I agree, mid-size isn’t going to cut it unless you are towing all 8 hours on flat land. I just got back from a 4 hour tow from Ohio to Tennessee. I have a 2011 6.0 2500 GMC and was thoroughly disappointed in how it towed my Craz. This was the first time I towed the boat any distance. At one point my transmission got up to 204 degrees and the motor was constantly downshifting. I know you are going to get some of that in the mountains, but this boat felt like a big lug compared to my 05 Supra. Part of my problem is I put larger tires on the truck, but what I learned over the weekend is the 6.0L barely has more Hp than the 5.3L and actually has less torque. WTF! My next one will be the 6.2L! My dad was behind us towing a lighter rig, but he has a 2015 1/2 ton with the 5.3L and said his tranny never got over 198 degrees.


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204 tranny temp isn’t that bad. Mine runs 198 on the regular and on hills with a lot of shifting towing I’ve seen 204 but it immediately goes back down. I would worry if I started seeing 210+ consistently. But I have that 3.5 liter V6 that makes more torque than the 5.3 and 6.0. :-).


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[jcarter20]

204 tranny temp isn’t that bad. Mine runs 198 on the regular and on hills with a lot of shifting towing I’ve seen 204 but it immediately goes back down. I would worry if I started seeing 210+ consistently. But I have that 3.5 liter V6 that makes more torque than the 5.3 and 6.0. :-).


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Yeah, I wasn’t worried about the 204 temp. It was only there for brief period. I guess my point was the 5.3 didn’t get as hot at my 6.0. In the exact same towing conditions. Again his boat is probably 1,000 less than mine. I was also shocked when I looked up the specs of the 6.0 vs. the 5.3. I thought the 6.0 2500 would have much more torque than a 5.3 half ton. Not the case.


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[Broke Pilot]

Yea, but I’d take a 2500 with 6.0 over a 1500 any day. All the power in the world does no good if the vehicle can’t handle it, especially when towing. I can’t imagine pulling the SA on my old 1500 Chevy, it would definitely do it but I’d be getting my ass handed to me on gas, bumps, hills... momentum is a big factor in towing. Lol
It pulled the 06 great, but you knew it was there and that thing was maybe 5500 maxed out on the trailer? These newer boats alone are heavier than an older rig with the trailer.
Heck, my Cummins can feel the SA, it doesn’t care, but you for sure know it’s back there.

[jcarter20]

Yea, but I’d take a 2500 with 6.0 over a 1500 any day. All the power in the world does no good if the vehicle can’t handle it, especially when towing. I can’t imagine pulling the SA on my old 1500 Chevy, it would definitely do it but I’d be getting my ass handed to me on gas, bumps, hills... momentum is a big factor in towing. Lol
It pulled the 06 great, but you knew it was there and that thing was maybe 5500 maxed out on the trailer? These newer boats alone are heavier than an older rig with the trailer.
Heck, my Cummins can feel the SA, it doesn’t care, but you for sure know it’s back there.

Yeah, I will always stick with the 2500 for weight capacities...just the 6.2 next time. I was only getting 6.5 MPH, so gas is not my concern. lol. I would like a diesel, but I drive a car to work and my truck sits most of the year. Quite frankly don’t put enough miles on to keep a diesel running right. Plus that extra $15k is hard to stomach for two 4 hour tows per year.


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[larry_arizona]

6.2 not available in the GM 2500’s


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[jcarter20]

6.2 not available in the GM 2500’s


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Seriously, I thought it was in the Denali version. What a bunch of crap! I don’t understand why they wouldn’t offer the bigger motor in a vehicle rated tow more. Maybe I will look at a another brand or at least the bigger rear end.


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[larry_arizona]

Easy, show me a 3/4ton with an aluminum block.......

Iron blocks for HD gas engines.




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[chwags69]

Thanks! Going V8 Suburban LT with towing package "Tranny Cooler".

[Edo88]

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[Broke Pilot]

Ouch... yea I’m dreading mine. Already over 20k in the first year with it. Almost 8k since I lifted it. I’m hoping I can make the ball joints last longer than 60! Lol
What all are they doing?
When mine comes time for that, if it gets that torn down, I’m gonna go ahead and re-gear to 4.10’s and put Tru-Trac’s in.

[stevemarich]

Yeah their front ends do suck, got 100k out of the factory balls joints, put Carli ball joints on, now have 240k and still tight as can be, running 37 13.50s with a -14 offset, but have done several other work trucks between 80k - 150k on factory ball joints, running factory tires leveled.

[Broke Pilot]

I haven’t looked in a while but I’m hoping someone releases (if they haven’t already) some offset ball joints for the 4th gen Ram.
But my rims are only -10 offset, I don’t like the ‘stance’ look all that much. Lol and I want a decent size tire with no rubbing!

[Edo88]

Ouch... yea I’m dreading mine. Already over 20k in the first year with it. Almost 8k since I lifted it. I’m hoping I can make the ball joints last longer than 60! Lol
What all are they doing?
When mine comes time for that, if it gets that torn down, I’m gonna go ahead and re-gear to 4.10’s and put Tru-Trac’s in.

My drivers side axel seal was leaking so did that ball joints added a dual steering stabilizer and installed a steering gear brace. I’ve had a knocking noise in that truck probably since 30k miles.


I’m pretty sure they have off set ball joints now I came across some when I was looking for my truck


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[Prospersigman]

Just a quick photo of my rig. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180905/e757d882c90fd212396c1eae019b38cf.jpg


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[beat taco]

Nice rig. That's a crazy amount of sag on a 250 with just a boat.

Here's some recent builds. First one is 6 on 38's. The pic doesn't do it justice. Other 2 are the basic 6 on 37's. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180905/09ad55ca15f30707048be5be9cdbde26.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180905/c4afde432c8afcf058559fe396bb6a9c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180905/99c832360eb252a7ec5a508a6e55ec6c.jpg

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[beat taco]

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[z28ke]

So for 2019 the 6.2L is available in the suburban with the RST (rally sport truck) package, and my wife needs a new vehicle...the dealership should have the one we’ve been negotiating on this week or next!

I love my 2010 Silverado 1500 6.2 I bought new and plan on keeping it for a long time, but it will be nice to have the extra interior storage of the suburban when the babies come, and still be able to tow the boat up to the in laws lake house with ease.

We were trying to get a deal on a 2018 5.3 but they weren’t moving much on them, so figured we might as well go 2019 6.2 for a couple grand more.

[Prospersigman]

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The picture is a little deceiving making the sag look worse than it is, but there is some. That SL with the 575 in it, 600 lbs of lead, loaded down with a full cooler of beverages, all of our gear and 73 gallons of gas is a heavy biatch.

[beat taco]

So for 2019 the 6.2L is available in the suburban with the RST (rally sport truck) package, and my wife needs a new vehicle...the dealership should have the one we’ve been negotiating on this week or next!

I love my 2010 Silverado 1500 6.2 I bought new and plan on keeping it for a long time, but it will be nice to have the extra interior storage of the suburban when the babies come, and still be able to tow the boat up to the in laws lake house with ease.

