2019 SE push?

[Arcadyus]

No lead. It was a bone stock demo boat driven by the salesman at the boat dealership. But 4000 lbs of ballast is a bunch, right?

How much would some lead change things?

That boat holds 2800lbs over stock ballast, so no 400lbs is not a lot for a boat that size. 1000lbs of lead will make a very big difference.

[MJHSupra]

With most posts I've read on the SL and SE, people appear to be adding 800 or 1000# with a smaller crew.

Wake9 just did a video (part 1 of 2, not sure if they made part 2) of their new SE550 for this year. They had a SL550 as their previous model (last year). The summary was, they loved the SL, but once they rode the SE, they claim that exceeded the SL. SL had a more smooth transition, but the SE had more power, speed, and firmness.

The guy can really dial in a Supra Boat.

Plus they also have some good discussions on:
* Autowake On vs Autowake Off.
* Stock vs 1000# ballast
* Where they placed the ballast

Their kids ride really well. Plus they have some bigger people riding.

https://wake9.com/featured-videos/

[ChuckB]

Ok, thanks for all the help. Maybe the boat wasn't set up the best way or something too. G23 with just 4 total adults (including the driver) and no additional lead or anything has a powerful wave and I didn't experience that with the SE and just 3 of us. He did autowake for a little bit and then took it off. Who knows.

[Prospersigman]

I have 1st hand experience on my 2018 SL550, my buddies 2019 SL450 and my other buddies 2019 G23. I have not surfed a 2018 or newer SE.

I can tell you that you will not be disappointed in the SL wave!! It is as long and tall as you want it to be with 100% full ballast and 650-800 lbs of lead.

The wave is longer than a G23 wave, much smoother and cleaner.

[moombacraze]

I too have first hand experience with my 2019 SL550 and my friends have a G23 and G25. I prefer my SL wave over both of those waves. It is smoother and longer. I still can’t wipe the grin of my face every time I surf behind it.




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[ChuckB]

Thanks for the info. After my SE ride this week, I had ruled out the SL all together. Thanks for keeping it alive for me!

[Prospersigman]

Honestly, you would be making a giant mistake if you left off the SL! Not to mention storage galore, power tower, all sub floor ballast with 6 pumps, chill-tech vinyl, I could go on and on.

Hands down the best deal for the money that is out there in the upper level surf boats.

[ChuckB]

Okay, thanks. I will test out an SL as soon as the dealer gets one.

[trace]

We've got 100+ hours on our '19 SE 450 and we have NO lack of push. That said, setup and displacement are everything. We didn't like the factory preset numbers, they felt like they are really setup for a decent wave on both sides for switching, but not necessarily the best wave available on either side. We run 8.5 deg pitch and 4.5 deg of roll at 11.6-12.0. 3 people in an SE with no additional ballast means you left a whole lot of wave sitting on the table. We run a 3 person crew frequently, but we added 1000lbs of lead to it too and hardly ever run the fuel tank below 1/2. The SE will typically run at a lower bow angle than the SL will. We've ridden a stock G23 with 7 people aboard and our SE setup is sooooo much better.

[ChuckB]

Okay. But would you think that a stock G23 and your Supra SE without lead have a similar length wave and similar push? I’m just trying to see if this SE was maybe totally jacked up on the setup. I know that he had it autowake at first and then changed to full ballasts on a preset setting of some sort. My 245 pound buddy barely had enough push to throw the rope and the wave was considerably shorter than his stock (non lead added) G23. The last thing I want to do is pay that kind of money for a boat and my wife and son don’t even like the steepness.