Flow 3.0 - Is it good?

[dakota4ce]

Damn, was really hoping 2021 Max would have Flow 3.0 as a standard option. Wondering why they'd tease you with such high potential in displacement (vs. Craz/Mojo/Kaiyen) but then limit some aspect of the surfing? I've attached a spec sheet I made for the 2020 models, where I compare all the publicized spec info. (I didn't include fuel weight but it only varies by about 200lbs from Helix to SupraSE.)

Model	Ballast (std)	Ballast (opt)	Length	Pass. Weight	Boat Weight	Boat + Pass. + Ballast
Helix	2400	2800	20'5"	2000	4000	8800
Max	3200	4000	22'6"	2800	4500	11300
Craz	3000		22'	2400	4200	9600
Mojo	3000		23'	2500	4400	9900
Kaiyen	3700		21'5"	2100	4500	10300
Makai	4000		24'5"	2500	5200	11700
SupraSR	3300		20'11"	2200	4950	10450
SupraSA	3500		22'5"	2400	5800	11700
SupraSL	3500		23'5"	2500	5600	11600
SupraSE	4100		24'5"	2800	6150	13050

It’s not an ultimate potential limit, but it’s a user friendliness limit.


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[Hayden]

It’s not an ultimate potential limit, but it’s a user friendliness limit.

To be clear, you're suggesting, they've not added Flow3 to Max because it adds another level of complexity and they want to keep it simple for their 2nd most affordable boat? Less things to worry about on screen?

When you look at total displacement of boat+pass.+ballast, Max is the odd one out there. All the others fall in line, more or less. More cash gets you more displacement (amongst other things). I've listed the table form lowest to highest priced MSRP.

I think they'd corner the market on people shopping 2021's who want, "the best surf wave/experience possible for the least amount of money", if they gave Max the Flow3 option.

If you can add the DIY option, I'd bet there's a lot of folks who would follow in your footsteps.

[dakota4ce]

Yeah—I guess! For $700 I am adding ballast to my max to take it to 5300# of water. Pretty cheap. It will be dope even without Flow 3.

You do need the 7” screen to do the 3.0.


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[Isaguel]

PS. Ipsilateral, contralateral.... I'll believe you are not in engineering....but going to go with healthcare professional, haha

You are correct. I guess these terms get used so often in my profession one assumes they’re more mainstream.


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[2in2out]

You are correct. I guess these terms get used so often in my profession one assumes they’re more mainstream.


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I was riding the rails you were laying down. I actually enjoyed seeing those terms.

[Bigswede]

New guy here, but wake9 just posted a video on how the difference between the two systems.

[MJHSupra]

New guy here, but wake9 just posted a video on how the difference between the two systems.

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread....the-2021-Makai

[SONIC]

Anybody have any insight on why Supra and Moomba use different systems?

Flow 2.0 vs Swell 3.0, sure a lot less cost there without the bracketry for the swell setup, but adding a second set of actuators (along with the warranty issues that will bring) is surely pricier than the swell bracket.

I assume it's to keep the supra tech and wave a little advanced over the moomba?

[996scott]

I've wondered that as well. My conclusion was like yours, probably to keep Supra a step ahead of Moomba.

[dakota4ce]

I've wondered that as well. My conclusion was like yours, probably to keep Supra a step ahead of Moomba.

Discussing this with some internal folks on the Moomba side—-they think Flow is better. Not sure why the 2 different silos, but they sure don’t think Swell 3 > Flow 3 with regard to effectiveness.

In the end they both do the same thing.


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