We were trying to get a deal on a 2018 5.3 but they weren’t moving much on them, so figured we might as well go 2019 6.2 for a couple grand more.We're in the same situation with the wife's 15 yukon but decided to wait one more year for the new body style. However she test drove a new super duty last weekend so I'm trying to talk her out of third row lol.

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[corvette8189]

My new 2018 2500 Denali

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[jcarter20]

This might be a stupid question, but has anyone ever used a Bully Dog programmer on the GM 6.0L gas motor? Most people I know only put programmers on diesels. However, I am not ready to make the leap to a new Ride yet. Trying to get more HP / Torque out of this weak ass 6.0L.


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[larry_arizona]

This might be a stupid question, but has anyone ever used a Bully Dog programmer on the GM 6.0L gas motor? Most people I know only put programmers on diesels. However, I am not ready to make the leap to a new Ride yet. Trying to get more HP / Torque out of this weak ass 6.0L.


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Put a cam in it and have it tuned by a pro using hp tuners.


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[larry_arizona]

The L96 is actually a badass engine once you wake it up a little. It’s got LS3 heads on it and the cast iron block is why GM still uses these in their heavy duty trucks. They just don’t break.

Great foundation for adding a supercharger or turbos, you can run a ton of boost on that block.

https://www.onallcylinders.com/2018/08/17/l96-6-0l-engine-upgrade-guide-expert-advice-for-l96-mods-to-maximize-performance/

Not sure where you are located, but I can hook you up with a speed shop in many places across the country.


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[jcarter20]

[QUOTE=larry_arizona;332196]The L96 is actually a badass engine once you wake it up a little. It’s got LS3 heads on it and the cast iron block is why GM still uses these in their heavy duty trucks. They just don’t break.

Great foundation for adding a supercharger or turbos, you can run a ton of boost on that block.

https://www.onallcylinders.com/2018/08/17/l96-6-0l-engine-upgrade-guide-expert-advice-for-l96-mods-to-maximize-performance/

Not sure where you are located, but I can hook you up with a speed shop in many places across the country.


Thanks for the info. I am near Dayton Ohio. I am not really looking to spend thousands. If I am going to do that, I will just get a new truck. Was kind of looking for a quick fix to get a little more HP. I put Nitto Ridge Grappler 295/70R17 on the stock rims. That seems to be a major issue with loosing some HP. I wish I would have stuck with a smaller tire now. I was hoping maybe an air intake and or programer could help me out for around $1,000.


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[Shoebox]

[QUOTE=larry_arizona;332196]The L96 is actually a badass engine once you wake it up a little. It’s got LS3 heads on it and the cast iron block is why GM still uses these in their heavy duty trucks. They just don’t break.

Great foundation for adding a supercharger or turbos, you can run a ton of boost on that block.

https://www.onallcylinders.com/2018/08/17/l96-6-0l-engine-upgrade-guide-expert-advice-for-l96-mods-to-maximize-performance/

Not sure where you are located, but I can hook you up with a speed shop in many places across the country.


Thanks for the info. I am near Dayton Ohio. I am not really looking to spend thousands. If I am going to do that, I will just get a new truck. Was kind of looking for a quick fix to get a little more HP. I put Nitto Ridge Grappler 295/70R17 on the stock rims. That seems to be a major issue with loosing some HP. I wish I would have stuck with a smaller tire now. I was hoping maybe an air intake and or programer could help me out for around $1,000.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkDon't change the air intake, all that does is make noise. Just put a K&N filter in the stock airbox. Maybe a cat-back exhaust and tuner. Won't make a ton of power but should make up for the tires.

[larry_arizona]

[QUOTE=larry_arizona;332196]The L96 is actually a badass engine once you wake it up a little. It’s got LS3 heads on it and the cast iron block is why GM still uses these in their heavy duty trucks. They just don’t break.

Great foundation for adding a supercharger or turbos, you can run a ton of boost on that block.

https://www.onallcylinders.com/2018/08/17/l96-6-0l-engine-upgrade-guide-expert-advice-for-l96-mods-to-maximize-performance/

Not sure where you are located, but I can hook you up with a speed shop in many places across the country.


Thanks for the info. I am near Dayton Ohio. I am not really looking to spend thousands. If I am going to do that, I will just get a new truck. Was kind of looking for a quick fix to get a little more HP. I put Nitto Ridge Grappler 295/70R17 on the stock rims. That seems to be a major issue with loosing some HP. I wish I would have stuck with a smaller tire now. I was hoping maybe an air intake and or programer could help me out for around $1,000.


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You didn’t lose HP, you just reduced the rear end effective gear ratio.

You will need more than a tune and $1000 to get your towing grunt back.

You want increased low end torque in a truck, most bolt on mods gain peak HP. Cat backs are typically a waste of money and noise makers.

A cam would make a big difference for power under the curve.

Weapons X motorsports in Cincinnati could hook you up. Call and ask for Ben Henredon (owner) and tell him I sent ya.

Thinking $2500 is what you would need to make the 6.0l rock!!!



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[jcarter20]

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You didn’t lose HP, you just reduced the rear end effective gear ratio.

You will need more than a tune and $1000 to get your towing grunt back.

You want increased low end torque in a truck, most bolt on mods gain peak HP. Cat backs are typically a waste of money and noise makers.

A cam would make a big difference for power under the curve.

Weapons X motorsports in Cincinnati could hook you up. Call and ask for Ben Henredon (owner) and tell him I sent ya.

Thinking $2500 is what you would need to make the 6.0l rock!!!



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10-4. Thanks for the info. I may give them a shout and get some quotes. Sounds like this is your area of expertise!


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[larry_arizona]

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10-4. Thanks for the info. I may give them a shout and get some quotes. Sounds like this is your area of expertise!


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Hobby expertise I guess. Built many GM LS based engines and currently have a second generation CTSV with 700rwhp as a fun car.

Took an act of god to buy a Supra with a Ford engine followed by an F150, hell has frozen over.

Ben is a good guy at WXM in Cincinnati


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[jcarter20]

Took an act of god to buy a Supra with a Ford engine followed by an F150, hell has frozen over.


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Ha ha. What made you go with an F150 over a GM? If I was going half ton, I would get the 6.2 Denali most likely.


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[larry_arizona]

I get GM employee discount and recently attained the ability to get Ford employee discount.

Bang for the buck discount on the F150 was significantly better.

Plus didn’t want another GM K2XX and the new T1XX was unavailable at the time.




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[Broke Pilot]

Jcarter, instead of cat backs and tunes if you want your pick up back after tires, the only right way to do it is to regear the truck. Throw some 4.10’s in the axles and buy a cheap programmer to reset the speedo.
All a tune and exhaust is going to do is burn up your transmission faster at this point if you’ve put bigger tires on it ( I know you didn’t go very big)
Regearing is a crucial step to a lift and bigger tires that most don’t think bout or want to spend the $$ on. And you’ll pick up some mpg’s since your motor isn’t working as hard... even when towing.

