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  1. #1
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    Default ballast fill pump replacement

    after 8.5 years of diligent pumping and regular use, my old rule 2000 pump has stopped working.

    i presume it is just wore out and needs to be replaced. maybe i should check the fuses, etc before this, but i really think it is most likely the pump is gone. i do not really feel like changing out the whole system to the three pumps and intakes, etc. I just want to replace the pump.

    when i started to remove the pump it will not turn full rotations because the pump discharge hits the engine/transmission. it appears that the pump and intake were assembled and installed together and was not checked for clearance. i presume i can just put a wrench on the intake and give a strong twist of maybe 1/8 rotation to get the clearance. I can't imagine that the whole thing was bottomed out when assembling. but, if it was, and I am able to twist something loose, what might it be? is the scupper on the bottom of the hull attached/screwed to the hull, or is it just connected to the intake and tightened?

    i am hoping that you who have changed, replaced, played with the intake will have a fast knowledge as we have all come to depend on you for.

    thank you!
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    The scupper intake is basically permanently affixed to the hull. Getting it out would be way more trouble than it's worth.

    Honestly, if the pump is toast, then take something like a jobplus vibrating multitool with a cutting attachment and hack off the discharge tube. WHo cares if you mangle the pump in the process???

    Then do what Kaneboats did and add a TEE and put two pumps as a replacement instead of the one. And while you're at it, ditch the sprinkler valves for the motorized ball valves. you'll see a noticeable improvement without having to completely gut you system. (I've got 2 motorized ball valves for sale for $50 shipped for both, brand new).
    2008 Moomba Mobius XLV. Monster Cargo Bimini, WS Rev 410's, Polk Cabins, 3 Infinity Subs, PPI amps, WS420, Exile BT, upgraded ballast pumps, up to 3,500+ pounds of ballast, Blue LED's...
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    Thanks for the info. I got the inlet to move enough to spin the pump off. I was not concerned about destroying the pump to get it off, was more curious about replacing the new one and not able to spin.

    I will look into kaneboats mod. I guess he plumbed both pumps back to the valve manifold? I have not looked at the ball valve thing. I know nothing about it. So, I'll take your offer for yours. Where do i get the third?

    I'll pm from FB and we can figure this out after the weekend. Have fun!

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by yearround View Post
    Thanks for the info. I got the inlet to move enough to spin the pump off. I was not concerned about destroying the pump to get it off, was more curious about replacing the new one and not able to spin.

    I will look into kaneboats mod. I guess he plumbed both pumps back to the valve manifold? I have not looked at the ball valve thing. I know nothing about it. So, I'll take your offer for yours. Where do i get the third?

    I'll pm from FB and we can figure this out after the weekend. Have fun!

    Thanks
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    so it's been well established that the OEM sprinkler valve manifolds are a serious bottleneck in the flow rates of water filling the ballast bags from the one oem rule pump. Having a ball valve will allow the on/off that the sprinkler valves facilitate, but with a constant flow rate that isn't constricted. The fact that they now make electric actuated ball valves means that you can throw the sprinkler valves in the garbage and replace it with something that will increase your fill times, but still have that on/off that's needed for each zone.

    What Kane did was add a 2nd pump. I'm guessing that he dedicated one pump to a certain zone and the other pump to the other two zones, but I can't remember for sure.

    There's a lot of electric ball valves online. price seems to depend on how quickly you actually want them. the ones on Amazon prime are more costly than waiting 4 to 6 weeks for one to arrive from China (bought via Ebay).

    But definitely hit me up. I'd love to see mine get used.
    2008 Moomba Mobius XLV. Monster Cargo Bimini, WS Rev 410's, Polk Cabins, 3 Infinity Subs, PPI amps, WS420, Exile BT, upgraded ballast pumps, up to 3,500+ pounds of ballast, Blue LED's...
    1992 Supra Sunsport. **SOLD** 2k pounds ballast, Surf System, Blue LED's everywhere, decent audio system.
    Tow Rig: 2013 F150 Ecoboost FX4 (wife's rig) Other money pits include:1998 BMW M3 Cabriolet, 2009 Audic A6 Avant 3.0T, 2005 Kawasaki ZX-6R 636.
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    https://www.anchorexpress.com/rule-t...CABEgIdgPD_BwE

    I did what Kane did as well but I added a fourth bags ibs switch and extra sprinkler valve on the old boat .i had boat pumps filling the main fold from each end and then I could direct the flow to what ever bag I wanted
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    Well, that was Newty's mod first and I just copied him. The two pumps originally would both go to the new manifold I built. Later, I deleted the sprinkler valves and the manifold and just ran two lines to each rear bag with a check valve in each one out near the end. Works great!
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    Not trying to hijack this post but Im up against the same thing. My rule pump is slowly dying so I have a couple questions. 1- what is the size of the suction side of the rule pump, the side that threads to the ball valve. 2-what do you recommend for a replacement pump? I was thinking a tsunami T1200. 3-Trayson, do you have an ebay link for the motorized ball valves? Thanks guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy Dag View Post
    Not trying to hijack this post but Im up against the same thing. My rule pump is slowly dying so I have a couple questions. 1- what is the size of the suction side of the rule pump, the side that threads to the ball valve. 2-what do you recommend for a replacement pump? I was thinking a tsunami T1200. 3-Trayson, do you have an ebay link for the motorized ball valves? Thanks guys
    I don't think the one I bought is still at the same vendor (things come and go on ebay). That said, I have 2 of them that I didn't end up using because I decided I didn't need that level of automation on the bags connected to my reversible pump). I'm still selling the pair, and it'd be less than getting them off ebay.
    2008 Moomba Mobius XLV. Monster Cargo Bimini, WS Rev 410's, Polk Cabins, 3 Infinity Subs, PPI amps, WS420, Exile BT, upgraded ballast pumps, up to 3,500+ pounds of ballast, Blue LED's...
    1992 Supra Sunsport. **SOLD** 2k pounds ballast, Surf System, Blue LED's everywhere, decent audio system.
    Tow Rig: 2013 F150 Ecoboost FX4 (wife's rig) Other money pits include:1998 BMW M3 Cabriolet, 2009 Audic A6 Avant 3.0T, 2005 Kawasaki ZX-6R 636.
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    Ill give it some thought before I pull the trigger on those. Do you recall what size the inlet of the rule pump is? Im guessing its 3/4 NPT but Im unable to check at this time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy Dag View Post
    Ill give it some thought before I pull the trigger on those. Do you recall what size the inlet of the rule pump is? Im guessing its 3/4 NPT but Im unable to check at this time

    Sent from my SGH-I337M using Tapatalk
    That sounds right because I do know that the ball valve and the through hull and the ballast hose are all 3/4
    2008 Moomba Mobius XLV. Monster Cargo Bimini, WS Rev 410's, Polk Cabins, 3 Infinity Subs, PPI amps, WS420, Exile BT, upgraded ballast pumps, up to 3,500+ pounds of ballast, Blue LED's...
    1992 Supra Sunsport. **SOLD** 2k pounds ballast, Surf System, Blue LED's everywhere, decent audio system.
    Tow Rig: 2013 F150 Ecoboost FX4 (wife's rig) Other money pits include:1998 BMW M3 Cabriolet, 2009 Audic A6 Avant 3.0T, 2005 Kawasaki ZX-6R 636.
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