New Supra Sl

[shockthis]

So I have to sign off on my final build this week, Just went back to the Raptor 400 vs the 440. It seems like there are quite a few shops ordering the 400. It seems like i could reprop down to a 985 or run a 945 oj. This will be used 80% for wake boarding and the rest surfing. Maybe the odd water skiing outing. I never cruise the lake over 26-27mph. Any thoughts? How much do you think i would loose on Resale.

https://www.supraboats.com/configura...4691,4818,4823

[jwl019]

Curious to see what others say but I would think if you are going to be loading up all the ballast for wakeboarding and are at any elevation, then you would want the 440. If you have to prop down just to push the weight, then I would think your rpm's will be really high and gulping the fuel more in order to run the 20-24 mph for wakeboarding?

[sivs1]

So I have to sign off on my final build this week, Just went back to the Raptor 400 vs the 440. It seems like there are quite a few shops ordering the 400. It seems like i could reprop down to a 985 or run a 945 oj. This will be used 80% for wake boarding and the rest surfing. Maybe the odd water skiing outing. I never cruise the lake over 26-27mph. Any thoughts? How much do you think i would loose on Resale.

https://www.supraboats.com/configura...4691,4818,4823

I'm looking at some options of how I can position myself financially to get into a new SL. I'm at 6,500 feet so the bigger engine is important to me and if I were buying used I would have to think twice about a base motor in any boat.

[mattsask]

I if you're wakeboarding 80% I would go with the 440. There was a torque curve chart floating around last year that compared the two engines. I seem to remember the two engines being almost identical in the lower rpm ranges, but in the higher RPM's is where the 440 shines. So it would definitely be beneficial if you plan on wakeboarding with serious ballast.

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[russellsmojo]

SE comes with bigger motor. Just saying you might check it out.


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[MJHSupra]

I if you're wakeboarding 80% I would go with the 440. There was a torque curve chart floating around last year that compared the two engines. I seem to remember the two engines being almost identical in the lower rpm ranges, but in the higher RPM's is where the 440 shines. So it would definitely be beneficial if you plan on wakeboarding with serious ballast.

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I was just reading a thread on the BU forum last night about the Raptor 400 vs 440 vs 575. Someone was speaking to the Indmar Rep.

Overall, most over there were debating if the 440 was work the extra $7-7.5K upgrade. Negotiable cost.
Same motors, different tunes for the 400/440.
440 has gains over 3800 RPMs
Some that get new boats every year were choosing the 400 - cannot justify the cost.
Long-run people liked the 575 - but who is going to fork over that extra $

http://www.themalibucrew.com/index.p...ory-rep%C2%A0/

[mattsask]

I was just reading a thread on the BU forum last night about the Raptor 400 vs 440 vs 575. Someone was speaking to the Indmar Rep.

Overall, most over there were debating if the 440 was work the extra $7-7.5K upgrade. Negotiable cost.
Same motors, different tunes for the 400/440.
440 has gains over 3800 RPMs
Some that get new boats every year were choosing the 400 - cannot justify the cost.
Long-run people liked the 575 - but who is going to fork over that extra $

http://www.themalibucrew.com/index.p...ory-rep%C2%A0/

Yep, That's the thread I was talking about. That extra torque above 3800 would definitely be a plus for wakeboarding.

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[Broke Pilot]

Torque isn't the issue, it's horsepower. HP is what keeps you moving. Under 5250rpm (where torque and HP cross in a dyno chart since hp is a function of torque) you want as much hp down low as possible since that means you have more torque.
Since the 400/440 are the same motor, and it's all in the tune, in the real world are you gonna notice the difference? There is no change to displacement or heads/can, so the only way to bump the hp/tq is a timing change (which I can guarantee is the diffence in the tune) or increase compression.
Since there's no change to the head/cam, that's why you don't see any improvement down low, you haven't changed any efficiency aspect of the motor.
Save the $$, 7k buys a lot of fuel...

Always remember the old saying; torque is how hard you hit the wall, horse power is far you drag the wall...

[russellsmojo]

I don't know the mechanics of the motor difference. Having rode and driven both it's different. The 440 has noticeable difference in hole shot and planing. Is it worth $7k...not saying that depending on boat. On SL though I don't think it's a matter of debate. It needs the 440. Heavy ass boat plus resale with 440 is open to any elevation in the country.


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[shockthis]

Thanks for the input guys, excited to be back in the moomba community you guys are great, I will be trading it back at the dealer when we do sell it so I think that I will see most of the money back when we go to trade it in. One last question, we live on the lake and the boat sits on a lift, Trailer gets used 1-2 times a year, do you think the 2k for the 18inch rims will command dollars on resale?