[Broke Pilot]

Oh, and as to the original question about a box or ‘canned’ tuner like Bullydog... please please don’t do it, for many reasons.
First off, most times their power increases are on premium 91/93 fuel. So now it costs you an extra $1/gal every time you fill up.
Super chips and hyper techs programming doesn’t like Chevy computers, tends to fry them after a year or two. I have a great relationship with the rebuilders here in Houston after all the computers I’ve put in chevy trucks lol
Bullydog won’t admit it, but on some tunes to show any gains I’ve actually seen them turn off the knock sensors to inhibit a CEL on their low octane tunes so they can crank the timing up.
Biggest problem with a box tune is no truck/engine are the same, your engine might like to run a little rich to make power, joe Blow’s truck might want a touch on the lean side. With a canned tune, your elevation may be different than where Bullydog or Xxx tuner dyno’d their tunes and then you’ve negated the tuner all together. I’ve seen trucks lose power on the dyno with them.
I know they’re quick and easy, but if you’re gonna tune it, pay a shop to do a dyno AND street tune with EFILive or the sort.
But first off, I recommend gears... lol it’ll drive like a new truck, and it’s gonna be way more noticeable than the 20-30lbft you ‘might’ get out of a tune.

And Larry isn’t wrong about the cam, but now you’re still just burning more gas to get where you want to be.
The factory 6.0 cam is about as good as it gets for towing. Go with anything much bigger or more duration and you’re gonna shift the hp/tq curve higher in the rev range which isn’t necessarily bad, but it’s harder on parts and now you’ve lost true low end power. Plus with any ‘towing’ cam in the 6.0, unless you throw a set of headers on to let it breathe that extra fuel burn out the most you’re probly gonna see is 15-30lbft under the factory curve and a few more than that peak.
The 6.0 truck heads don’t flow well comparatively speaking, so there’s also that choke point you’re gonna be fighting.

[larry_arizona]

I agree that canned tunes are typically junk and octane DOES make most of the gains as it allows timing to be cranked up, appx 10hp per degree of timing and about 1 degree timing per point of octane.

As far as gearing, your tire choice dropped your gear ratio appx .25.....example guessing you had a 3.73 gear, with bigger tire you made it effectively 3.48 ish.

If you want easy power, get a E85 flex kit added to your truck. E85 is appx 103-105 octane and power under the curve is significantly increased. You can get a hybrid fuel tune that you tune for both gas and then full E85 and a alcohol sensor constantly measures and adjusts your tune accordingly. Then you can mix any level of gas and E85.

Most gains are at E50 without a huge sacrifice of MPG.

A cam however won’t necessarily kill MPG unless you drive the truck more aggressively all the time, at cruise speeds your MPG might even improve. Factory cams have to worry about emissions compliance and aftermarket cams do not.

My point is, a good cam will gain power (even a good towing cam) without necessarily sacrificing full time MPG. It will only consume more fuel when you are using the increased power under full load, but that’s true on any engine with more power.

The L96 heads are the same ports as the LS3 heads and flow extremely well stock, in fact they flow slightly better than the LSA and LS9 heads used in supercharged applications making much more HP/TQ.

As far as hard part wear related to a cam install, you are looking at a cam with low .500 lift @.050, this is still stock range lifts for an LS engine. If you were in the .600 to .650 lift range, then I would agree you might need to change valve springs every 20k miles.

The exhaust manifolds will handle any towing cam you cam throw at it, again, not a concern until you get some really high lift cams. Plenty of CTSV’s running stock LSA manifolds making 700+hp to the wheel (appx 800 to the crank versus stock of 556).


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[larry_arizona]

Found a stock vs BTR stage 2 cam swap. Was an engine dyno versus chassis.

Gains across the entire RPM range.

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[Broke Pilot]

L96 heads flow well for a race car that spends its time at high rpm. Rectangular port heads don’t flow well on the street or in a truck at low rpm. That’s where cathedral ports win with port velocity, which is also why they like boost.
Look at that dyno chart, there’s not enough gains under 5k rpm to notice for $2500 for me. And the goal is not to tow your boat at 4500 rpm, so I just don’t understand why you’d throw a larger duration cam in to tow. But that’s just my .02...
also, and I know Brian, big fan of his internals, but look where the dyno starts, 2600 rpm and the factory cam is making more torque and hp.. Doesn’t pick up the new cam til 3100, right about when the truck is gonna wanna shift from 2 to 3 when you’re driving normally. If he’d started that pull around 1800rpm where the converter is just getting settled that cam’s tq #’s are gonna be way down cus you have no vacuum and no port velocity to help the engine breathe.
Bigger cams, whether it’s lift, duration, LSA, and/or any combination of the 3 will only shift the power higher as the numbers get bigger. So again, why put a cam in a tow rig? We want down low grunt to get moving with minimal effort.

Hope we didn’t hijack this too bad...
Larry, we need to hang out, this could be a fun evening over a beer. Lol

[larry_arizona]

Beersssssssss......one is never enough


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[RC_Hinojosa]

I'm just gonna leave this right here....

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[larry_arizona]

I'm just gonna leave this right here....

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Brilliant, I love it!!!


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[jcarter20]

I'm just gonna leave this right here....

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Ha ha....nice! I really do appreciate all the tips from you guys. My only thing is, I am not going to dump $3-4K into a 2011 with 90k miles on it. I would rather run it for another year or so and just get a new (or new to me) truck. I was hoping for a quick cheaper fix....sounds like that would be to go back to those stupid ass looking 265 stock tires.


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[larry_arizona]

90k Miles?? You got easily 200k miles left in that truck.

Problem is GM is still using the same 6.0l in HD’s for the foreseeable future.






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[patrick232]

So for 2019 the 6.2L is available in the suburban with the RST (rally sport truck) package, and my wife needs a new vehicle...the dealership should have the one we’ve been negotiating on this week or next!

I love my 2010 Silverado 1500 6.2 I bought new and plan on keeping it for a long time, but it will be nice to have the extra interior storage of the suburban when the babies come, and still be able to tow the boat up to the in laws lake house with ease.

We were trying to get a deal on a 2018 5.3 but they weren’t moving much on them, so figured we might as well go 2019 6.2 for a couple grand more.

Are u a Costco member? They are doing supplier pricing + $4,500 rebate on the premier plus with 6.2. I switched from a 16 suburban to a 18 Denali with 6.2 and 10 speed night and day

[larry_arizona]

Are u a Costco member? They are doing supplier pricing + $4,500 rebate on the premier plus with 6.2. I switched from a 16 suburban to a 18 Denali with 6.2 and 10 speed night and day

I will say the Ford 10 speeds are fantastic in the GM and Ford trucks.


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[Broke Pilot]

I'm just gonna leave this right here....

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It’s so true it hurts... lmao
Me and my brother have both been saying lately, if we were gonna buy a half ton it’s eother ford or tundra now.
I think chevy (my roots) just wants their true followers to hate them... lol

Jcarter, why trade in? Like they said, nothing is changing, except they’re getting uglier. Lol (my opinion of course)
I’m looking at buying another older chevy/gmc tahoe to do a 6.0 swap in. There’s not much out there worth the money in my eyes. I love my Cummins, really really love it, but was it worth $60k? F#%@ NO! It’s just a 38k truck saddled with 28k worth of emissions bullshit that’s gonna cost me $3k to delete when it acts up. Lol
3k into your axles is still cheaper than payments on a new truck...

