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  1. #411
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    Quote Originally Posted by shockthis View Post
    So Basically the Moomba's are backwards compatible and the new software works for them and can get ballast sensors etc, but the guys that have to more expensive line of supra's are SOL for any new software, etc?
    I asked my dealer about the ballast sensors and he checked with the factory who told them they were not upgradable on my 18 SL. This bums me out...because the one thing that really frustrates me about my boat is the ballast timers. Every time I go out I have to watch for the overflow and manually reset the ballast indicators.


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  2. #412
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    As soon as a manufacturer actually adds flow meters to their ballast system, they will patent it and corner that market. I donít know why Moomba didnít do this instead of just use a sensor that acknowledges that the bag is overflowing and is full.

    With a flow meter on the fill/drain line, you could tell EXACTLY HOW MUCH BALLAST IS IN THE BAGS TO THE OUNCE!


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  3. #413
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stazi View Post
    As soon as a manufacturer actually adds flow meters to their ballast system, they will patent it and corner that market. I donít know why Moomba didnít do this instead of just use a sensor that acknowledges that the bag is overflowing and is full.

    With a flow meter on the fill/drain line, you could tell EXACTLY HOW MUCH BALLAST IS IN THE BAGS TO THE OUNCE!


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    Well, it is not exactly that easy. We, and I am sure several others, have looked at the flow meters. While that could work, it doesn't take into account leaks at the bag. If you had a fitting loose or the bag drained, you could measure how much water you put in the bag, how much you took out of the bag, but you couldn't keep up with the water that didn't go through the ballast pump or hose....

    Also, while it seems like we are only using a sensor that is working as the bag is overflowing, that is not the case. Some boats only have "flow sensors", but some boats have true ballast sensors that have an actual tube that is measuring the actual water level. I can't go into too much detail but I can tell you that most of it is patent protected and I would imagine someday soon you will see other manufacturers using it as well. And we will continue to use more of the sensor as we develop the proper software to go with all the information we have from the sensor. Right now it adds a lot of value because you don't have to worry about overfilling your bag, but I would say soon, we will have that extremely high accuracy that the industry has always lacked in terms of true ballast sensing that can also work with additional bags or plug and play systems. Like I have said before, the future has a lot of technology in it and I have a feeling you will see a lot of that first on the skiers choice products...
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  4. #414
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnoxMojo View Post
    Goose, I'll take that as a maybe...hahaha
    And KnoxMojo.....we will definitely leave that as a maybe someday... hehehe
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  5. #415
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    Quote Originally Posted by goose View Post
    And KnoxMojo.....we will definitely leave that as a maybe someday... hehehe
    Sounds like a plan.
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  6. #416
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    Quote Originally Posted by goose View Post
    I have said before, the future has a lot of technology in it and I have a feeling you will see a lot of that first on the skiers choice products...
    Stoked for the Skiers Choice brand and family.
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  7. #417
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    Hello,

    We still have snow on the ground up here but I got excited about the new flow sensors for my 2018 Max so I popped into the dealer yesterday to enquire about upgrading. They said that they are working with SC to figure out what will be required but warned me that the upgrade will be expensive for the 2018 Max due to them having to "split the hull" in order to get the necessary access to install the components. That much work would make the upgrade not work doing. Has anybody else been told that's it's more complicated that installing the sensors and upgrading the software?


    Thanks

    John
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    Calgary, Alberta
    2018 Moomba Max

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    Quote Originally Posted by j.valente@shaw.ca View Post
    Hello,

    We still have snow on the ground up here but I got excited about the new flow sensors for my 2018 Max so I popped into the dealer yesterday to enquire about upgrading. They said that they are working with SC to figure out what will be required but warned me that the upgrade will be expensive for the 2018 Max due to them having to "split the hull" in order to get the necessary access to install the components. That much work would make the upgrade not work doing. Has anybody else been told that's it's more complicated that installing the sensors and upgrading the software?


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    John
    2018 Moomba Max
    Calgary, Alberta
    Sounds like the dealer is giving you the we don't want to do it line. Find it very hard to believe to replace a sensor on the newer model you'd have to split the hull.
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  9. #419
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    Goose, just wanted to thank you for all the info you've provided here. I bought my Max last summer and ran manually for the balance of the year. I stumbled across this thread about a week ago and have since been through every post and been able to pull out my boat for a couple hours tinkering with AutoWake on the water. While I can't tell you how the wave performs, I can tell you I'm AMAZED at the technology. The shape of the wave was awesome. The icing on the cake is that SC is putting this tech into a sub-$80k boat. I can't wait for some time behind the boat this spring, especially after putting more weight on top of stock! Thank you.

  10. #420
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    I have read the entire thread, and it has been extremely helpful. My only wish is that Skiers Choice had a catalog of videos showing us all how to operate in Autowake.

    I have a 2018 Craz and upgrade 1500 pound bags on each side in the back. My first day in the water was today so I was going to get everything set so I can learn Autowake. This is my first boat and really don’t have any experience creating waves. I calibrated the inclinometer and the bags. I only had one other passenger sitting on the port side.

    I finally achieved the correct pitch and roll but the wave was terrible. It had a lot of wash and never got clean. I finally adjusted the wake plate on the starboard side to 55 and played with it up to 75. The wave finally got clean.

    Does anyone know why the wake plate didn’t adjust to get the wave cleaner?

    I ended up surfing but never could get enough push. I am assuming I had enough displacement with the upgraded bags. To be honest I was a bit bummed. But definitely could have been complet error on my unskilled part!

    I also have questions about getting Autowake turned on and going so it will fill the bags automatically. I thought I turned it on but the bags would never fill.

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