Oversized speaker suggestions - ??

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04-25-2013, 12:01 PM
bergermaister

Oversized speaker suggestions - ??

I knew this would come again so here we go. My cutouts for the cabin speakers are 6" holes. Running 6.5" speakers has been a bit tricky to mount. I basically had to have another ring under the back side of the hull and 'clamp' the speakers to the hull with mounting screws.

Been looking around a little and so far the closest option is the JL7.7's needing an opening size of 6.25" - I could probably make that work.

Anyone know of any other larger sizes that take around 6" opening? The less cutting or fabricating of adapters the better.
04-25-2013, 01:04 PM
mcdye

Would installing speaker LED's help. :)
04-25-2013, 02:46 PM
wolfeman131

HA! I thought the same thing.

Know anybody selling them?
04-25-2013, 03:09 PM
bergermaister

That may work. I would need them to be ~ 5" inner diameter, and at least 6.5" or however large to match the grill size outer diameter.
04-25-2013, 06:58 PM
sgoyal

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfeman131

HA! I thought the same thing.

Know anybody selling them?

When I'm here. You got them covered HAHA
04-25-2013, 08:04 PM
MLA

Kicker KS65 requires a 5-5/8 hole but do not know the OD of the grill or the bolt spread
Kicker CS67 requires a 5-1/2 hole but do not know the OD of the grill or the bolt spread

If you stay with a smaller speaker, even adding an LED ring you will be left with a similar issue. The 6" cutout will leave you a very narrow window of hull for the screws to go through. Centering the speaker to drill the pilot holes is critical. Depending on the thickness of the hull, I would still consider using a backing plate with ID and OD thats the same as the speaker and bond it to the back side. Another option would be to use machine screws with washers and nylock nuts as opposed to screws. The washer distributes the load and the machine screw and nut allow for a little tighter torque.

Another option would be to have a piece of deck colored HDPE milled out so the speaker fits through it snug and it fits into the 6" cutout and has an overlapping lip with an OD that matches the speaker. .25" would only set the speaker out a little from the deck, so it would not be too noticeable.

If you are up to the expense of new and larger speakers, then problem solved. Just open the existing holes up to match the cutout of the new speakers.
04-25-2013, 08:15 PM
sgoyal

You can easily fit exile 65m In 6" hole without any issue because I just did that. Hole diameter is around 6.7 and speaker including grill around 7
04-25-2013, 08:42 PM
sgoyal

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgoyal

You can easily fit exile 65m In 6" hole without any issue because I just did that. Hole diameter is around 6.7 and speaker including grill around 7

I just measured Exile SX65M... Hole starts close to 6 1/4" and full OD is around 6.9-7"... their inside diameter is 5.11
04-25-2013, 09:07 PM
MLA

All of Kickers marine in-boats are right at 7" OD, so are the Wet Sounds 650 and 65 series. The Rockford M626 is also 7", but the JL M650 (6.575) and the Alpine M600 (6.65) are both on the small size and the polk comes in @ 6.755.
04-25-2013, 10:13 PM
sgoyal

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLA

All of Kickers marine in-boats are right at 7" OD, so are the Wet Sounds 650 and 65 series. The Rockford M626 is also 7", but the JL M650 (6.575) and the Alpine M600 (6.65) are both on the small size and the polk comes in @ 6.755.

I agree. JLM650 is the only one that is smaller than all. Most of the 6.5 inch speakers are 7" OD..
04-26-2013, 09:38 AM
bergermaister

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgoyal

I just measured Exile SX65M... Hole starts close to 6 1/4" and full OD is around 6.9-7"... their inside diameter is 5.11

Can you tell me the diameter from mounting hole across to opposite mounting hole? That is the main concern with most of the 6.5's. I'd rather not add more to the budget at this point since I'm supposed to be looking for ways to pair it down.
04-26-2013, 10:19 AM
sgoyal

Quote:

Originally Posted by bergermaister

Can you tell me the diameter from mounting hole across to opposite mounting hole? That is the main concern with most of the 6.5's. I'd rather not add more to the budget at this point since I'm supposed to be looking for ways to pair it down.