[trayson]

I can't believe there's a 17 page thread on trucks and I somehow missed the opportunity to post up a picture of ours, LOLOL.

2013 F150 Ecoboost FX4.

6" lift, 20" motometal wheels with 35x12.50 tires
Firestone riderite airbags with the Airlift wireless controller
Undercover Flex tri fold tonneau
LED Fogs, tails, and 3rd Brake light


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[Broke Pilot]

Hey Trayson, how do you like the wireless controller for the bags? I just did a air ride kit for a buddy on his tundra but we just used the schrader valves for now. He’s still up in the air if he wants the controller and pump. Are you running an air tank also or straight off the pump to the bags?

[Shoebox]

I'm not Trayson, but the wireless controller is awesome. I put my compressor and manifold in a plastic Home Depot toolbox and mounted it under the truck. Keeps it protected and clean, and easy access to service it.

The controller has 2 presets, so I have it set at 5 psi unloaded and 55 psi when I'm carrying my camper.

They say you can't run it to a tank, but it would be an easy mod to do so.
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[trayson]

Hey Trayson, how do you like the wireless controller for the bags? I just did a air ride kit for a buddy on his tundra but we just used the schrader valves for now. He’s still up in the air if he wants the controller and pump. Are you running an air tank also or straight off the pump to the bags?

I really like it with the controller. The truck is the wife's daily driver. the controller we have has the digital display of PSI and two presets. so the first preset is the 5psi minimum for driving around w/o the trailer. When we are hitching up, we line up the ball and coupler and crank a little on the tongue jack, then I go and hit the 2nd preset for 50psi and it raises the suspension to the coupler (kinda like the fancy stuff on the new trucks). Likewise, when we uncouple the trailer, we put down the tongue jack and then drop the truck's suspension to uncouple. Less cranking = work smarter not harder. :-D

As far as setting up the PSI for towing, I hitched up the boat, put the truck and boat on a level road, and cranked up the PSI on the bags until the gap on the front wheels was the same as the gap on the rear wheels of the truck. and of course going with the appropriate drop hitch to keep the trailer as level as possible.

My kit has a compressor and the remote. No tank. I really don't see it as necessary. Going from 5 psi to 50+ only takes maybe 10 seconds tops. It's not like the bags have THAT much volume to justify a tank. Sure, the wireless controller is a couple hundred extra (I found a great deal on an open box setup on ebay) but it really makes it so I use the varying PSI levels WAY more (not to mention actually knowing what the PSI is). Sure, when I'm going camping and I have a bed full of gear and gas cans, I'll pump it up in PSI with a guestimate. But at least knowing the #'s is nice.

Sure, I have a shop compressor right next to where I hitch up the trailer. But even that would be something I'd feel was a hassle before long.

[trayson]

I'm not Trayson, but the wireless controller is awesome. I put my compressor and manifold in a plastic Home Depot toolbox and mounted it under the truck. Keeps it protected and clean, and easy access to service it.

I didn't bother with protecting it like you. My manifold is mounted on the frame rail as is my compressor. The compressor I have had its own shielding though. The truck is my wife's daily driver and as such never sees trails or mud. So it's definitely a "street queen". But the toolbox is a slick idea.

[Shoebox]

I didn't bother with protecting it like you. My manifold is mounted on the frame rail as is my compressor. The compressor I have had its own shielding though. The truck is my wife's daily driver and as such never sees trails or mud. So it's definitely a "street queen". But the toolbox is a slick idea.I get off road camping quite a bit, so the protection of the toolbox seemed like a good idea. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180911/bb8316c0299fb0abb13dadafc847bbf1.jpg

[Broke Pilot]

The toolbox is a hell of an idea. Lol
So when you go with the pump/manifold are the bags independent of each other? On the kit I just installed it’s one line with a schrader per bag. So if one gets a leak, the other side will still be aired up. I’m not sure that I like that. lol
If you were to spring a leak I would think I’d want both bags to deflate if it was my truck. But I’ve never had a need for airbags, so I’m trying to steer him in the right direction.
Thanks!

[Shoebox]

The toolbox is a hell of an idea. Lol
So when you go with the pump/manifold are the bags independent of each other? On the kit I just installed it’s one line with a schrader per bag. So if one gets a leak, the other side will still be aired up. I’m not sure that I like that. lol
If you were to spring a leak I would think I’d want both bags to deflate if it was my truck. But I’ve never had a need for airbags, so I’m trying to steer him in the right direction.
Thanks!

The manifold airs them independently. They also have Schrader valves teed into them for backup.

I suppose you could connect both together if you wanted to, but then you'll get a lot of roll with a heavy load, because the air could move between bags.

[trayson]

The manifold airs them independently. They also have Schrader valves teed into them for backup.

I suppose you could connect both together if you wanted to, but then you'll get a lot of roll with a heavy load, because the air could move between bags.

That may be the case that they're aired independently, but there's only a single pressure setting on the controller i have that does both bags. So no 3 wheel gangsta lean. Lol

[Shoebox]

That may be the case that they're aired independently, but there's only a single pressure setting on the controller i have that does both bags. So no 3 wheel gangsta lean. LolNope, but when you fill or empty them, you see the pressures are off a few psi til they reach the set pressure. You could always lean it manually, if that's what you're into... [emoji23]

[jcarter20]

Jcarter, why trade in? Like they said, nothing is changing, except they’re getting uglier. Lol (my opinion of course)
I’m looking at buying another older chevy/gmc tahoe to do a 6.0 swap in. There’s not much out there worth the money in my eyes. I love my Cummins, really really love it, but was it worth $60k? F#%@ NO! It’s just a 38k truck saddled with 28k worth of emissions bullshit that’s gonna cost me $3k to delete when it acts up. Lol
3k into your axles is still cheaper than payments on a new truck...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I totally agree prices are stupid right now. My plan was to get about 2 more years out of this truck, then get another used truck with about 50k miles on it. I was considering a diesel, but it is so hard to justify the increased cost when I really only need it 3 times per year. I may look at doing something with axles this winter. If I planned to keep it longer I would certainly dump the money into it. Truth be told, I am kind of just tired of the look of it...I like the new ones. [emoji12]

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[Broke Pilot]

Hey, you don’t have to sell anyone on here on the idea of a new tow rig! I think we’re all the worst enablers you’ll ever meet... lol

[RC_Hinojosa]

Hey, you don’t have to sell anyone on here on the idea of a new tow rig! I think we’re all the worst enablers you’ll ever meet... lol

True statement!! I was bit by the bug earlier this year, LOL! https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?31017-Tow-Vehicle/page5

[jcarter20]

Saturn!?!? I hope they are just pulling Jet Skies!


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[z28ke]

Hurricane Florence held up the delivery but it is finally here!

2019 Suburban RST Premier 6.2L

My wife has an appointment Friday to get the front windows and windshield tinted and I’m already looking into lowering kits.


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[larry_arizona]

Sweet Rig, that will look sharp pulling your murder max.

You will love the 10 speed trans, one of my favorite things about the F150.


