Weighting help

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06-05-2013, 02:28 PM
Landlockbeachbum

Weighting help

Hey guys new to the thread and trying to figure out the best set up for my boat. I have been reading a lot of good info from the previous threads but had a little more specific question I couldn't find the answer to and I didn't want to hijack a thread.

My wife and I are new to wakesurfing and trying to get the right weight in the boat. We like to go out by ourselves a lot and get ALL the runs haha. We have an 08 lsv and currently have a 565 in the surf side and 400 in the ski locker. I just purchased a 750 for surf side locker so that will leave me with an extra stock 400 and the 565. With just running the 565 we could hit the sweet spot but it was difficult to stay in it and could really on stay with it when more people were in the boat. My question is when my 750 comes in what should I do with the other bags? Can I just put the 565 on top of the center and call it good? My concern is I don't know if its ok to have more weight in the center of the boat than that back locker. Really want to get into surfing and appreciate the advice!
06-05-2013, 02:34 PM
kaneboats

You have to get the LSV to lean over. Seriously consider cutting the cooler out and using your extra 400 under there. First, put the 750 in the rear on the surf side. You can try the 565 up front but it might be too much. Then again, you may not be able to fill it all the way anyway. Make sure you are running from 9.5 to about 10.5 MPH and in at least 10 feet of water (too shallow and it flattens the wave out terribly). Your wake plate should be all the way up and then adjust down from there to lengthen the pocket. With only two of you, you might want the driver to stand in the aisle instead of sitting on the seat.
06-05-2013, 02:45 PM
mmandley

Agree with the above also but i would put that 565 as far forward in the walkway as possible or use the 400 in the walkway as far forward as you can. I really wouldn't worry about putting the 400 under the seats and removing the cooler unless you goto a traditional IBS bag under the seats in the bow.

I'd be more worried about the boat listing so much the rub rail will be in the water when at idle.

If you do decide to run the 400 under the seats then you will also need to run counter weight in the non surf rear locker.

Apx 300 lbs. This is needed because as you list the boat over more and more, you will actually cause the non surf side of the boat to leave the water, and you need the rear of the boat in the water on both sides to make sure as much of the V from the front half of the hull is in the water, other wise the boat will ride so nose high you lose the V in the water and this helps to shape that wave.
06-05-2013, 03:06 PM
moombadaze

my 08's set up

750 port rear locker
factory 400 under port seat base with the cooler (ice melter) removed
factory 400 in ski locker

sometimes would add the other factory 400 in the walkway

wakeplate about 75% up (bow up position)

about 10 mph

I did purchase a 1100 lb bag but felt it did better with the 750
06-05-2013, 03:10 PM
Landlockbeachbum

Thanks for the quick replies guys, I can't wait to get out there with my new sack where we surf water doesn't go below 20ft so we are good there. I have been going too fast though 10.5 to 12 lol noob mistake!

Mmandley thanks for that last paragraph I did not know that stuff and its really good advice! I am hoping that 565 will fill all the way up in the front, I will let y'all know and try to get some pics put up...
06-05-2013, 03:15 PM
Landlockbeachbum

The time we were able to ride free of the rope I remember having the wake plate around 75%...must be something to it. On the wake am I looking for the curl to be further back?
06-05-2013, 03:18 PM
moombadaze

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Originally Posted by mmandley

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Apx 300 lbs. This is needed because as you list the boat over more and more, you will actually cause the non surf side of the boat to leave the water, and you need the rear of the boat in the water on both sides to make sure as much of the V from the front half of the hull is in the water, other wise the boat will ride so nose high you lose the V in the water and this helps to shape that wave.

im wondering if all the other stuff in the other locker did the same thing, as i never had a balast bag in there
06-05-2013, 03:18 PM
mmandley

Quote:

Originally Posted by Landlockbeachbum

Thanks for the quick replies guys, I can't wait to get out there with my new sack where we surf water doesn't go below 20ft so we are good there. I have been going too fast though 10.5 to 12 lol noob mistake!

Mmandley thanks for that last paragraph I did not know that stuff and its really good advice! I am hoping that 565 will fill all the way up in the front, I will let y'all know and try to get some pics put up...

