have the funds available now for a fresh air exhaust, so if someone wants to get a group buy put together im in.
and no, Im not interested at all in try to put one together
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have the funds available now for a fresh air exhaust, so if someone wants to get a group buy put together im in.
and no, Im not interested at all in try to put one together
I can always get one going but we will need 4-5 people total, normally its 5 but I'm sure i can get it for 4. Discount will most likely be $50 off as that's what they have been running discounts for.
Let me know.
What is a FAE and why would I want/need one?
2013 Outback V
2003 SeaRay 182 -- gone but not forgotten...
Check them out here, lots of info
http://www.freshairexhaust.com/
I was in a Outback that had one-it was very strange how quite the boat was, really changed the experiance of the sounds being on the water, my main reason for wanting to get one.
I am interested, but would love to hear from people who have this installed and what they think of it.
I have ran them on my LSV and the Mojo and i personally love how its more quite in the boat. I find it very relaxing to actually cruise at 21+ and hear the water splashing off the hull.
You still hear the engine but its a lot quiter, pretty simular to how your muffler makes your car quite.
Here is the thread i had for the last one i ran
https://forum.moomba.com/showthread....ighlight=group
And here is the 2012 one i ran.
https://forum.moomba.com/showthread....ighlight=group
Agree with Mike. Here is mine. All my future boats will have one as well. Definitely worth the $$.
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What has been your guys' experience with on-going tinkering to keep them in place, tight, connected properly, etc.??
I've done a little reading across different forums and the end result dropped this lower on my wish list.
So i can understand the FAE reducing the noise, but how does it reduce carbon monoxide? All the FAE is doing is pushing the exhaust down maybe 18 inches lower in the water, it will still bubble up right? Is it that it bubbles up further back behind the surfer now instead of in front of him?
The FAE doesn't reduce carbon monoxide.
At Idle you will still have Carbon Monoxide behind the boat because the air bubbles from the exhaust still burble out at the swim deck.
What it does do is while surfing it causes all exhaust gases to be pushed under water, and they actually exit through the wave and vent to atmosphere behind your surfer.
If you ever watch while surfing the exhaust outlets are above the water line but still being somewhat directed away by the tilt in the swim deck.
The biggest improvements I have noticed with the FAE is that when you surf, the surfer can no longer smell the exhaust. Also we had several people including Claudia and myself getting headachs behind the LSV. This does not happened on the Mojo before the FAE. I think its due to the new engines burning cleaner and the CAT. Mind you, the CAT does not stop carbon monoxide as its an ordorless gas.
The other big improvement that I had noticed, and I have noticed this behind the Mojo before the FAE, and I noticed it behind a lot of boats I have been behind. No more exhaust smell when you come off plane when surfing and wake boarding during your turn around.
I think the rush of smell behind the boat when you come off plane is because the wave behind the boat splashes up on the swim deck and pushes all that exhaust smell into the cabin area.
Berg, I haven't touched mine once since I installed it. I can't remember if there was direction to use loctite or not, but I did use loctite from things I've read on it loosening up. I used it a full summer and didn't have to tighten anything up, thats my experience.
Good to know. And no issues frequently running at wakeboard speed on up to say 30? I'd think there'd be some heavy drag or adjusting needed. But I dunno.
The negatives mostly seemed to come from single outlet exhausts. Loss of power/holeshot, coming lose to the point of almost falling off, excessive spray.
Lol... Sounds like people who don't have one trying to scare off new owners because they're jealous.. None of crap is true..
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Put my FAE on last May and never had a problem, I did not use Loctite and I do check my SS bands after I get home and am cleaning up the boat (usually the next day)
Also, it doesn't seem to effect my boat's wake when I board from 22 to 26 depending on water conditions.
What about skiing, tubing, etc? For the guys that run it, does it affect the perfomance of the boat at any speed or any activity?
This is something I would be very interested in.
Stereo is louder..
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I'd be in for one! This was in my top 3 of off season Mods... Mainly for the stereo upgrade! 😎
I like the idea, but it will block my under water leds.....::rolleyes:
Part of the problem is who's installing it, I saw one post of a guy complaining about losing top end and stalling and falling off, turned out he had it installed backwards.... lol...
I have one on my boat. It does help immensely with exhaust fumes. I personally would not surf without the FAE on a boat with no catalytic converter.
I did not get the expected noise reduction in the boat that others have enjoyed. It's only reduced a bit. Noise behind the boat is hugely reduced. I might need to adjust the pipe angle.
My FAE had a significant manufacturing defect with the support mounting holes being crooked. I was able to compensate due to it shipping with two of the square mounting tubes. As I had it in storage for over two years before installing it, I did not bother the manufacturer about the issue. Just inspect carefully and install promptly if you get one.
Boat performance and wake shape are not affected to any significant degree, at least during normal operations at 10-30 MPH. I haven't really tested top end, but I never cared about that. One thing that is affected is turbulence under the water behind the prop. For surface sports, it's not a problem. If you like to do hydrofoiling, it will be negatively affected for beginners who like to cruise behind the boat. They won't inhale exhaust anymore, but it will be harder to remain steady when directly behind the boat.
