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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeepers View Post
    I forgot to add; I have since swapped props to the acme 1847: No Ballast, WOT I'm at 4600 RPMs / 38 mph (gps). Fully loaded with 1900#'s of ballast I'm at 3000 RPMs wake surfing @ 11-11.5 mph. The only time I've run WOT is to test the old prop and the new prop. I'd be interested to see where the new prop lands full ballast WOT. But can't imagine repropping again for scenario I would never put my engine through?

    How will propping the boat for full ballast, WOT RPM impact the RPM range at wakes surfing speeds?

    Thanks again for your help!!
    I am running the same boat, engine and prop as you and i can knock down 5,000 rpm all day without even going 100% wide open. I usually give it just enough to get to 5,000 rpm and the spend is just a touch over 38 mph.
    David

    2017 Moomba Mojo Max Surf Edition, 2 Pair Wetsounds Rev10s powered by an SD2, 6 pair Wetsounds XS650M and Wetsounds XS12 powered by SD6 all controlled by a WS420. 2 Lumitec SeaBlaze X2 Spectrum underwater lights

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  2. #22
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    I opened her up today on super calm waters and was able to get 5000 rpms trimming out the wake plate.
    2008 Moomba Mobius LSV

  3. #23
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    What altitude are you at? I'm 2200-2400 ft
    2008 Moomba Mobius LSV

  4. #24
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    Default Don't Kill Your Engine!

    Quote Originally Posted by Engine Nut View Post
    If you wakeboard or wake surf and load your boat heavily it is critical that your boat is propped appropriately to ensure that your engine gives you the kind of life that you expect. It is critical that the engine is able to turn RPM at wide open throttle within the designated range for your engine. The standard 5.7L engine, Assault 325, 330 … the engines that have the flame arrestor at the top of the engine like a carbureted engine … the WOT RPM range is 4600-4800. The premium 5.7L engine, Assault 340 … the engines that have the flame arrestor at the rear of the engine and a decorative plenum on top … the WOT RPM range is 4800-5200. The 6.0L engines … the LS2 and the L96 … the WOT RPM range is 5200-5600.

    What you need to do is load the boat the way you would for whatever activity you are loading it for. If that means all standard ballast full, any extra ballast, 3 cases of cold beverages and 8 friends … load it up. Make sure your fuel tank is full also. You want the boat to be the heaviest that it is ever going to be. Now carefully take the boat up to wide open throttle and see what the maximum engine RPM is. Be careful because the added weight might make the boat handle differently at WOT than it does when lightly loaded.

    If the RPM for your engine is within the WOT RPM range for the engine you are “GOLDEN”. Go wakeboarding … go surfing … have fun! If the engine turns RPM at WOT it means that it will be properly loaded throughout the RPM range. You don’t always have to run the engine at WOT … in fact I don’t recommend that you run at WOT for extended periods of time … it just has to be able to run within that range at WOT. If the engine is not able to turn in the WOT RPM range for your engine, you have two choices … take some weight out of the boat or change the propeller. Every time you run the boat in those same conditions (overloaded) you are risking the longevity of your engine, and if the engine fails under those conditions it is a good chance the failure would not be covered under warranty even though it may be within the warranty period.

    If you can’t tolerate reducing the weight in the boat, you will have to re-prop with a smaller pitch/diameter propeller to reduce the load on the engine. I am not a prop expert so I won’t be able to help you select the correct prop. Fortunately, I have some friends who are experts. You can contact the good folks at ACME (www.acmemarine.com) or OJ (www.ojprops.com). Either of those fine companies will be able to help and make propeller suggestions that will get you where you need to be RPM wise.

    Once you are propped for the maximum load in the boat, what is going to happen when you run the boat without the load? Not to worry … running the boat under-propped for the load may have an effect on the WOT performance of the boat … it probably won’t go as fast. You won’t have to worry about over-revving the engine though because all of our fuel injected engines have RPM limiters that will not allow the engine to over-rev. It is much better for your engine to be under-propped than it is to be over-propped. If you don’t like the lightly loaded boat performance with the smaller prop, keep your old prop and use it when you are running lightly loaded and switch to the heavy load prop when you use the boat heavily loaded.

    Why is this so important? For example, if your engine is only able to turn 4000 RPM at WOT, the engine is running hot and hard but because it cannot turn at the rated RPM, the water pump is not pumping as much water as it should be or that the engine wants when it is working that hard. Also, under those conditions, the throttle settings are telling the ECM/computer to supply fuel to the engine for WOT operation but because the engine is not turning the appropriate RPM, the engine is over-fueled. It may not be able to burn that excess fuel … so now we start washing oil from the cylinder walls which accelerates cylinder wear. And where does that excess fuel go? Some goes past the rings into the oil which dilutes the oil and reduces its ability to properly lubricate the engine … and some goes out through the exhaust. If the engine has catalytic converters, unburned gasoline in the catalysts creates extra heat in the catalyst and with the diminished water flow because of reduced engine RPM we have a hard time keeping the catalysts and manifolds cool which creates more problems.

    Bottom line … it is extremely critical that your engine is able to run within the rated RPM range at Wide Open Throttle. If you run your boat heavily loaded and the engine will not turn within the designated RPM range, you are killing your engine and if it dies under those conditions that is considered abuse and abuse is not covered by warranty.

    The Engine Nut has spoken!
    Thanks for the education. After reading this I believe I better understand why I see soooo many engine replacements in some brands. Not enough owners understand this principle. Thanks again EN. Oh, can you email this to me as I would like to share on another forum?? [email protected]
    Thanks
    Jerald


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  5. #25
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    I have a 2007 Mobius LSV (325 HP) and top out at 4500 RPM and 38.5 -39.0 MPH (GPS tested) with the original prop, only myself in the boat, perfectly calm conditions and the wake plate planing me out. I have always felt I should get a little more top end and perhaps a few more RPM. I'm not trying to win any races but I'm pushing pretty hard to waterski at 34 MPH.
    twkoehn
    2007 Mobius LSV
    1100s in rear lockers
    750 lb IBS
    Acme 1847

  6. #26
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    Default Don't Kill Your Engine!

    after reading this I was paying attention to my WOT rpm and I'm running 5200 when this post states I should be I should be 4600 to 4800 is this something to worry about also I'm running my stock prop


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  7. #27
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    I have the 325 MPI and while checking rpm's at WOT I found my throttle linkage wasn't fully opening the throttle body. Adjusting gave me a very noticeable increase in rpm and speed. This might explain some of the differences.
    2005 Mobius LSV
    325 EFI

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