I don't have the perfect tool but holes are somewhere around 6 1/8. I wish Exile had same kinda doc as WetSound has it.

http://www.wetsounds.com/media/produ...ser_Manual.pdf
04-26-2013, 11:12 AM
MLA

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgoyal

I don't have the perfect tool but holes are somewhere around 6 1/8.

http://www.wetsounds.com/media/produ...ser_Manual.pdf

This sounds about right, but I cant say for sure, only a guestiment. The SX65M is the same as their automotive speaker, the SX65c, but with a grill mounted tweeter as opposed to the pole mounted on the "C". That manual is found with a google search and shows the grill to have a 6.7" OD, a 5.11 cutout. I would put mounting hole center to center somewhere around 6.2. Its not an overly heady speaker, so if the deck is thick and theres enough meat for the screws to bite, I think they would work, but I would still look at something better then just using the traditional wood screws. Backing plate, machine screws with nylock nuts and washers, etc. Having the mounting hole a snug fit to the basket helps support the weight. With an existing 6" hole, you dont have that advantage.
04-26-2013, 11:18 AM
sgoyal

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLA

This sounds about right, but I cant say for sure, only a guestiment. The SX65M is the same as their automotive speaker, the SX65c, but with a grill mounted tweeter as opposed to the pole mounted on the "C". That manual is found with a google search and shows the grill to have a 6.7" OD, a 5.11 cutout. I would put mounting hole center to center somewhere around 6.2. Its not an overly heady speaker, so if the deck is thick and theres enough meat for the screws to bite, I think they would work, but I would still look at something better then just using the traditional wood screws. Backing plate, machine screws with nylock nuts and washers, etc. Having the mounting hole a snug fit to the basket helps support the weight. With an existing 6" hole, you dont have that advantage.

I just measured the exile 65M grill size. It's close to 6.8-7".
04-26-2013, 12:34 PM
MLA

Heres the manual, states 6.77....so about 6.8-7 sounds about right

http://www.exilecaraudio.com/downloads/sx65c-manual.pdf
04-26-2013, 01:05 PM
sgoyal

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLA

Heres the manual, states 6.77....so about 6.8-7 sounds about right

http://www.exilecaraudio.com/downloads/sx65c-manual.pdf

Here is it:

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...psf6b85bf7.jpg

Speaker with 7" OD speaker ring:
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps01c58b19.jpg
04-26-2013, 02:15 PM
MLA

How many more ways can I agree with you that we are in the same ballpark :confused:
04-26-2013, 02:21 PM
sgoyal

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLA

How many more ways can I agree with you that we are in the same ballpark :confused:

the only way I agree when you teach me.. how you stand on ski board.. My kids can do it but I could never learn LOL..

I apologize MLA.
04-26-2013, 10:32 PM
jmvotto

Berg,

This is a good one from a long time member with the polks, I believe he had a 02 lsv.
Jessec. We miss ya Jesse .

http://lisaandjesse.5u.com/MoombaSpe...ject/index.htm
04-26-2013, 10:39 PM
sgoyal

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmvotto

Berg,

This is a good one from a long time member with the polks, I believe he had a 02 lsv.
Jessec. We miss ya Jesse .

http://lisaandjesse.5u.com/MoombaSpe...ject/index.htm

HAHA.. funny picture.. How did he fit himself in there .. Amazing
04-27-2013, 01:11 AM
bergermaister

I've spent a lot of quality time crammed in that very same compartment. Wait, did I say quality?

The Polks were good to me but I think it's time to move on. I've got 10 irons in the fire at the moment so the stereo overhaul will be in the planning phases for a bit longer.
04-29-2013, 01:16 PM
Brianinpdx

The scoop on SX65M

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLA

This sounds about right, but I cant say for sure, only a guestiment. The SX65M is the same as their automotive speaker, the SX65c, but with a grill mounted tweeter as opposed to the pole mounted on the "C". That manual is found with a google search and shows the grill to have a 6.7" OD, a 5.11 cutout. I would put mounting hole center to center somewhere around 6.2. Its not an overly heady speaker, so if the deck is thick and theres enough meat for the screws to bite, I think they would work, but I would still look at something better then just using the traditional wood screws. Backing plate, machine screws with nylock nuts and washers, etc. Having the mounting hole a snug fit to the basket helps support the weight. With an existing 6" hole, you dont have that advantage.

Hello guys - this should clear up any confusion. First - The SX65M is definitely different than the SX65C. The M is the revised version for Marine. It deviates from the past design with a coincident mounted tweeter, sealed mid-bass driver, upgraded tweeter, different crossover network, and sprayed corrosion emulsifier on the basket and cone. It replaced the C version a year ago.

Anyway - Here's a couple of photos for you that show basket cut out and hole location. Berg from what you've said about your hole cut outs, I think your literally "cutting" it close in using a standard speaker like the SX65M. I know you mentioned NBA Car Audio doing your install. If thats the case, I wouldn't worry about it because they are install gods and can do anything you want. Heres a couple of shots for reference.

-Brian
Exile Audio

Center of screw mounting -
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/...psd63e2c56.jpg

Min cut out. We usually tell people 5" so it gives some clearance room for terminals.
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4d38243a.jpg

Exterior grill measurement
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/...ps201c9618.jpg
04-29-2013, 04:26 PM
MLA

My apologies to the forum for being off by 15 hundredths of an inch. Dang, and I missed the hole pattern by a tenth of an inch and that was a pure guess :p.

