Stargazer Addition

[MMPRES]

Has anyone tried to switch out the paddlewheel perfect pass for the Stargazer satellite guided system? My family has a G23 w/ Stargazer and going to the paddlewheel. Especially with me being a bigger guy that pulls the hell out of the boat, there is a night and day difference behind my Craz when it comes to set momentum.

Has anyone tried the conversion on their own without dealer involvement? I'd like to avoid the labor cost if it's feasible.

If you have done it with the dealer, what's the ball park I need to budget?

[jmvotto]

you sure its the cruise and not the weight difference in the boats ? Try the g23 without the cruise to verify.

[MMPRES]

you sure its the cruise and not the weight difference in the boats ? Try the g23 without the cruise to verify.

I know for sure. I've been pulled by boats with the paddlewheel and on stargazer and there is a noticeable difference between the two. There is a lag due to the no satellite version relying on a certain amount of revolutions of the paddlewheel to determine the speed. Additionally, there would be an exaggerated difference in the G as there is a significant weight difference between the two. But it pulls more consistently despite all the added weight.

[5:00]

I switched over the the Nautic Laugic over the summer and it has been working great for me. It is different but it has been working well. I don't know how this compares to the Stargazer though.

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread....ghlight=nautic

[gregski]

I know for sure. I've been pulled by boats with the paddlewheel and on stargazer and there is a noticeable difference between the two. There is a lag due to the no satellite version relying on a certain amount of revolutions of the paddlewheel to determine the speed. Additionally, there would be an exaggerated difference in the G as there is a significant weight difference between the two. But it pulls more consistently despite all the added weight.

I suspect that this is due to the throttle response settings in the controller, not the difference of paddlewheel vs. GPS. In fact, the paddlewheel will provide a better "instantaneous" measure of speed; one revolution of the wheel is a very exact distance and it won't "lag", "slip" or care about weight in or behind the boat. If anything, I would think there could be a little bit of lag in GPS.

[That Guy]

What sport are you doing that you notice this? Just curious. Keep us updated on what you come up with.

[parrothd]

What sport are you doing that you notice this? Just curious. Keep us updated on what you come up with.

It's not the paddle wheel causing the issue, it's actually more accurate than the gps version. If you're a bigger guy adjust the PP settings to reflect it.....

https://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk...ad.php?t=49216

[MMPRES]

What sport are you doing that you notice this? Just curious. Keep us updated on what you come up with.

It's only become an issue with wakeboarding.

[MMPRES]

I suspect that this is due to the throttle response settings in the controller, not the difference of paddlewheel vs. GPS. In fact, the paddlewheel will provide a better "instantaneous" measure of speed; one revolution of the wheel is a very exact distance and it won't "lag", "slip" or care about weight in or behind the boat. If anything, I would think there could be a little bit of lag in GPS.

I can see in theory how those systems work. But the heavier you weight your boat, it will decelerate more quickly

I'm only speaking to my experience. But I know that with my riding, riding behind a boat with paddlewheel vs. GPS, the pull is more consistent with GPS. The engine is more "proactive" (for lack of a better term) on GPS than with paddle wheel. On GPS, the engine is only permitted to operate within a specific speed range and the engine will react accordingly with less lag than the paddlewheel. For instance, hit some chop with the paddlewheel guided cruise and the boat will drastically accelerate through the chop which results in a oppositely drastic slowdown and so on until finally stabilizing. This problem does not occur, at least with so much wax and wane, utilizing GPS cruise. Maybe in a vacuum, they perform similarly. And I'll admit that when I'm one of only a few boats in our riding area, it's not so much of a problem. But this rarely happens. Especially as our lake become progressively busier over time, glass waters are few and far between.

[gregski]

I can see in theory how those systems work. But the heavier you weight your boat, it will decelerate more quickly

Sure, but the paddlewheel "knows" about this speed change sooner than GPS.

I'm only speaking to my experience. But I know that with my riding, riding behind a boat with paddlewheel vs. GPS, the pull is more consistent with GPS. The engine is more "proactive" (for lack of a better term) on GPS than with paddle wheel. On GPS, the engine is only permitted to operate within a specific speed range and the engine will react accordingly with less lag than the paddlewheel. For instance, hit some chop with the paddlewheel guided cruise and the boat will drastically accelerate through the chop which results in a oppositely drastic slowdown and so on until finally stabilizing. This problem does not occur, at least with so much wax and wane, utilizing GPS cruise. Maybe in a vacuum, they perform similarly. And I'll admit that when I'm one of only a few boats in our riding area, it's not so much of a problem. But this rarely happens. Especially as our lake become progressively busier over time, glass waters are few and far between.

All of these symptoms are due to the controller settings, not the paddlewheel vs. GPS.

The only thing that could adversely affect the paddlewheel is really bad chop if the paddlewheel were to come completely out of the water. I've only heard of this on other brands of boats if they mounted the wheel too far forward. I don't think I've ever heard of it on a Moomba.