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    Quote Originally Posted by muehlcj View Post
    Consider designing a hull and surf system that doesn’t create as much lift that needs to be counteracted by weight - smarter not harder

    So you are saying someone should drop six figures on a Moomba then they have to add 2000 + lbs of lead to maximize the wave? I’m a loyal Moomba customer and I say no thanks l.
    Ok! Why don’t you create that system. You would be revolutionary! The hull and surf system that sinks itself.

    You aren’t wanting to hear the physics. Yes it really would like to have 2000 pounds more. Do it with people. Do it with water. Do it with lead. It’s your choice.

    What about a boat that is exactly the same length weighing 1200 pounds less to you doesn’t make sense? It has absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the boat or the type of tabs.

    If you want your Makai to behave like an FI25, then fill it with water bags like the Fi is filled. Every compartment: WATER. No storage. Then you have what you’re asking for.

    Not sure how else to communicate it.


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    I think buoyancy is a good thing for boats....I sure like it!


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    Actually, someone does have a device that does that. The patented Wedge. Except is creates a bunch of drag and costs lost of fuel to do its job. And it’s patented.

    I will do the weight.


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    A boat is only rated to carry so much weight. Be it from water,lead or people.

    It would not be wise to exceed this rating.

    This argument is similar to buying a performance car and then modding it to add horsepower/Torque.

    It’s human nature to modify and want more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dakota4ce View Post
    Ok! Why don’t you create that system. You would be revolutionary! The hull and surf system that sinks itself.

    You aren’t wanting to hear the physics. Yes it really would like to have 2000 pounds more. Do it with people. Do it with water. Do it with lead. It’s your choice.

    What about a boat that is exactly the same length weighing 1200 pounds less to you doesn’t make sense? It has absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the boat or the type of tabs.

    If you want your Makai to behave like an FI25, then fill it with water bags like the Fi is filled. Every compartment: WATER. No storage. Then you have what you’re asking for.

    Not sure how else to communicate it.


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    Dude, your making my point , the line up for the PB best surf boats for 2019, subpar , only one 25 ft boat , a wake tractor ( really ) not and apples to apples comparison and lots of lead to try and equal, but as you stated doesn't matter how much lead I throw in a 23 ft boat wont compare to a 25 foot boat .

    yes bigger boats make bigger waves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dakota4ce View Post
    And if you don’t think you brought up Malibu, then I am at a loss. Who are you Bill Clinton?

    Naw man, I surf 3-4 days a week. My boat, the 23LSV, RZX3, SL550. We simply rotate driving between the boats. Very nice mix.

    Lotsa time in that boat. To be in the same ballpark as the rest of the fleet—needs wedge and the 750 sack on the bow seats. For sure 100%. Otherwise it’s not on par or close. With that setup, she’s nice. 4-5 200# dudes in boat. 400 motor doesn’t love the load, but we love the wave.

    Surfed randomly with Tarzan/Wakesurf Orlando a few weeks back—dude coaches Parker Payne. Found nearly same exact setup. Except 600 sack in bow, same wedge setting. Not that that proves anything, but he rolled a fat wave too. It was a blast.


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    find in the early thread where I typed Malibu , you could have guessed sanger or pavati but YOU didn't.

    Bill Clinton , really , grow up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dakota4ce View Post
    Actually, someone does have a device that does that. The patented Wedge. Except is creates a bunch of drag and costs lost of fuel to do its job. And it’s patented.

    I will do the weight.


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    one of two devices that doesn't fight the ballast just saying . other NSS
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    don't need it 300 on top of the hard tank under the cushions is just fine.

    roll with me and I will show you fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmvotto View Post
    one of two devices that doesn't fight the ballast just saying . other NSS
    Wedge is not a surf device.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dakota4ce View Post
    Wedge is not a surf device.


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    I know I wasn't talking about wedge. tabs do gates don't
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