I sent Indmar an email about the semi-synthetic vs full synthetic and received a response that semi-synthetic is the minimum requirement but full synthetic is just fine
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I sent Indmar an email about the semi-synthetic vs full synthetic and received a response that semi-synthetic is the minimum requirement but full synthetic is just fine
So what are you getting Clark?
So rotella 15w40 for 08lsv since can't find penzoil marine...?
Does rotella make a marine oil or will this work?
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Look at the certifications on the bottle. I've been using the Rotella or Delo for years.
From older threads on this topic:
. . .
From the owners manual.
Indmar recommends 15W-40 Pennzoil Marine in their
engines. If not available, use a 15W40 motor oil with an
A.P.I. classification rating of SL/SJ/CI4/CH4/CG4 or
equivilent. Synthetic oils are not recommended until after
the engine has been run for 100 hours.
. . .
This is also on the Indmar web site.
http://www.indmar.com/About/ContactIndmar/faq.html#2.4
"Indmar recommends (and uses at our factory) Pennzoil Marine 15W40 Motor Oil. If Pennzoil 15W40 Marine Oil is not available in your area, we suggest using 20W40 or 20W50 oil meeting the API specification of SJ/CG4 or better.
Synthetic oil that meets our requirement of 15W40and API rating of SJ/CJ4 is acceptable to use after 100 hours or operation with the recommended (not synthetic) oil. The use of synthetic oil does not alter the requirement for oil changes at 50-hour intervals.
Older operator manuals, and other publications that are not regularly updated will not be revised to show this latest engine oil recommendation. Current operator manuals, and other service publications that receive regular updates will receive this revised recommendation the next time they are updated".
I've used the Rotella T 15W40 for years. Never bothered with the synthetic. This was what my dealer recommended.
I have not seen that last bit, however. I wonder why they would recommend going up to a 20w40 or 20w50 in lieu of Penzoil Marine?
BTW, I haven't seen Penzoil Marine (with the exception of 2 stroke) for sale in quite a while.
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Rotella all the way.
Just switched at 250 hours to Delo 5w\40 full syn. Used delo 15w/40 dyno oil since new. See how it goes.
2013 LSV 330hp
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T4 is conventional oil, T5 is semi synthetic, and T6 is full synthetic. I switched at 400 hours to the Rotella T5 15/40 and change it every 100 hours and the black stone labs oil test shows all is good!!!
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Been using T6 for years in my '05. Local Wal-Mart always it on the shelf. Main thing is change your oil!
Im using SAE 15W 40 in my 2005 Outback. What kind of oil does everyone use?
2007 Indmar and Rotella T4 SAE 15W 40
I keep it simple every 50 hrs.
^^^ Same with me. Rotella T4, every 50 hours and end of season.
FYI for those running T4: Shell has stated that Rotella T4 is not safe for catalytic converters. It’s a shame, I ran T4 in my 1993 Nautique for years and sold it with 958hours and it never missed a beat. I’m hesitant to run it in my Assult 340hp engine based on Shells warning. Thoughts?
Currently, I’m running Lucas marine 25W40 and just let it warm up a lot before pushing it based on the 25weight. I didn’t have very good luck finding 15w40 that met the Indmar requirements.
“Shell Rotella T is a line of heavy duty engine lubrication products produced by Royal Dutch Shell. The line includes engine oils, gear oils and coolants. The oil carries both the American Petroleum Institute (API) diesel "C" rating as well as the API gasoline engine "S" rating. Ratings differ based on the oil. Rotella oils like T3 15w-40 meets both the API CJ-4 and SM specifications, and may be used in both gasoline and diesel engines. However, it is formulated specifically for vehicles without catalytic converters, containing phosphorus levels beyond the 600-800ppm range.[1] Therefore, Rotella is not recommended for gasoline vehicles with catalytic converters due to the higher risk of damaging these emission controls.[2] Newer formulations of Rotella T6 however are API SM rated as safe for pre-2011 gasoline vehicles.”
SN is what the raptors require.
But great points on having too much ZDDP will harm cats. It’s not really clogging but it makes the catalyst less effective.
All engines consume oil especially under loads, even worse on boosted engines.
The 400/450/460’s don’t need crazy amounts of ZDDP. The cam ramps are not that aggressive.
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Ok. Am I assuming that it is just the 340 that it affects and not the 325 FI engine? Or is there a catalytic converters on the 325 engines?
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as far as I know there are no Cats on the 325hp engine of the same generation as my 2008 XLV. The 2008 340hp does have cats.
Thanks.
