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Thread: Makai hitch question
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01-21-2021, 10:39 AM #21
I think the difference in tongue design between heavy load trailers and boat trailers would make properly installing a WDH problematic. The triangle of the tongue anchors the pitman arms, whereas boat trailers do not have that triangle. The angle between pitman arms is a necessary component of the system as it provides flex and rigidity, as well as steering angle.
Add to the problem the swing-tongue weak point are the hinge and keeper pin eyes. I think a WDH set up would put too much strain on those components.2020 SA 450 Wife calls it White Cloud. Said it makes her feel "Classy"
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01-21-2021, 10:50 AM #22Senior Member
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I do get the concern Boatmate has with surge brakes but I have not had a problem with that on multiple trailers with surge brakes. Electric over hydraulic solves that problem anyway. They have WD adapters for straight tongue trailers.
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01-21-2021, 10:58 AM #23
Perhaps air springs help keep weight on the front axle.
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01-21-2021, 11:20 AM #24Junior Member
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If the only reason not to have a WDH is the surge brakes then the EOH brake system should eliminate that issue. I have pulled several enclosed trailers and flat bed trailers with 10K+ loads with WDH and never had an issue with backing up. On the enclosed trailer you did have to disengage the sway control to backup. Did not have sway control on the flat bed trailer. Was not planning on adding a sway bar to the boat trailer.
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01-21-2021, 11:24 AM #25Junior Member
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01-21-2021, 11:28 AM #26
EOH is new to boatmate as an available option for Supra/Moomba, I think it started 2020 or 2021
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01-21-2021, 11:40 AM #27
My next boat trailer will have EOH brakes. I’ve had hell putting backing my boat into my driveway and at one certain ramp because they are both uphill, and the surge brakes engage. I have a lockout tool, but it only stays on about half the time. I’d much rather have EOH with the grades I pull. Similar to what Sandm describes.
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01-21-2021, 12:12 PM #28
I think that would be true making front brakes more effective. Also better for night driving.
I had a bicyclist whip out in front of me this past season. I was running about 40mph. Was really impressed with how quickly everything stopped. I have a 1/2 ton with air bags pulling an SA. Scared the hell out of me. Bicyclist never looked up or heard 8 tires locked up. Guess music was good.
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01-22-2021, 01:16 AM #292020 Moomba Mojo
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01-22-2021, 09:23 AM #30
Coming from someone who pulls with an expedition and has done the drive from Missouri to Texas and back before I think you will be fine. Granted my mojo is not has heavy as a makai, we are at 6940 lbs with 560 lb tongue weight loaded for the lake and were more than that on out way to missouri due to all the luggage for the trip being in the boat. We also had 6 people in the expedition. Main thing is just watch your speed and give yourself plenty of space for stopping. You may want to look into sumo springs for the expedition to help with the load. And like it has been mentioned, if you want a WDH then they are available for pole tongue trailers.
In regards to air bags, the weight transferred back to the front axle via air bags i would think it negligible. You're still using the rear axle a fulcrum for all the weight, air bags do not change that like a WDH does.
I have a 2018 F150 that has the same power train as your expedition so one thing I do recommend is locking out 9th and 10th gear while towing. Maybe 8th too depending on hills and such.David
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