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    Default Solving the ballast breaker switch problem

    The 60 amp breaker that the ballast is routed through sometimes pops.
    I think a bunch of people on this forum have had this same problem.
    The breaker is on the port side of the engine panel mounted adjacent to the transmission.
    I have the amp meter ready and I am going to take a bunch of readings.
    I performed a visual inspection of all ballast pumps and impellers on Sunday and they appear in fine working order.
    Here are the tests I will run:
    amp draw after pressing "Fill All"
    amp draw for fill each individual pump
    repeat tests for draining

    If anyone has some experience with this problem or other suggestions let me know....
    I will post the results of my findings.
    Attached is a picture of what the breaker looks like.
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    Default Re: Solving the ballast breaker switch problem

    No need for math, each pump draws 20+ amps on startup, 3 pumps will trip it..
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    One of my theories was that the start up draw caused a spike....have you tested this?
    The manual states 12amp draw per pump.
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    Default Solving the ballast breaker switch problem

    You will need a meter that measures inrush current. Basically the current required to start the pumps. It will be higher than the 12amp continuous current.
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    I don't think all three well pull 20 each. I've never tripped mine and I fill drain all three all the time.
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    Default Solving the ballast breaker switch problem

    Quote Originally Posted by mmandley View Post
    I don't think all three well pull 20 each. I've never tripped mine and I fill drain all three all the time.
    Same here. Never tripped this breaker.


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    Default Re: Solving the ballast breaker switch problem

    My reversible pumps will easily blow 20amp fuse, the impellor sometimes sticks on startup to pop them. I noticed during a recent install wake makers is using 30amp fuses in thier kits now.

    I used to pop that breaker often when my pumps were new or kicked 4 pumps on at the same time. Now I just make sure to press each button individually, instead of slapping them all on the same time.
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    I ran the test yesterday.
    Each pump draws about 8 amps.
    With all of them running they draw between 22 and 26. That's far short of 60amp limit.
    I did notice a quick surge when pressing the fill all. It was blink of an eye quick, but I saw a reading of 40 and 30 something and quickly settling in the mid 20's.
    I am going to take parrothd's advice and always turn the pumps on one at a time.
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    Default Re: Solving the ballast breaker switch problem

    Or when you're done for day after draining, flip the pumps to fill for a second. This allows the pump to start easier the next time out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JASONZ View Post
    I ran the test yesterday.
    Each pump draws about 8 amps.
    With all of them running they draw between 22 and 26. That's far short of 60amp limit.
    I did notice a quick surge when pressing the fill all. It was blink of an eye quick, but I saw a reading of 40 and 30 something and quickly settling in the mid 20's.
    I am going to take parrothd's advice and always turn the pumps on one at a time.
    If your amp meter is showing 30-40 your inrush is well over 60A. The breaker has a time delay for inrush but if the spike lasts longer, milliseconds, than the breaker it will trip. By starting each pump even a second apart you should not have any problems.
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