12 is a little fast for the LSV but as you add weight you will want to speed up.

Speeding up does a few different things to the wave,

If you dont want the big ramp <transition> that forms right behind the swim deck then speeding up will flatten this out some and cause the push <power> of the wave to go farther back and also make the wave longer.

Carefull when you speed up though, if you go too fast the roster tail of the wave will crash on top of the wave making it white and washy <dirty> because the boat will try to flatten out.

Also if you speed up depending on your board, you will need a faster board in the wave to keep up with the boat.

Generally i ask people when they are surfing, does it feel like you are always on your front foor trying to seed the board up? If so then the boat is probally going a little too fast for you.

If you say you are always on your back foot then you might need to move up on the board a little

If the wave feels washy or soft under your board then the boat is probally going too slow and needs to speed up.

You will find the speed you like once you get on the wave, generally a good start is 9.5 - 10.5 but i find i prefer to ride at 10.8 to 11.2 and i have gone as fast as 12 when we have a lot of people.
06-05-2013, 03:19 PM
mmandley

Quote:

Originally Posted by moombadaze

im wondering if all the other stuff in the other locker did the same thing, as i never had a balast bag in there

Very possible, you can also just let people sit on that side of the boat to create the same effect.
06-05-2013, 03:24 PM
mmandley

Quote:

Originally Posted by Landlockbeachbum

The time we were able to ride free of the rope I remember having the wake plate around 75%...must be something to it. On the wake am I looking for the curl to be further back?

Yes the farther back the curl or the white wash the better, the white wash slows you down.

our 08 LSV Wave Regular but this is with a 650 IBS in the Bow
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/u...ingregular.jpg

Same boat Goofy and we ran an additional 400 under the seats behind the driver.

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/u...y/DSC_0189.jpg
06-05-2013, 03:55 PM
kaneboats

Yea, I keep a pretty heavy cooler and a bunch of stuff in there. You also have driver weight on that side.

One suggestion is to move stuff and people around till you find what you like. Change speeds and wakeplate based on each thing you do. Keep notes. I know with the kids I have to put the wake plate down half or below or the wave is so steep they go ripping down it and stab the front of the board into the trough. I like it a little steeper and with more push but I'm bigger and on a bigger board sitting lower into the water.
06-05-2013, 04:38 PM
Landlockbeachbum

Thanks for the pics, that's a sick wake hopefully I can get I. The ball park of that lol. We are riding a liquid force custom...anyone have any experience with those?
06-05-2013, 05:10 PM
jsly04XLV

Re: Weighting help

I ride a 4'2" custom. Love it. Takes a lot of push for me though. 200lbs.

From the mobile
06-05-2013, 05:18 PM
moombadaze

Lake depth also plays a big part

our lake is shallow, avarage 12-15 feet. if i run heavy surf weight my wave is worse.

since were headed to a deep lake for vacation i have ordered xtra ballast bags to see what i can get.
06-05-2013, 05:24 PM
smorris7

Landlock,

I see you are from the Dallas area. If you ever want to head south about 45 minute to Ennis we have a nice little lake down here and we can certainly help you dial the surf wave in.
06-07-2013, 12:50 PM
Landlockbeachbum

Morris, it's a pain for me to trailer my boat...I live in Dallas have my boat stored in a dry stack storage on Eagle Mountain Lake in Ft. worth and my trailer is in Plano lol. However, if I can't get it dialed in maybe my wife and I could come out and surf off your rig to see how it is suppose to feel, that might help out some...we could help out with gas but that goes without saying.
06-07-2013, 01:18 PM
smorris7

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Originally Posted by Landlockbeachbum

Morris, it's a pain for me to trailer my boat...I live in Dallas have my boat stored in a dry stack storage on Eagle Mountain Lake in Ft. worth and my trailer is in Plano lol. However, if I can't get it dialed in maybe my wife and I could come out and surf off your rig to see how it is suppose to feel, that might help out some...we could help out with gas but that goes without saying.

We would be glad to have you guys down any weekend! We are generally on the water sat and sunday. Let me know and come on down. We have a couple other friends with boats (Nautique and Tige) set up to surf and all have great surf waves. Be glad to show you how its set up, plumbed, ect.