Huge Wave little Push

[flienlow]

Having an issue with a smaller crew. I am able to consistently get a large wave with any crew. And with 5600lbs of ballast.....I ought too.

When I have a crew of 12 or so with full ballast, my wave is really good. I can ride a shim board and land a 360 ( if lucky.) However, when we have just the locals for a quick run and a crew of 4, that is when we struggle. Can we surf and let go of the rope? Yes, no issues. can we pull off tricks like a 360? No.

We seem to lack push at the back of the wave. We also seems to lack compression/hardness/stiffness (if you will) of the water coming from the transom. The wave while is huge it seems Squishy.

Typical settings would be SURF LEFT 100% ALL Ballast, 0 Wakeplate 65 Surf PLATE Speed around 10.7 ( 9.8 indicated)

Perhaps I need to go back to basics, but what should I look at ?

[KnoxMojo]

What's your pitch and roll numbers with that setup? 9.5 and -4 is what you should be looking for and maybe speed up a bit. That will firm up your wave.

[Prospersigman]

I say speed...if you want firmness I would bump it up to 11.2 or so, you might lose a little bit of the "hugeness" but it will firm it up and provide consistent push from front to back.

[Arcadyus]

You have 2600 lbs of extra ballast above stock?

[flienlow]

You have 2600 lbs of extra ballast above stock?

Yes. stock is 3000. I have 1200s rear, 1100 mid and stock 1000 bow.

Pitch is 8-9 and roll usually -1.5 -.3.5.


I will try more speed. Usually we find the boat will start running aways, and to be honest, I dont think it has a lot more speed. I can try adding a bow bag to bring the nose down, but that will affect pitch too?

[KnoxMojo]

Yes. stock is 3000. I have 1200s rear, 1100 mid and stock 1000 bow.

Pitch is 8-9 and roll usually -1.5 -.3.5.


I will try more speed. Usually we find the boat will start running aways, and to be honest, I dont think it has a lot more speed. I can try adding a bow bag to bring the nose down, but that will affect pitch too?

That only adds up to 4500 pounds.. what am I missing... at some point it's also some technique and maybe needing a slightly bigger board.

[parrothd]

Having an issue with a smaller crew. I am able to consistently get a large wave with any crew. And with 5600lbs of ballast.....I ought too.

When I have a crew of 12 or so with full ballast, my wave is really good. I can ride a shim board and land a 360 ( if lucky.) However, when we have just the locals for a quick run and a crew of 4, that is when we struggle. Can we surf and let go of the rope? Yes, no issues. can we pull off tricks like a 360? No.

We seem to lack push at the back of the wave. We also seems to lack compression/hardness/stiffness (if you will) of the water coming from the transom. The wave while is huge it seems Squishy.

Typical settings would be SURF LEFT 100% ALL Ballast, 0 Wakeplate 65 Surf PLATE Speed around 10.7 ( 9.8 indicated)

Perhaps I need to go back to basics, but what should I look at ?

Sorry, this sounds like a technique/skill level issue, with smaller crew aka less ballast the pocket is going to be smaller.

Only options are increase your skill level buy riding and adjusting or adding extra ballast when with a smaller crew.

On my light crew days(just me and driver) I add a 500lb bag in the center, this keeps the wave consistent from large to small crew size.

If you're surfing a monster wave one day, then normal size the next, well ya know.. lol

[csm]

Agree with what’s been said, but I’d also try less surf plate. I run similar weight and run the surf plate at 45 for surfing port, speed at 11.5. My old boats had always worked best at 10.5-10.7 so took me a while to realize my max is best at 11.5ish.


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[FamilyMan]

1100s in the side.... no way those are filling all the way up. 720s fill it nearly complete with the venting on top.

I also go a minimum of 11.4, otherwise it’s a tall steep monster.


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[Matt0520]

Flienlow, what type of board are you riding?

If I’m on a cheap/thin board I don’t feel much push at the back of the pocket. But if I’m on a thick EPS foam board (Doomswell, Ronix, etc) I feel a ton of push from the back. Feels like dropping over the edge into a halfpipe.

Board makes a big difference! Lots of push and you can ride way further back.



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