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  1. #11

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    Seems the comparison is a little off...SG/SE compared to a Max. If you want a Supra you could easliy find a 2016-2017 SA that would be under $90k.

    Here is a quick example:
    https://www.onlyinboards.com/2016-SU...ois-96280.aspx
    2018 Supra SL550 with 850lbs of lead wake
    2017 Supra SA400 (Sold)
    2016 Moomba Mojo Surf Edition (Sold)
    2017 Ford F250 Super Duty(Sold)
    2019 Ford F250 Super Duty
    Soulcraft Vodoo
    Phase Five Matrix

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJHSupra View Post
    If you are wakeboarding at 17mph w/o ballast, you will find better Supars results from the smaller hulls - SA or SR/SC. The SG is about the same as the SA, but I have not been on one at low speeds (<20+). I agree with KnoxMojo and also looking at the Mojo or Craz.
    Actually, the SG is almost a foot longer than the SA.
    2018 Supra SA400 aka The Ron Burgandy
    2011 Sea-Doo Wake 155
    2015 Mojo Surf, sold...2013 Axis A22 Recon Edition, sold...2010 Axis A22, sold...2007 Maxum 180sr3, sold

  3. #13

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    Yes, but the Max and SA are identical.
    2018 Supra SL550 with 850lbs of lead wake
    2017 Supra SA400 (Sold)
    2016 Moomba Mojo Surf Edition (Sold)
    2017 Ford F250 Super Duty(Sold)
    2019 Ford F250 Super Duty
    Soulcraft Vodoo
    Phase Five Matrix

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prospersigman View Post
    Yes, but the Max and SA are identical.
    Close, SA is 2" longer. And the hulls are nowhere near identical.
    2018 Supra SA400 aka The Ron Burgandy
    2011 Sea-Doo Wake 155
    2015 Mojo Surf, sold...2013 Axis A22 Recon Edition, sold...2010 Axis A22, sold...2007 Maxum 180sr3, sold

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnoxMojo View Post
    Close, SA is 2" longer. And the hulls are nowhere near identical.
    And the SA is 950# heavier


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  6. #16

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    Never said the hulls were identical. And 2" overall length is pretty close...but since you want to argue this morning we can go back and forth.

    The OP narrowed his search down to SE/SG and a Max. My point was the SA is a closer comparison size wise to the Max and could easily be found under his $90k cap. You and I have both owned Moombas and Supras...I prefer the Supras over the Moombas not only the wave but the creature comforts and technology. If I were in the OP's shoes I buy a 2017 SA over a 2019 Max...my 2 cents worth.
    2018 Supra SL550 with 850lbs of lead wake
    2017 Supra SA400 (Sold)
    2016 Moomba Mojo Surf Edition (Sold)
    2017 Ford F250 Super Duty(Sold)
    2019 Ford F250 Super Duty
    Soulcraft Vodoo
    Phase Five Matrix

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    Agree, used SA over a new max.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prospersigman View Post
    Never said the hulls were identical. And 2" overall length is pretty close...but since you want to argue this morning we can go back and forth.

    The OP narrowed his search down to SE/SG and a Max. My point was the SA is a closer comparison size wise to the Max and could easily be found under his $90k cap. You and I have both owned Moombas and Supras...I prefer the Supras over the Moombas not only the wave but the creature comforts and technology. If I were in the OP's shoes I buy a 2017 SA over a 2019 Max...my 2 cents worth.
    I'm not arguing at all my dude... just didn't want the OP to think the SA and Max were the same with different features.... and 100% yes, I'd look for a lightly used SA for that money. We're on the same page.
    2018 Supra SA400 aka The Ron Burgandy
    2011 Sea-Doo Wake 155
    2015 Mojo Surf, sold...2013 Axis A22 Recon Edition, sold...2010 Axis A22, sold...2007 Maxum 180sr3, sold

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnoxMojo View Post
    I'm not arguing at all my dude... just didn't want the OP to think the SA and Max were the same with different features.... and 100% yes, I'd look for a lightly used SA for that money. We're on the same page.

    Really what this comes down to for us is:

    Option 1: top tier supra boat that surfs great and wakeboards well down around the 16 or 17 mph range.
    I would like to keep it under $90K before taxes for a top tier boat.
    From my market research that points to a Swell V1 SG or SE, maybe a 2016 Swell V2 in these boats if I am lucky (keeping any of these boats down around <160 hrs).
    I wasn't really hot on the 2016+ SA because for that money why not go with a SE or and SG?
    I like the room behind the windshield more than trading off for more bow room in the SA.
    Does an SA really wakeboard better? If so, am I trading off some surf potential compared to the SG/SE?

    Option 2: The mad max. This takes me to near state of the art autowake/G6/Swell 2 in the mid 70's new.
    From Saturday's wet test she wake boarded great down at 16 mph in less then perfect conditions.
    Surfing was as good or better than the 2015 SG that we just wet tested a couple hours before.
    However as I mentioned that SG was not dialed in and only had stock ballast amounts.

    So really Option 1 is the gorgeous 60's muscle car that depends on driver knowledge to tweak the boats inputs for changing conditions.
    However I just don't know if Option 1 really surfs that much better than a Max or can it wake board clean down at 16 or 17 mph.
    If she can't wakeboard down at that speed, then that solves that.
    I do suspect there was performance left on the table for surfing that we didn't experience.. I only truly know what I experienced that day.

    Although I think we have pretty much decided on the Max.
    She's not a looker.. but performance was great, she's new, she's easy to live with on the water with autowake/etc.
    And the price is right.

    However we do still have a sweet spot for an SE/SG or maybe an SA.
    But its really hard to go back to a boat that doesn't have autowake etc after you've had a great positive experience with that.

    The SG, the wife was doing the classic point down and clean up the drivers side wake..(just like she does on the VLX depending on conditions).
    The Max.. nadda.. drama free. I think this might just be the selling features for us.. ease of use this time and repeatability.

    Hope this all makes sense to everyone.

    We'll probably end up getting a Mad Max as a stop gap until the 2018+ Supra SL's or something of that nature come down to a reasonable price in a 3 or 4 years.

    Time will tell

    I was just hoping for some input from more experienced Supra ownership before we make our final decision. Its a lot of money to make a mistake on.
    Last edited by andrewd; 05-20-2019 at 02:49 PM.

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    Moomba Flow and Supra Swell systems are different.


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