Ok guys spill it I hear that the Moomba and Supra groups are getting a couple awesome new boats for 2014! I want details!
Rick, Drew, Mike someone please help:cool:
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Ok guys spill it I hear that the Moomba and Supra groups are getting a couple awesome new boats for 2014! I want details!
Rick, Drew, Mike someone please help:cool:
I've been sworn to secrecy, but can tell you that I really liked what I saw.
I have no knowledge, but I bet OBV gets snap out carpet.
there may be a bit more to share than snap out carpet for 2014
I'm thinking a 21 foot Mojo or a 24 foot Mojo. I think that we will see a 24 foot SA
Drew was it your daughter who ended up with mono?
Sure would like to see some quick fill ballast with a plug n' play option...and maybe a more v hull surf specific boat..one can dream... *sigh*
And yes before you start spouting out those that already exist, I know, but it would be nice to be able to stay in the fam. When that time comes...
I need them to come out with a 2010'ish Supra SA24 that has declined in value a good bit.
That should put it right up my alley. ..... Or maybe an even swap trade in program for board members :)
Gotcha so how about those details or maybe a release date. Maybe get Mr. T involved ;)
Release date: later
Teaser: already posted something a few days ago, but I don't think anybody picked up on it yet . . .
Drew no link to the teaser that is not nice.
I would like to see the SA at a better price. Snap out carpet is a must have on all lines now.
I had a good hour long talk with Shane Stillman and I too am sworn to secrecy but i can say we have a Private Demo lined up July 8th or 9th with a new boat.
We are talking about possibly selling the Mojo end of the summer if that says anything...
I did see green piping in the one picture.
I can confirm that there is a new Moomba to welcome to the Family. Baby Pics have already been shot. And the Wolfe family attended the baptism. :). We expect great things from the new addition! And in Moomba tradition...with some money still left in your wallet.
nooo so now i have to bite the bullet and wait to see the 14's?..i wanted to get a updated boat, but if mike is already going to sell his mojo then its going to be that awesome haha..maybe if i cant get a 14 ill just buy mikes mojo
maybe something with a wider beam and a less sensitive wake for us wakeboarders who have friends that can't seem to stay seated where we tell them...
Hang in there,Dealer meetings this month Pics will popping up all over the place soon,Nautique has been rumered to have something big to reveal also,G21 maybe?Fun time of year for Boat lovers as the new models are revealed.
With the direction the towboat market seems to be moving I'm thinking we need to see a true pickle fork in the Moomba lineup... (ie: A20, tige' RZ?, etc) pickle forks and sporks are taking over.
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What about some additional options as "upgrades" in the electronics department like more expansive digital readouts/touchscreens etc.... Similar to the upgrades from "moomba cruise" to digital cruise pro. I like the changes for 2013 LSV and Mojo making digital pro a standard leaving GPS as option but like the AT&T commercial "which is better more or less?" " we want more, we want more!"
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I hope it's something surf specific in a shorter boat and skiers actually pushes a promo advertising that :)
something tells me if drew was there, his daughters were shot riding it?? ;)
I'll add to the chain here...
First, towards Todd's remark, I hope Moomba never gets a touch screen, even for an option. Heck, it sounds like the ballast timer/fill indicator give folks enough trouble. We don't always want more. Less=simple=less problems & less money.
Which brings me to my only true wish for the future of Moomba Boats, and that is to make them less expensive. It just seems like the price gap between Moomba and the other guys is closing. Also, it seems that the prices have increased by about 1/3 in the past ten years. Cars have not increased that much in price, I would say closer to 20%. Hell, the cost of houses has dropped significantly. Now I love boats, they are my favorite (cars are a close second), but lets be honest; they are a hunk of fiberglass with a motor dropped in it. Fiberglass is not expensive; carpet is not expensive; vinyl is not expensive.
Boats are exponentially less complex than an automobile. Boats are often compared to tractors as they tow things, but I will use trucks, as it makes more sense. A new F150 STX V8 2WD has an base MSRP of about $29,000 (4WD $33,000). Now let's look at a new Mobius LSV. It has a base MSRP of about $52,000. To me, this makes little sense. Now I know that boats are luxury items... semi-custom... lower volume... and all that; I just feel that when my boat costs close to twice what the tow vehicle costs, there is an issue. It reminds me of those guys with the old beat up cars with huge expensive rims on them.
While I am on my soapbox:
I love my 2001 Outback, I am NEVER going to sell it; it has been a fantastic boat. I bought it in August 2005. In the past 7 full seasons, I have averaged about 65 hours a season, and only had to be towed once (ran out of gas), and it has never been in for any service. Probably close to 50 people have learned or rediscovered skiing, wakeboarding, surfing, kneeboarding, or discing. Several of them have moved on to their own boats (none of them Moombas).
Most of you guys are relative newbies to the Moomba scene. Hell, it looks like I was a member three years before the "Super Moderator" Drew. In fact, now I am curious who has been around longer than me. I guess Ed was, but I guess we aren't supposed to bring that up. I think some of the old time guys have "traded up", I think noneya did, and aren't around anymore. I also am curious who has an older boat than me, I imagine not very many.