I always did the like the contrast between the black coincident and silver cone of the sx65C, it was pretty cool in the right boat. :cool:
04-29-2013, 04:32 PM
sgoyal

Haha, Brian I tried to use same tool but not as expert as you are.

So I used the flat tool haha
04-29-2013, 05:26 PM
EarmarkMarine

90 percent of the 6.5-inch speakers used in a boat have a 6.875" grill O.D., a 5.0" opening (a select few have as large as a 5.625"), and a 6.125" hole pattern diameter. You might see a marginal deviation.
A question was asked above if you could use a light diffuser ring as an adapter. Sure, if it is used solely as a depth reducer. But, as a means to reduce the basket diameter for a smaller hole....absolutely not. That could in some speakers greatly reduce the radiating surface area of an infinite baffle speaker into the gunnel cavity and seriously hurt the midbass output/response.

David
04-30-2013, 12:48 PM
Brianinpdx

goyal - no problem on the measure. You did plenty fine job too.

re: adaptors. I might be wrong here, but I think the adaptor question was being asked as a means to mount a smaller speaker in a bigger hole. As a means to reduce basket diameter to a smaller hole? Who is doing that? Did I miss something? or are we talking theory. Just to be clear the min cut out on the Exile speakers is ~5" inches. After that.. the speaker wont physically fit.
04-30-2013, 01:47 PM
bergermaister

Yes Brian thank you- that is the reality.
I have 6" holes and am working on the best approach to mount 6.5" speakers in them again.
Just reviewed the budget and bigger speakers are out of the question now.
04-30-2013, 01:54 PM
bbuhtz

Quote:

Originally Posted by bergermaister

Just reviewed the budget and bigger speakers are out of the question now.

Never review!
04-30-2013, 02:47 PM
newty

Berg, why dont you let me take care of that?
04-30-2013, 03:28 PM
sgoyal

Quote:

Originally Posted by bergermaister

Yes Brian thank you- that is the reality.
I have 6" holes and am working on the best approach to mount 6.5" speakers in them again.
Just reviewed the budget and bigger speakers are out of the question now.

Based on Brian information, the whole diameter is around 6.3" and your boat hole cutout is around 6". So you should be able to plug Exile speakers easily in that hole.
04-30-2013, 05:47 PM
bergermaister

Quote:

Originally Posted by newty

Berg, why dont you let me take care of that?

I went and opened this can of worms before we had spoken. Pretty confident the cabin plan we discussed will be copacetic.
04-30-2013, 07:39 PM
MLA

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgoyal

Based on Brian information, the whole diameter is around 6.3" and your boat hole cutout is around 6". So you should be able to plug Exile speakers easily in that hole.

Ok, now im going to disagree with you ;) If the hole is 6.0 and the center to center speaker bolt hole dia is 6.3, that leaves no deck for the screws to bite. In other words, the center of the speaker holes with be .15" away from the cutout. The diameter of a #8 screw is .164. The screw will break through into the existing 6" cutout.
04-30-2013, 08:03 PM
sgoyal

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLA

Ok, now im going to disagree with you ;) If the hole is 6.0 and the center to center speaker bolt hole dia is 6.3, that leaves no deck for the screws to bite. In other words, the center of the speaker holes with be .15" away from the cutout. The diameter of a #8 screw is .164. The screw will break through into the existing 6" cutout.

I won't fight on it. but all I can say that I have a 6" hole in my boat and exile speakers fit in my existing hole. So it worked out for me :-)
04-30-2013, 08:50 PM
MLA

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgoyal

I won't fight on it. but all I can say that I have a 6" hole in my boat and exile speakers fit in my existing hole. So it worked out for me :-)

Well, I glad they have stayed put, but how many hours have you put on the boat this spring since you installed them? A few good choppy days I see the screws breaking out to the cutout as worst, or hair line cracks in a season ro two at a least. I would suggest a backing plate for you as well. This is not about a particular brand. This is about 90% of the 6.5" speakers on the market. They are all very close in their physical specs.
04-30-2013, 09:02 PM
sgoyal

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLA

Well, I glad they have stayed put, but how many hours have you put on the boat this spring since you installed them? A few good choppy days I see the screws breaking out to the cutout as worst, or hair line cracks in a season ro two at a least. I would suggest a backing plate for you as well. This is not about a particular brand. This is about 90% of the 6.5" speakers on the market. They are all very close in their physical specs.

Don't Jinx it HAHA

I had different speakers in the same hole for 1+ year. No issue. (I'm going to measure it properly over the weekend, if it's exactly 6" or less than that)

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...psf30b873c.jpg