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    Quote Originally Posted by larry_arizona View Post
    Because everything is bigger in Texas!!!!


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    HAHAHA!! Facts!!

    Quote Originally Posted by dakota4ce View Post
    575s are so damned awesome. I would take one in SL or SE every time.


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    How did you feel with the 450 in your SL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXSurf4 View Post
    HAHAHA!! Facts!!



    How did you feel with the 450 in your SL?
    It was fine, adequate. But my buddies with a 550 is poetic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dakota4ce View Post
    2 different year boats, 2 unknown props, 2 different transmission ratios, very possibly two totally different ballast setups (3200 vs 4000 vs who knows), and two different above seat bow ballast setups, and possible false manufacturer information.

    One clear winner.

    Got it.




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    So the 2019 and 2020 have different transmission ratios? That changes everything and I'll concede. I thought they were both 1.7x. No doubt the 2020 is a 1.7 which would confirm the transmission being more important than motor in this boat. I was able to make a 400 with a 1.7 trans perform as good or better than a 450 with a 1.5 transmission. The differences in the ballast placement should have only favored the 450. That didn't matter.

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    Default Raptor 400 VS 450

    Skiers choice changed from 1.5 to 1.76 mid year 2019 on the 450’s only.

    2020 the 400 and 450’s got the 1.76.

    The 550 stayed 1.5 as it doesn’t need the ratio.


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    Default Raptor 400 VS 450

    Quote Originally Posted by UNSTUCK View Post
    So the 2019 and 2020 have different transmission ratios? That changes everything and I'll concede. I thought they were both 1.7x. No doubt the 2020 is a 1.7 which would confirm the transmission being more important than motor in this boat. I was able to make a 400 with a 1.7 trans perform as good or better than a 450 with a 1.5 transmission. The differences in the ballast placement should have only favored the 450. That didn't matter.
    Also, there were 2 ballast configurations in available in those boats—3200 or 4000. You would need to know what you had in this case also.

    There’s no doubt the trans is vital, and that a 400 with the new trans is a good setup. But if all else is equal, the 450 would do better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by larry_arizona View Post
    Skiers choice changed from 1.5 to 1.76 mid year 2019 on the 450’s only.

    2020 the 400 and 450’s got the 1.76.

    The 550 stayed 1.5 as it doesn’t need the ratio.


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    I believe the mid year on the 450s was only on the Supra side of things. I believe MY 2019 Moombas with the 450 all had the 1.76. My spray date was in Feb of 2019 and my 450 has the 1.76 and I know Dakota4ce's 450 had the 1.76 as well and his was built in 2018. TBH for me one of the big deciding factors in going with the 450 in my 2019 was getting the 1.76 transmission. To me that was worth the $ alone the extra HP and Torque was just lagniappe.
    2019 Makai - Raptor 450

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNSTUCK View Post
    So the 2019 and 2020 have different transmission ratios?
    Depends on which year had which motor.

    In the 2019 Moombas the 400 had the 1.5 and the 450 had the 1.76

    In 2020 as Larry stated both the 400 and 450 got the 1.76
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXSurf4 View Post
    I believe the mid year on the 450s was only on the Supra side of things. I believe MY 2019 Moombas with the 450 all had the 1.76. My spray date was in Feb of 2019 and my 450 has the 1.76 and I know Dakota4ce's 450 had the 1.76 as well and his was built in 2018. TBH for me one of the big deciding factors in going with the 450 in my 2019 was getting the 1.76 transmission. To me that was worth the $ alone the extra HP and Torque was just lagniappe.
    Except: that was Makai ONLY.


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    As I recall, the Makai was rolled out by itself as a 450/1.76 combo, whereas other models, both Supra and Moomba, were phased in as referenced earlier regardless of 450 motor.

    In other words, a 2019 Max with a 450 could be a 1.5 or a 1.76 depending when it was built.

    Clear as MUD.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dakota4ce View Post
    As I recall, the Makai was rolled out by itself as a 450/1.76 combo, whereas other models, both Supra and Moomba, were phased in as referenced earlier regardless of 450 motor.

    In other words, a 2019 Max with a 450 could be a 1.5 or a 1.76 depending when it was built.

    Clear as MUD.


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    That is good to know I thought it was straight across the board for Moomba but I guess that is because I was only looking at the Makai.
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