I have been around long enough to hear all of the negative comments and criticisms of Moomba. I do my best to defend Moomba whenever reasonable. (I have purposefully not joined Wakeworld because most of those idiots are unreasonable.) I will venture to say that a lot of the newer guys on here haven't dealt with that, as Moomba has been gaining some respect in the past few years. (The Mojo has done quite a bit for that.) I have recommended Moomba to every person I know looking for a boat, yet no one has every bought one. They seem to get hung up on the bling factor and end up with MC or Nautique or Tige (no Bu's yet).
I guess my point is that I bought a Moomba because I loved to ski, and now love to wakeboard, and it was pretty much all that I could (barely) afford, but I knew it was an SC product and I could trust it. Back then, the boats were basic and functional. Now the whole industry in general is getting carried away. I don't need a computer read out to tell me when my ballast is full. I don't need board racks that swivel. I don't think I even need a wake plate.
A new LSV is almost $2500 per foot (base model). I want an LSV, and they are nice boats, but I just can't justify spending that amount of money on a new one, especially considering that I paid $1000 a foot for my boat when I bought it. I would be okay with $1500 a foot, and I might could be talked into $2000 a foot, but for me to pay twice what I paid for my boat, it would have to function twice as good, and I just don't see that happening. I am wanting to get a v-drive for next season (if all goes well), so I guess next year I will start looking for a 2006+ Mobius LSV with low hours on it in the $30k range because I don't think I can justify spending twice that on a new one that has the exact same wake.
Okay, I'll step down off the podium now!
Moomba 4eva!
I agree that new boat prices across the board have gotten out of control. But you bought your last boat used and it's been great for you, so I think you've got the right idea with the 2006+ LSV.
And they give Super Moderator titles to anyone. :)
Tnbrooks is the Mojo not a true pickle fork front end?
IMO, a wakeboard boat is like a sports car, not a truck or tractor. So, let's compare our boats to that versus the Annual GDP, avg COLA, DJIA or any of those other fancy economic indicators. How about an American icon: the Chevrolet Corvette. It's mostly motor and fiberglass, maybe some leather vs vinyl and tires vs a prop, but bear with me.
According to msnautos.com/Kelley Blue Book, in 2001 a Corvette topped out at $16,805. Unfortunately, 2012 and 2013 numbers aren't posted, so we'll have to use 2011 just so our facts are straight/verifiable. Want to guess the number? Will it be double? More than that?
The published number for a 2011 Chevrolet Corvette is $95,733
That math works out to an increase of over 5.5 times. For something that gets you from Point A to Point B.
Still think SC/Moomba has gone up too much?
I think what many folks forget are two things:
1) R&D. We all like to see new boats, better performance, etc. and that is the result of R&D which costs money and, like marketing, is a cost passed to the consumer.
2) Supplier cost increases. Not just for the raw materials, but what can SC do if/when Indmar, Boatmate, Kicker and/or Kenwood decide to increase their price? It's one thing I've noticed with my boats - I get a bag full of owner's manuals.
I don't think you'll see prices fall - from SC or any of the wakeboat manufacturers. I would think that at some point it will have to hit a cap. But, I thought the same thing a few years ago when the boats were going for just over $100k and now a G23 is pushing $150k. And, people are buying them!
So, guess I'll hop off my soapbox now. FWIW - the "Super Moderator" moniker wasn't self-appointed. I have no idea where that came from and that designation has been given to all the current Mods.
source data:
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/de...model=Corvette
I can see your point about the sports cars comparison, but there is no way a 2001 Corvette topped out at under $17k. My 1999 Ford Contour SVT stickered for over $23k when new. Heck, my 1990 Ford Thunderbird SC stickered at over $24k when new.
I guess you were using used values, and ZR-1's don't count! For the base models the values are $13,595 and $33,655, so that is about 2.5 times in ten years.
I know that priced won't fall, I guess it is a pipe dream. I guess I just don't want Moomba to "forget where they came from" so to speak. I know this happens a lot with people and companies that become successful.
I chalk up anyone that buys a G23 or G25 in the "more money than brains club".
I was just picking on you Drew since you were the only Mods post I could see on my screen at the time.
Side note: I was curious about who had been around as long as me, and did some looking. Search tools can be fun for OCD folks like me. There are currently 18401 forum members; 452 have been active this year; and it looks like 24 of us active this year have been around since I joined (or before). Interesting. Looking at that I kind of wonder if the member list needs purging at some point? Does having all these inactive members eat up storage space?
Okay, beating a dead horse and all...
2003 Corvette base MSRP $43,635
2013 Corvette base MSRP $49,600
That is an increase in about 13.7% in ten years.
2003 Mobius LSV base MSRP $31,695
2013 Mobius LSV base MSRP $51,680
That is an increase of about 63% in ten years.
Hmmmm... might be worse than I thought.
Just playing devil's advocate...
Also, all this fork and spork talk is making me hungry. Might be time for a trip to Bojangles for some fried chicken and dirty rice and look into this spork issue...
Drew just reposts the green piping.....and stop talking bout things we cant control....
I knew i saw this pic before, when i saw it i was thinking thats weird because Drew's boat is Blue...
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/u...pse0bb8122.jpg