2023 Boat Shows

[HFarr]

This is where I bought my Moomba new. They have several used Supras for sale. A couple of SE models as well.

https://atlantamarine.com/

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[Holdmybeer]

I honestly can't believe a 2022 23lsv MSRP is $210k.

I would shop a low hour Supra.

Supra has more content/features at the less MSRP, you just won't get a 30% discount


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I have issues with all pricing right now TBH.
The $210k price point is the same as a new SL450. The fact BU dealer can offer 30% off and still make money is crazy. New Supra pricing is the same. $200k for SL450 with same competitive options...out the door price is $168k range...18% discount.

Im more siding with Mxmark4....the more I sit on it the more I will keep my mojo. Yeah, it's older but that $500 payment is 2 years old and only have 4 more years left...that $1k bill is 20yrs and that is ridiculous.

[KnoxMojo]

I wont spend over 500/month on anything other than a house. Call me cheap but I can have a lot of fun on 500/mo. For 150k you could probably have a new or near new Supra like Larry says.

I was like that with my first few wake boats and even the SA, longer term with lower payment. Then got tired of not seeing my balance drop much. When boat prices went nuts and I knew that we'd probably have this 1 a long time, I refinanced to a crazy low rate but 7 year term. Yes, the payment is steep, but a few more years and it'll be paid off. Lucky I did, inflation with prices and rates, couldn't even think about buying new again.

[mgswake]

We fell in love with a Nautique S23 at the show. It was $184k at 20% off. If we could be at %30 off, I think we would buy it.

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Just curious what made you fall in love with the S23? What tower did that boat have at the show?

I demo'd the S21 and S23 back in August of 2021 when they first came out and loved them. I actually had my checkbook at the second demo, but the dealer didn't give me numbers that day and instead emailed them to me later.

I loved how they drove and handled, I would say a good bit more maneuverable than my SL.

I had just moved from up north to South Carolina and the new dealer was only offering 8% where my old dealer would constantly offer 18-20% when I priced boats. So my well optioned S23 with underwater lights, telescoping tower, heater, heated seats, and courtesy lights was 212,000 MSRP, 192,000 sale price. 18-20% would have put me near 170,000-172,000. I would have bought the Nautique than and there for that price. I expressed that to the dealer and they basically laughed at me and said 192,000 and a 1,000 pro shop credit. Thus, I found the nearby Supra dealer and demo'd an SA and the rest is history.

A quick comparison:

Overall looks, personal preference but I think the less boxy lines of the Supra look cleaner.

Bow - The S23 does not have armrests or hinged bow seats. My SL has hinged seats and armrests. The wind screen/seat back on the SL is an amazing feature that I don't believe any other manufacturer has.

Cockpit - The S23 has one sub, Supra 2 subs. The helm seat is very similar, my Supra is power seat, I don't think the S23 is power. The Supra has 2 screens, the Nautiques have 1 unless you get a Paragon. I like the two screens so I can have my map up and other info on the other screen. The helm control dial on the Nautiques is a cool feature Supra doesn't have. The Supra has port and flip up seatback and fixed starboard seatback (which provides awesome area to store large trashcan and access if you put it in the cupholder which I did). The S23 has port and starboard flip up seatbacks. Also, the sliding seat on my Supra flips over for a table, S23 doesn't.

Cooler - Supra IN THE FLOOR, S23 under the starboard seat. I was on a boat this summer a Malibu MXZ 24 and we had 14 people on it. It was a pain having people get up and climb across each other to access the cooler. I'll take my in floor cooler any day on the Supra.

Transom - Supra has the seats on the sunpad with flip up backrests, S23 has them built lower into the transom. This is a personal preference and I like both designs. The S23 doesn't have the full locker on the back which the Supra does, I love this feature for storing surf boards and lake toys for my little ones. But the best use i s wet life jackets, they don't even make it into the boat!!

Towers - the telescoping tower is amazing on the S23. It was also a 25k option 1.5 years ago. But we got caught in a rain storm and lowered the tower and there were 7 of us and not a drop of water came in the cockpit area. I have heard you can tilt the Supra tower forward with the bimini deployed and protect some people in a Supra from rain. The Supra tower is definitely nicer than the non telescoping towers on the Nautique. I guess the telecoping tower vs the Supra tower woud be personal preference.

Personally, at the S23 prices I would buy a 2020 or newer used G23. You get so many more features. I started a thread on planetnautique about how I think the S series was mispriced. I think Nautique wants too much for that boat because like I mentioned you can get a 2-3 year old G (still under warranty) for very similar prinig to a new S series and the G will blow it out of the water in features. Just checked onlyinboards, 2 2020 G23 159,900. lowest 2021 179000.