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[Broke Pilot]

Wish you could get a 4wd Tahoe or suburban RST. Sucks the only way to get the 6.2 is a $60k+ Denali...
But dang that thing is sharp... congrats!

[larry_arizona]

Wish you could get a 4wd Tahoe or suburban RST. Sucks the only way to get the 6.2 is a $60k+ Denali...
But dang that thing is sharp... congrats!

Tahoe/Suburban RST’s are available in 4WD


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[z28ke]

Thanks fellas!!! Yea it’s 4wd

[KG's Supra24]

My wife picked up a 6.2 a few months back. It doesn't see much towing but when we have it has been great! We've really liked the vehicle.

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[larry_arizona]

You guys with 6.2’s need to bolt on a TVS 2650 and let her eat!!!!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180926/2f635cf7d43e8190703d699c7c7ae354.png


Actually a TVS1900 is the sweet spot for a 6.2, but you get the point......lol

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[z28ke]

My wife picked up a 6.2 a few months back. It doesn't see much towing but when we have it has been great! We've really liked the vehicle.

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Pimpin setup KG!

[z28ke]

You guys with 6.2’s need to bolt on a TVS 2650 and let her eat!!!!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180926/2f635cf7d43e8190703d699c7c7ae354.png


Actually a TVS1900 is the sweet spot for a 6.2, but you get the point......lol

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I’ve thought about it for my 6.2 Silverado. Back around 2005-2006 I was a tech at a late model GM performance/dyno shop before joining my dad in the family business. I did quite a few maggie and Kenny Bell installs on vettes/gto’s. Best part about the job was taking home 600-800rwhp cars for the weekend to make sure the tune was right! My garage queen is a 93 Z28 (vortech s-trim w/methanol injection) that I’ve owned since my senior year in high school (1999).

[Broke Pilot]

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I was not aware of that... hmmm... off to the Chevy website I go. Thanks!

[larry_arizona]

I was not aware of that... hmmm... off to the Chevy website I go. Thanks!

$80k+ truck


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[Broke Pilot]

Good lord GM... can’t get the new 10spd with a towing package and 4wd. Back to the Yukon Denali. Even used that’s over 50k for a half ton gasser suv and no 10 speed either. I just don’t understand... lol why does GM release an amazing new trans and limit what you can get it in?!?
Lindsay is about to be driving a new Cummins like mine at this rate...

[larry_arizona]

Good lord GM... can’t get the new 10spd with a towing package and 4wd. Back to the Yukon Denali. Even used that’s over 50k for a half ton gasser suv and no 10 speed either. I just don’t understand... lol why does GM release an amazing new trans and limit what you can get it in?!?
Lindsay is about to be driving a new Cummins like mine at this rate...

What’s even funnier is it’s Fords 10 speed transmission and they use it in all of the Ford truck/SUV towing packages.

Ford and GM co-developed two transmissions, however the reality it Ford developed the rear wheel drive 10 speed and GM developed the front wheel drive 9 speed.


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[Broke Pilot]

I’m remembering why I dropped GM all together post 1998. Lol
I hated my 2015 single cab.

[Shoebox]

Love my 2015 Chevy 3500 Duramax, and I'm a lifelong Ford guy.

[Broke Pilot]

Should have clarified.. lol
It was a 1500 single cab 4x4, 5.3. I have no issues with a Dmax lol

[Shoebox]

Yeah I'd hate that too. [emoji6]

[patrick232]

Good lord GM... can’t get the new 10spd with a towing package and 4wd. Back to the Yukon Denali. Even used that’s over 50k for a half ton gasser suv and no 10 speed either. I just don’t understand... lol why does GM release an amazing new trans and limit what you can get it in?!?
Lindsay is about to be driving a new Cummins like mine at this rate...

I think you can if your a Costco member and grab a 19 suburban premier with 6.2 with the Costco discount and rebates is should be in the mid $70s. We love our 18 Denali XL over the 16 suburban LT. https://www-roadandtrack-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/amp22853112/chevy-suburban-premier-plus-a-costco-escalade/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.roadandtrack.com%2Fnew-cars%2Fa22853112%2Fchevy-suburban-premier-plus-a-costco-escalade%2F

[Broke Pilot]

I let the Costco lapse... the only one that’s close isn’t convenient. Lol
But either way, there’s no way in hell I’d pay over 70k for a half ton gasser SUV! That’s 20k more than my Cummins cost! And I have a heated steering wheel... lmao
Where ya at GM?!?
I love the Yukon/Tahoe/Burb’s... but the prices have gotten out of control.

Oh, and I tried to build a RST Chevy with the 10spd and 4wd. You can’t get the heavy towing package! Wtf?!?

[larry_arizona]

I let the Costco lapse... the only one that’s close isn’t convenient. Lol
But either way, there’s no way in hell I’d pay over 70k for a half ton gasser SUV! That’s 20k more than my Cummins cost! And I have a heated steering wheel... lmao
Where ya at GM?!?
I love the Yukon/Tahoe/Burb’s... but the prices have gotten out of control.

Oh, and I tried to build a RST Chevy with the 10spd and 4wd. You can’t get the heavy towing package! Wtf?!?

The RST 6.2L with 10speed is only available with the 3.23 axle ratio and that is the towing killer, honestly even the 3.42 is weak sauce. With 22” rims it’s even worse. Although the RST does appear to tow 8100# which is near max for any suburban package.

With the same transmission, Ford offers the 3.55 ratio, makes a big difference in towing.


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[z28ke]

It will likely be next season before I hook the boat up to the suburban but I will report back on how it tows. My 6.2 Silverado with a 6 speed transmission (and 3.42’s if I recall) does a fine job, so I’m guessing the 6.2 Suburban with a 10 speed and 3.23’s will too.

[larry_arizona]

It will likely be next season before I hook the boat up to the suburban but I will report back on how it tows. My 6.2 Silverado with a 6 speed transmission (and 3.42’s if I recall) does a fine job, so I’m guessing the 6.2 Suburban with a 10 speed and 3.23’s will too.

I have no doubt you will be plenty happy pulling 5700# max (boat and trailer weight) with that Burban.


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[FamilyMan]

I have no doubt you will be plenty happy pulling 5700# max (boat and trailer weight) with that Burban.


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I mostly use the wife's '16 slide esv (8 spd) to tow the Max and it does a solid job. Due to the air suspension have to use a 4" drop ball. Average 9.5 towing when we took it to central Texas. I would estimate its a bit heavier combo than 5700# though.

Believe the boat dry weight is 4400#, add 60ish gallons of fuel (400#) and then in my case 750# lead and looking closer to 7k not including another couple hundred in gear/anchor.

Really looking forward to trading it in for a lightly used navigator with that sweet HO 3.5 in a couple years. Have towed with my fathers plain jane '16 ecoboost 3.5 with just the 6spd and power wise I liked it better than the 6.2 in the slade. Gas mileage is not any better, but similar to a diesel rather than kick down a gear it just spools a bit more boost since at towing speeds you are basically in the fat end of the torque curve.

[rdlangston13]

I mostly use the wife's '16 slide esv (8 spd) to tow the Max and it does a solid job. Due to the air suspension have to use a 4" drop ball. Average 9.5 towing when we took it to central Texas. I would estimate its a bit heavier combo than 5700# though.