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Great thread. Thanks for the information! I run about 50 hrs a season, and definitely recommend checking oil before each use! Only once have I had to add oil mid-50-hr-run.
Started using royal purple full synthetic 15w40 and I went to a larger filter. The oil says it’s safe for cats so bonus. Doesn’t seem to burn oil like the Lucas marine oil I was running.
Don't know that we have seen anything "official" in regards to a comparison. I do think we have had Larry from Indmar post that synthetic is OK after 100 hours.
So when talking about the "running a ballast load" numbers I have seen people posting here; 5700 lbs, 7,000 lbs etc...are you talking about JUST extra ballast above the weight of the boat, or including the boat weight here? Excuding fuel and passengers, the Makai I have is 5,200 lbs dry weight, and can take on 4,000 lbs of water ballast. So if I am loaded, would I say I am running 9,200 lbs ballasted?
And I have another question. The yellow load capacity limit warning label, located under or beside the drivers cockpit depending on your boat, generally has a limit on number of passengers OR weight. I take it to mean it's an either/0r type limit. That load is 2,500 lbs on my boat, and is generally in the 2,000 lb range on most. But if my boat can take on 4,000 lbs of ballast, how can the passenger load be limited to 2,500 lbs. Unless they are figuring it with you running the 4,000 lbs of ballast tanks full too. But then could I tell the DNR guy "Yeah man I know it says I can only have 2,500 lbs of people on here, and yes it's obvious the 18 people I have on here are all 200 plus lbs. But I don't have any water in my ballast, so I am safe. Don't give me a ticket." :rolleyes:
The passenger weight capacity is over and above stock ballast. But if you add lead, it will take away from passenger capacity obviously.
Using your Makai numbers.
Boat 5200#
Stock ballast 4000#
Passenger capacity 2500#
Total mass is 11700#
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I have a mojo 14 with a new Indmar engine about 1 yr ago. Personally, I like the synthetic oil - 15W40 and change the oil after each 50 hours. Don't notice much "burning of the oil", sometimes need to top off but not very much. Mainly surfing.
2 questions:
1. Center ballast fills about 1/3 and then pumps water out. Only way to fill is under power, and this allows full tank to fill. This just started to happen, normally at rest all 3 tanks fill normally.
2. When I turn the boat to the left and the stern swings around, the boat kicks out water from the bilge only on starboard side. Any suggestions as to why??
I’m about to do an oil change in my ‘15 Mojo. I was going to use the recommended 5W30 Synthetic Blend by Indmar. It’s a little tougher to find in a timely manner and more expensive than Ford Motorcraft SAE 5W30 Synthetic Blend. So, I am considering going with the latter. Is there a difference beyond the labeling and marketing? Thoughts? Suggestions? Concerns?
Theu might be 1000 different opinions on this. MOTORCRAFT is ford's brand. The Raptor is Ford's motor. I don't see a problem. Others might say different.
Truthfully, I use Schaeffer's oil 5w-30 which exceeds all the Ford and Indmar standards. Use a good filter that is more important. If you have an oil extractor it is a 15 minute job.
Motorcraft semi syn is perfectly fine.
But do yourself a favor and go on Amazon and find M1, Castrol Edge or any other major brand full syn. All will cost far less than the Indmar labeled semi syn.
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The 5w30 oil you choose only needs to meet.
“Exceeds ILSAC GF-5 and API Resource Conserving SN performance standards”
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Anyone ever try Kirkland / Warren Full Synthetic 5W-30.
API SP Approved
API SN Plus, SN, SM, SL and previous Meets Requirements
ILSAC GF-6A Approved
ILSAC GF-5, GF-4, GF-3, GF-2, GF-1 Meets Requirements
dexos1 Gen 2 Approved
Chrysler MS-6395 Meets Requirements
Ford WSS M2C946-B1, M2C946-A M2C929-A, M2C961-A Meets Requirements
Ford WSS M2C961-A1 Meets Requirements
GM 4718M, 6094M Meets Requirements
I have used the Motocraft and Kirkland's semi syn 5w30 for my last 2 boats and almost 1000 hours with no issues. It is what is recommended by Indmar. As Larry said, use a good high quality filter always.
What filter do you suggest......and let the battle begin! LOL!
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Motorcraft on mine. I used the motor craft oil this past time when I changed it too since there were 2 quarts already onboard the boat unopened. I dont believe all the hype on most oils anyhow. My mini burns any oil I put in it so theres proof right there that engines arent picky.
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Wix XP off Amazon for me.
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Last few oil changes were Castrol Edge full syn from Amazon.
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