I did like the wakeboard wake with the 100" beam. It was a bit narrower than my SL. It was probably the best wake I have ridden in a long time. I am still only 21 hours into my SL so I am still dialing the wakeboard wake in.

Honestly, if you were considering spending that kind of coin on a boat, I would recommend pricing Supra.

[cucv]

@mgswake thanks for your detailed response, I will surely read it several times and take notes.
We all use our boats differently so some things that are important to one are not to another but I appreciate the input from all on this forum as often there are thing we don't realize will be important to us.
We have a place on a lake so we don't spend the whole day on our boat. We ski off the dock and are on and off the dock all the time, so storage is not a huge factor for us.
We currently have a 05 Tige 22V with a DIY surf system (tabs and gates) that surfs excellent and we are really in the market for a Mojo. We demo'd a Mojo late last summer and really liked the boat. The Mojo was louder than our Tige and surf wave wasn't as good as our Tige but I know with some R+D it has lots of potential.
With the current interest rates, it makes things a bit more challenging, especially when it comes to a custom order boat vs. in stock.
I just squeezed in an 8'6' x 10' garage door on our existing 28' deep garage at the lake and stopped in to talk to the Nautique folk to review specs. on the Paragon for an additional garage bay, I'd like to try and put on the garage. I figure if I build it, maybe some day I could get a Paragon.
In discussions with the Factory rep we noticed the S23 and the boat just checked all the boxes and was exactly how we would custom order it. So the financing thing is simpler and the S23 fits in our existing garage bay.
When we demo'ed the Mojo we looked at the SL but at that point with minimal discounting it just didn't capture our attention. We did look at the SL at the show but the colors and how it was optioned was not right for us and they don't have anything in stock close to how we would order it.

Maneuverability: the factory rep also highlighted this point about the S23 as well as other handling points that I value vs the G boat.

Tower: The S23 had the standard tower which works for me and enables the boat to fit in my existing garage vs the G boat with telescoping tower (super cool but I don't need it.)

Bow: I tend to prefer traditional bow style and don't put a huge value on bow space. The SL backrest wind screen is super nice!

Cockpit: 1 sub is fine for us. Both seats are such an upgrade from our existing boat I don't get into that detail, but surely will, as a power seat would be a nice option. I don't put much value on the table, but the SL table is sweet.

Cooler: A cooler is not important to us, but yes, the subfloor cooler on the SL is better than one under seat.

Transom: We absolutely love the walk thru transom on the S23. We also love the full locker on the SL.

Tower: Our main criteria is ease of access to board the boat from the dock. I believe they both do this equally well, vs. other mfg's. I think I need to spend more time looking at the tower and Bimini options on both boats.

Engine: I found the Raptor engine on Mojo to be loud. I'm thinking the PCM in the S23 would be quieter, and the factory rep indicated it runs at lower rpm's than the G boat at surf speed. More research is to be done on this point.

The Nautique dealer has a location in town (lake house) but it's geared toward pontoon boats. The Nautique location is 12 miles away and on our way home from the lake. The Moomba/Supra Dealer is an hour away (lake house), can have significant traffic on that route, and is in the opposite direction from home.




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[mgswake]

@cucv

All good points. This forum tends to be more open to other brands than some of the other brand specific forums, but still tends to lean toward SC brands (Moomba and Supra). I probably would have been in an S23 if the dealer could work with me on pricing but I am not and I am very happy with my SL.

The engine noise is interesting. I have been on the S21, S23, and I own a Supra SL. I couldn't tell any difference in noise. I actually had a friend out wakeboarding and he commented on how quiet the engine was. His exact words were "all I could hear was water splashing". That was at wakeboard length about 65-70 feet. But that same friend rides I/O, malibu, and a few others for comparison.

The Supra have a noise dampening lining that I don't believe the Moomba's have, so that Mojo may have been louder.

You really should try to get the boat on the water and see if you like how it handles, drives, the wake and wave, the noise. If you can.

Also, if you are anywhere near Columbia SC, you are welcome to come ride on our SL for a day.

Can't go wrong with any of these boats they are all super nice.

[cucv]

Thanks for the offer, @mgswake. I'll surely look you up if I get in the area.

What are folks seeing for prices on SL's? The one I saw at the show was $174k but no thrusters.

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[cozilla]

@cucv $174k? Cheapest at our show was 190k. Would he interested to know what people are getting their new SLs for. Obviously options play a big part in the price.

[larry_arizona]

The sound deadening foam and surf pipe makes a huge difference in engine noise.

Very easy and cheap to add sound deadening foam panels.


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[MJHSupra]

@cucv $174k? Cheapest at our show was 190k. Would he interested to know what people are getting their new SLs for. Obviously options play a big part in the price.

True.

450 motor, thrusters, and being a repeat customer are big factors on comparing price.