Believe the boat dry weight is 4400#, add 60ish gallons of fuel (400#) and then in my case 750# lead and looking closer to 7k not including another couple hundred in gear/anchor.

Really looking forward to trading it in for a lightly used navigator with that sweet HO 3.5 in a couple years. Have towed with my fathers plain jane '16 ecoboost 3.5 with just the 6spd and power wise I liked it better than the 6.2 in the slade. Gas mileage is not any better, but similar to a diesel rather than kick down a gear it just spools a bit more boost since at towing speeds you are basically in the fat end of the torque curve.

Yeah we have a 15 Expedition with the 3.5 and I usually just lock out 6th gear. With the 3.15 rear axle that keeps the rpms right around 2000 at 70 mph and rarely downshifts. If I use 6th the rpms drop to like 1600-1700 and I find it will then down shift to make it up over passes on the freeway. If we had the 3.73 we probably wouldn’t need to lock out 6th. This is with a Mojo that clocked in at 6900 on the Cat Scales


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[z28ke]

My wife got the front windows/windshield tinted and I lowered the rear ~2” with some drop springs and shock relo brackets to level it out. We are really enjoying the suburban! Here’s a pic on the blue ridge parkway from trip to the mountains a couple weeks ago.

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[MJHSupra]

My wife got the front windows/windshield tinted and I lowered the rear ~2” with some drop springs and shock relo brackets to level it out. We are really enjoying the suburban! Here’s a pic on the blue ridge parkway from trip to the mountains a couple weeks ago.

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Good looking rig. Does is sag in the back after it was lowered and you are pulling the boat?

[z28ke]

Good looking rig. Does is sag in the back after it was lowered and you are pulling the boat?

Thank you sir! I haven’t hooked up the boat yet but it shouldn’t with the factory air ride/auto leveling suspension. I made some shorter air ride sensor links to prevent it from raising it back to the stock height after putting in the drop springs. I’ll likely have to make a few adjustments to the length of the links to get it perfect with the boat hooked up, but once it’s right I won’t have to mess with it again.

[MJHSupra]

I knew those rigs had the auto system in them, that is one reason I asked.

Sounds like you have it all worked out.


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[Matt0520]

No boat yet, about to pull the trigger. Knowing that, we picked this up in November. We go about 6 miles from our driveway to local lake/river...5.3L will do just fine. We made sure to get the HD trailering package.

Need to tint front windows still...
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[beat taco]

Now that the wife has to pull the boat occasionally back and forth to LBC we upgraded the 15 yukon.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190122/af5ebc35e112f5425a6ec9c4a56f7528.jpg

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[bergermaister]

^ Nice! How is she liking it? Our Navigator is getting tired and we’ve started weighing options.

[beat taco]

^ Nice! How is she liking it? Our Navigator is getting tired and we’ve started weighing options.We were looking hard at a used 18 expedition max limited but ended up in the platinum esv. I was obviously sold on the EcoBoost for towing and could've gone either way. In the end the Cadillac won her over. We'll have to wait and see how it tows but it should be a nice upgrade over the shorter wheelbase 5.3 it replaced. I get tired of waiting for her up hills, I wish I could just hook the boat to the back of my fifth wheel!

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[Broke Pilot]

Beautiful Escalade. Can never go wrong with black!
And how cool would it be to have a gooseneck wake boat trailer?!? The powerboat guys do it mainly out of necessity, but if it was an option I’d take it!

[Matt0520]

Making progress this winter, boat ordered...windows tinted on the tow vehicle https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190125/dd49e1e42ef2def56f5447b080c788fe.jpg


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[Matt0520]

Now that the wife has to pull the boat occasionally back and forth to LBC we upgraded the 15 yukon.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190122/af5ebc35e112f5425a6ec9c4a56f7528.jpg

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Love it! We drove the Expedition and Navigator and preferred them in almost every way. But we had same thoughts about motor.


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[haknslash]

Wow y'all have some really nice trucks! Make my little old 2010 F150 FX2 feel so lonely :D

Any of you guys with 2WD trucks towing with 305/40R22's? If so what psi are you putting your tires at? I usually run lower psi for a smoother ride and better wear. They do fine pulling our little 19' Yamaha boat but wondering how they will do with the much heavier Max and tandem axle trailer.

Here's mine (disregard fuel door missing heh)...

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[larry_arizona]

Wow y'all have some really nice trucks! Make my little old 2010 F150 FX2 feel so lonely :D

Any of you guys with 2WD trucks towing with 305/40R22's? If so what psi are you putting your tires at? I usually run lower psi for a smoother ride and better wear. They do fine pulling our little 19' Yamaha boat but wondering how they will do with the much heavier Max and tandem axle trailer.

Here's mine (disregard fuel door missing heh)...

http://i.imgur.com/T6miMvG.jpg

Nice truck!!! Despite F150’s and their underrated bumper integrated class3 5000# max factory hitches......lol

5000# doesn’t pull too many legit wake boats


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[haknslash]

Yea I was surprised when you let me know. So much for slick marketing they do huh? :D

Thanks about the truck. I bought it in 2012 with 23k miles on it. About to roll 189k miles and it has been a good truck despite a replaced tranny at 49k. Thankfully it was covered under warranty. Needs a new O2 sensor replaced before the boat comes in. Unfortunately it's the worst side and one to replace so I am just going to let an exhaust shop do it. I have no idea how the bank 1 passenger side O2 was ever installed!

[twkoehn]

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2015 Yukon. We have REALLY enjoyed this vehicle and it pulls the boat very well, although we don’t pull it very far and don’t have any mountains or even hills to deal with.


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[z28ke]

I’ve been getting mighty jealous looking at my wife’s new suburban in the garage so I figured it was time to update the looks of my 2010 Silverado 1500 6.2L. I still love my truck and plan on keeping it as long as possible, and a couple grand is way cheaper than a new one lol

It’s time for new tires before my next inspection so why not go with 22’s and 33x12.50 muds?!?!

I’m doing a small (3.5”) lift kit, hopefully that comes in Friday so I can slap it on Sunday.

Also going to black out all the emblems/badges and remove the faded side moulding.

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My wife helped with the new badges on the tailgate last night. She is “detail oriented” like most women so I figured this was right up her alley hahaha

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I’ll post up some pictures once everything is done but I’m excited about the project and wanted to share lol

[Shoebox]

I’ve been getting mighty jealous looking at my wife’s new suburban in the garage so I figured it was time to update the looks of my 2010 Silverado 1500 6.2L. I still love my truck and plan on keeping it as long as possible, and a couple grand is way cheaper than a new one lol

It’s time for new tires before my next inspection so why not go with 22’s and 33x12.50 muds?!?!

I’m doing a small (3.5”) lift kit, hopefully that comes in Friday so I can slap it on Sunday.