The only issue that I had with mounting remaining steady was that I believed my dad instead of the instructions regarding how tight the clamps should be. One pipe fitting came loose while towing the boat on the trailer. This leads to another issue: I think I'll do something to prevent swim platform movement. The FAE hangs on it, and it's got freedom to bounce around a bit.
With a new boat, I would be very keen to get feedback directly from the boat's manufacturer first. There may be an issue of backpressure and catalytic converters that are on most current towboats. Nautique is making the FAE-designed Surf Pipe available as a factory option (http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/...ad.php?t=56874). However, that's not the same product as the main FAE, and there could be a warranty issue on other, newer boats. For a second-hand account, see post #63 here:
http://www.mbboatowners.com/index.ph...t-sucks/page-4
I put one on my '12 LSV earlier this summer. I love it. Made a pretty big difference in the sound. Before it was hard to communicate with the surfers even when you were on the back of the boat. Now I can talk to them from the drivers seat pretty easily. Music sounds way better when you are surfing too.
The install was pretty easy. I have the same setup as the earlier pics in this thread with the cross beam mounted to the swim platform. That method of installation on the LSV is a very sturdy setup. They also had me put some screws in the exhaust ports on the boat to help hold the FAE. I check it after each run and I have not seen any loosening at all and that's after probably a 100 hours this summer. My installed pics are in this post.
Nobody talks about exhaust smells anymore either, after the FAE install. We didn't really notice before so it wasn't bad, but you can definitely tell that it is better now. We also pull slalom skiers at 30+ and wake boarders pretty regularly and I have not noticed any difference in handling, power or wake with the FAE installed.
I'm happy I put it on and can recommend it.
Ron
Ron, thanks for linking your photos. like that install better with the way it ties into the brackets.
Yes, thank you Ron. I apparently missed that thread and I too like the option to tie into the sides of the brackets.
I know bad news always travels fast so it's good to hear some very solid positive feedback instead. I'm sure that the FAE guys are getting their setups more dialed in as well.
Hmmmm, seeing this sliding back up the priority list now.
One other thing for the driver to keep in mind with an FAE: there are no flaps. If you do an emergency stop, you could hydrolock the engine and wreck it.
I did such a manoeuver shortly after installing the FAE. The engine cut out. I was able to restart, but it continued to frequently cut out. We had to end our day. I eventually figured out that water was being held in the exhaust system due to the upward slant of the FAE. After disconnecting it and draining the water, regular operation was resumed with no apparent damage.
Lol... More false info..
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What about backing up?
what about it?
I've got flaps on mine.
All the new ones built now have the option for Flaps.
I have the flap option in mine as well.
No flaps no issues..
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I never had any issues on my 08 with no flaps, but I'm not going to say it can't happen LOL. I think we ever reverse very hard. I only use reverse at idle when launching, then i use it to dock, and i use it to slow the boat to a stop near my riders when they are done LOL.
We use reverse all the time while surfing, you can avoid the rollers by using reverse to do a hard stop and then let the wave pass you, or backup to the surfer if they're close. Saves a lot of time, not fuel.. :)
The flaps are there to keep water out when the boat isn't running from waves smacking the rear of the boat, since the fea entrance is below the waterfall the time there's no wave to hit it...
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I too hardly ever use reverse. I don't have the flapper option and haven't had an issue. I guess I don't understand what the flapper would really be accomplishing anyways since there will always be water in your exhaust. The option sounds like a myth and is probably available to give people peace of mind. Maybe not, that's just my opinion.
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I believe the flaps are there mostly to keep water out when the boat is docked, but are also for warranty purposes.
I wish that it were. Unfortunately, I did encounter this failure while trying to do an emergency move to save a fallen rider from being run over by another boat. I did get pretty much in his path, but the only thing left that I could do was to honk my horn.
The other posters are correct -- there is now a flapper option, as seen on http://www.freshairexhaust.com/fae-options/ . Unfortunately, that section also has a theoretical discussion about water intrusion in the exhaust that does not agree with my real-world experience.
This has not led me to remove my FAE. However, if I have to do another move like that, I would know to favour turns over sudden deceleration. If I were to buy and FAE today, I would definitely get the flapper option. I see that there is a retrofit, so I now plan to get that next year.
In the panic you probably went from drive to reverse to quickly and stalled the engine..
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The engine problem continued until I detached the FAE to drain the water.
I sure as hell wasn't panicking. I knew exactly what I was doing. We've had a couple of situations with non-attentive drivers in other boats a couple of times over the years. As soon as my buddy said something like "I don't think that boat sees her", I immediately knew that I had to do a 180, then possibly another 160 to ram the other boat away from our fallen rider. There was a sudden deceleration when starting the second turn and we came off of plane, so there was likely a big wash hitting us in the stern. My attention was not on the stern. It was on the other boat, the rider, steering, throttle, and gauging trajectories.
It was the rider's first time wakeboarding. She wasn't really aware of the seriousness of the situation. My GF was on board and understood though. On that day, she realised I wasn't bragging when I had said before the season (her first) started that the pretty boat which she was admiring was less important than people, and that I'd willfully damage it if necessary to protect them.
I am glad that FAE now has a fix for this issue. I'll take it.
Did we ever get a head count on this!? We have enough for the discount yet?