Also going to black out all the emblems/badges and remove the faded side moulding.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190220/4b4c6261a6ece5284b5bd241f328f4db.jpg

My wife helped with the new badges on the tailgate last night. She is “detail oriented” like most women so I figured this was right up her alley hahaha

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I’ll post up some pictures once everything is done but I’m excited about the project and wanted to share lol33s on 22s? Sorry, but [emoji2961]

[larry_arizona]

I’ve been getting mighty jealous looking at my wife’s new suburban in the garage so I figured it was time to update the looks of my 2010 Silverado 1500 6.2L. I still love my truck and plan on keeping it as long as possible, and a couple grand is way cheaper than a new one lol

It’s time for new tires before my next inspection so why not go with 22’s and 33x12.50 muds?!?!

I’m doing a small (3.5”) lift kit, hopefully that comes in Friday so I can slap it on Sunday.

Also going to black out all the emblems/badges and remove the faded side moulding.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190220/4b4c6261a6ece5284b5bd241f328f4db.jpg

My wife helped with the new badges on the tailgate last night. She is “detail oriented” like most women so I figured this was right up her alley hahaha

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190220/1853ee44dff372ac2cfd61f7a855e349.jpg

I’ll post up some pictures once everything is done but I’m excited about the project and wanted to share lol

That will kill your towing capacity


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[haknslash]

Anyone on here with a 2009-2014 F150 that had factory tow package? I’ve been speaking with Larry about this issue but he has a 2015+ truck. My factory hitch is a class 3 and it is not rated for the new boat and trailer so I need to upgrade to a class 4 hitch. The problem is my bumper is made to bolt to the factory hitch and then they bolt together to the frame. I want to know if I can just cut out my factory hitch, leaving the bumper mounting sections, and then use an aftermarket Class 4 hitch in its place. My father has a weight distributing setup he is not using but I’m not a big fan of having to use the arms on the trailer and have to unhook them when I want to back up or go down the ramp.

I went to Curt mfg site they don't show they offer the lower hitch for my 2010. They only go back to the 2015. TorkLift makes one that will go under my factory hitch but it’s like $630!!! I don’t care if I can cut out my factory and use this one https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Hitch/Ford/F-150/2010/C14002.html?vehicleid=2010308409

[larry_arizona]

Ford really screwed this up on F150’s, 5000# hitches won’t cut it.

Granted wake boats certainly have become heavier in recent years and challenge truck OEM’s for picking a hitch for the masses.

But why advertise a truck that can tow over 10,000# and give it a factory class 3 hitch without a factory class 4 option, you Ford owners I am sure are aware of the bumper intergrated hitch design.

I had to use a class 4 curt hitch setup that fits around and below factory class 3. Looks retarded I know.......

On a 2015+ You can buy from ford the hitchless bumper support option from the dealer which allows you to use many aftermarket class 4 hitches. You can also simply cut the 2” square receiver off the factory hitch too.



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GM at least uses class 4 hitches

I would not even consider a WDH for a boat. Wrong application.


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[haknslash]

Apparently it’s not just Ford that did this. In my quest for tackling this issue I ran across some older Dodge trucks that had a similar design. Baffles my mind why they did this! I also found out you can get a class IV hitch on a ford but requires a different heavy duty tow package that I think is only offerered on 4x4 or FX4 trucks and not a 2WD FX2 option. My next truck will not have a factory tow package unless it’s Class IV or higher that’s for sure. Looking closely at the Curt hitch I linked above I think I can make it work just fine. I just need to cut off the factory hitch cross bar and leave the brackets for mounting the the bumper. I will know more once it stops raining sometime next week at this rate. At least this gives me a little project to do while waiting for the new boat lol.

[larry_arizona]

Apparently it’s not just Ford that did this. In my quest for tackling this issue I ran across some older Dodge trucks that had a similar design. Baffles my mind why they did this! I also found out you can get a class IV hitch on a ford but requires a different heavy duty tow package that I think is only offerered on 4x4 or FX4 trucks and not a 2WD FX2 option. My next truck will not have a factory tow package unless it’s Class IV or higher that’s for sure. Looking closely at the Curt hitch I linked above I think I can make it work just fine. I just need to cut off the factory hitch cross bar and leave the brackets for mounting the the bumper. I will know more once it stops raining sometime next week at this rate. At least this gives me a little project to do while waiting for the new boat lol.

Even the 2015+ max tow package on the F150 is still class 3. My brother has that package on his F150 and it’s still class 3 5000# max 500# tongue weight.




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[RC_Hinojosa]

Apparently it’s not just Ford that did this. In my quest for tackling this issue I ran across some older Dodge trucks that had a similar design. Baffles my mind why they did this! I also found out you can get a class IV hitch on a ford but requires a different heavy duty tow package that I think is only offerered on 4x4 or FX4 trucks and not a 2WD FX2 option. My next truck will not have a factory tow package unless it’s Class IV or higher that’s for sure. Looking closely at the Curt hitch I linked above I think I can make it work just fine. I just need to cut off the factory hitch cross bar and leave the brackets for mounting the the bumper. I will know more once it stops raining sometime next week at this rate. At least this gives me a little project to do while waiting for the new boat lol.Hit the sweet spot with a 3/4 ton truck...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190220/1b0e31ace0d2198c477fbf07c846ce22.jpg

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[larry_arizona]

Sweet F250 for sure. I just personally resist a 3/4 ton because daily driving them suck. Rough ride. Had a 3/4 GM and would not daily that again.

I got my F150 cured to tow 7200#, just took some doing to get there.


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[RC_Hinojosa]

Sweet F250 for sure. I just personally resist a 3/4 ton because daily driving them suck. Rough ride. Had a 3/4 GM and would not daily that again.

I got my F150 cured to tow 7200#, just took some doing to get there.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat's interesting to hear...3/4 ton GMs have IFS so you'd think they'd be great as a daily.

Even with a solid front axle I daily my F250.

My last 3 DD's were 3/4.....2000, 2013 & 2017. I will admit there was a large improvement in drivability when they finally switched from leafs to coils but I've never been under the assumption they'd float over pavement like a RR Wraith.




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[Shoebox]

That's interesting to hear...3/4 ton GMs have IFS so you'd think they'd be great as a daily.
They are. I have a 2015 Chevy 1-ton as a daily driver. Rides as well as my old 2005 Titan. Fords and Dodges, on the other hand...

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[haknslash]

Even the 2015+ max tow package on the F150 is still class 3. My brother has that package on his F150 and it’s still class 3 5000# max 500# tongue weight.




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That’s strange because a guy on the jetboating forum says his FX4 came with a class IV tow package. Of course he could be full of it for all I know lol.

[Matt0520]

That’s strange because a guy on the jetboating forum says his FX4 came with a class IV tow package. Of course he could be full of it for all I know lol.

Riddle me this. 2017 Yukon w max tow (8500lb capacity). Yet my hitch has 5,000lbs stamped on it. Read your hitches, a lot are rated under advertised limit. No idea why.


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[RC_Hinojosa]

They are. I have a 2015 Chevy 1-ton as a daily driver. Rides as well as my old 2005 Titan. Fords and Dodges, on the other hand...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190220/96328bacde0acbfd8cf0b233a24e08cd.jpgAwww....that's cute. My wife's Altima has IFS too, there should be a club or something [emoji57]

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[larry_arizona]

Riddle me this. 2017 Yukon w max tow (8500lb capacity). Yet my hitch has 5,000lbs stamped on it. Read your hitches, a lot are rated under advertised limit. No idea why.


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Just imagine how many never even bother to look..... I predict many a wake boat owner is overloading their hitch.

I actually educated the local Ford dealership owner, he had been towing his nautique on his 5000# hitch, only a matter of time. He was shocked.

Wonder if insurance would be denied if you were improperly towing.


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[Shoebox]

Awww....that's cute. My wife's Altima has IFS too, there should be a club or something [emoji57]

Sent from my Note9 using TapatalkHa! Let me know when your wife's Altima, or that cute little f250 for that matter, can handle this. [emoji13]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190220/8af8b5b9733af75b1d20b23f3b06e82f.jpg

[TXSurf4]

This is a really interesting find with the under specd hitches.......I am not sure what year it changed but I just built an F-150 online and you can get it with a Class IV hitch from the factory. I messed around with the Online Builder to see if it was dependent on the trim package or anything else and you can add it to any of them in fact it looked like the only hitch you can add is a Class IV. I currently have a 250 so I am not worried about it but have been considering getting back into a 150 in the future.

[RC_Hinojosa]

Ha! Let me know when your wife's Altima, or that cute little f250 for that matter, can handle this. [emoji13]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190220/8af8b5b9733af75b1d20b23f3b06e82f.jpgThey can handle it as soon as you can lock your front differential [emoji16]

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[Shoebox]

They can handle it as soon as you can lock your front differential [emoji16]

Sent from my Note9 using TapatalkNo need. If I want to do that, I'll get a Jeep.

[larry_arizona]

This is a really interesting find with the under specd hitches.......I am not sure what year it changed but I just built an F-150 online and you can get it with a Class IV hitch from the factory. I messed around with the Online Builder to see if it was dependent on the trim package or anything else and you can add it to any of them in fact it looked like the only hitch you can add is a Class IV. I currently have a 250 so I am not worried about it but have been considering getting back into a 150 in the future.

Couldn’t get a class 4 factory on 2015-2018 even on max tow package. Glad Ford woke up in 2019!!!


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[TXSurf4]

Couldn’t get a class 4 factory on 2015-2018 even on max tow package. Glad Ford woke up in 2019!!!


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Ya it is pretty crazy! I wonder how many people out there are not aware of this......

[Matt0520]

Just imagine how many never even bother to look..... I predict many a wake boat owner is overloading their hitch.

I actually educated the local Ford dealership owner, he had been towing his nautique on his 5000# hitch, only a matter of time. He was shocked.

Wonder if insurance would be denied if you were improperly towing.


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I can’t believe GM can get away with that from a liability standpoint. How can they advertise a capacity without outfitting the truck to match it? Trucks are same apparently, 1500s are at least.

Anyway, in laws have a quarter horse farm and our GM dealer also sells us trailers and all that. He said the hitch stamp is more used to calculate tongue weight and that’s the important number (500#) that’s listed there. He said none of his customers upgrade the hitch. Either way, confusing.


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[rdlangston13]

In the case of the Yukon being rated at 8500# capacity and only 5000# on the hitch is you are probably looking at the weight carrying capacity. Weight distribution on the same receiver could be double what the weight carrying is.

I know my Expedition is rated for 600# tongue weight and 6000# trailer weight weight carrying but it’s rated at 920# tongue weight and 9200# trailer weight using a weight distributing hitch.

The Yukon can probably tow 8500# with that receiver if it is using a weight distribution set up. This also applies to the F150s. It would be nice to have like 750# tongue and 7500# trailer weight or so with a weight carrying set up though.


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[larry_arizona]

I can’t believe GM can get away with that from a liability standpoint. How can they advertise a capacity without outfitting the truck to match it? Trucks are same apparently, 1500s are at least.

Anyway, in laws have a quarter horse farm and our GM dealer also sells us trailers and all that. He said the hitch stamp is more used to calculate tongue weight and that’s the important number (500#) that’s listed there. He said none of his customers upgrade the hitch. Either way, confusing.


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Rule #1 never take anything a car dealer says as fact.

WDH will increase capacity no doubt, but that in not in play for a boat.

Towing a wake boat (or anything else for that matter) just requires understanding your equipment and getting facts from equipment experts/engineering. It’s the owners responsibility.

Sadly many out there will never make the effort to do the research and tow blindly at risk. Endangering their families and others.




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[Shoebox]

Good info on the various classes here:

https://www.drawtite-hitches.com/learning_center/general-towing-classes

GM 1-ton has class V.

[rdlangston13]

Good info on the various classes here:

https://www.drawtite-hitches.com/learning_center/general-towing-classes

GM 1-ton has class V.

I thinmk ford 3/4 ton and 1 ton also come standard with a class 5 2 1/2" receiver

[Broke Pilot]

Ram does too. My 2500 has a class V, they’re even nice enough to give you a reducer if you don’t wanna buy a new hitch! Lol how could you pass up a deal like that?!?
Honestly I think y’all are worrying for nothing. I don’t know where these ratings come from, it’s just odd to me. My parents towed a 30’ bumper pull steel horse trailer all over the country with me and my sister to rodeos with a 1.5” shank, 2” 5000# ball ON THE BUMPER of a 1980 GMC 1 ton. Those old trucks don’t have near the capability of all this new technology. If that welded chunk of 2” square tube with 4-6 bolts directly into the frame can’t handle a 7000# boat on wheels, I’d be more than surprised.
I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but from an engineering stand point, it doesn’t add up that the hitches can’t handle it.

[larry_arizona]

As an Engineer, I can assure you that the hitch rating was established by SAE specification J684.

There is safety factor, but, typically I would not want to rely upon that factor towing a mortgage or my family.





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[Shoebox]

It's a liability issue. Can it handle it? Sure - until it doesn't. Then who pays for the damage?

[RC_Hinojosa]

LOL!!! It's 5:45am and y'all are still going at it [emoji23]

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[rdlangston13]

I’m sure it’s like our pressure treating equipment at work. It’s rated for 15,000 psi working pressure but the manufacturer tests it to 22500 psi. If we are using it and it sees over 15,750 psi it is removed from service and destroyed. Can it take 15,750 psi? Sure, but if it fails the liability is too great.

That being said, I exceed the receiver capacity on the Expedition. Rated for 6,000 lbs and the Mojo clocks in at 6,900


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[Shoebox]

LOL!!! It's 5:45am and y'all are still going at it [emoji23]

Sent from my Note9 using TapatalkIt's not 545 everywhere. And yet here you are.. [emoji23]

[RC_Hinojosa]

It's not 545 everywhere. And yet here you are.. [emoji23]Hey, I may be a millennial snowflake but aside from a swift leather belt, my father instilled a strong work ethic. I'm heading to my office....[emoji851]

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[rdlangston13]

8 am where I am!


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[larry_arizona]

I don’t mean to preach, simply sharing the facts.

What everyone does with facts are up to them.

It’s kinda like seatbelts......fact is they save lives, yet some people still refuse to wear them......




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[larry_arizona]

8 am where I am!


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You somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean??


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