SL550 weight.

I finally got my 2022 sl550 to the weigh station today. I always like to find out exactly what I’m pulling so went to the local cat scale.
Boat currently has all my gear in it, full fuel and 1000lbs of lead.

Total weight was 10,120lbs, when attached to the truck it showed 820lbs of tongue weight and 9300lbs on the trailer. This is on the Supra triple axle trailer.

For comparisons sake I went to the same scale with my 2020 Sl450, same gear inside and same 1000lbs Of lead a couple years ago.
Total weight on it was 8840lbs when it was attached to the same truck it showed 8140lbs on the trailer and 700lbs of tongue weight. This was on the standard Supra dual axle trailer.

I thought this would be good info to share for anyone curious.
I tow this with a 20 GMC Sierra 1500 with the 3.0 duramax. Awesome towing vehicle and I average 10mpg running 75 on the interstate. The only mods done to the truck are rear air bags. I think they are a necessity. Truck is extremely stable towing

Good info on the actual weight. I want to take my SL to the local CAT scale too. All loaded up.

I'm surprised the 2020 to 2022 was 8.8K to 10.1K with appx the same lead, fuel, and gear. Maybe I was not up to date on the newer 2022 weights.

Your 2020 was probably listed as the same as my 2018 where the boat was 5.6K and the boat & trailer was 7.2k. Not counting any gear.

I’m just guessing that 500 lbs or so is trailer alone. They beefed up the the new trailers. Also this one has one extra axle as well. It doesn’t seem to tow any harder, I think the triple tows better as well

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Originally Posted by mjb929rr

I’m just guessing that 500 lbs or so is trailer alone. They beefed up the the new trailers. Also this one has one extra axle as well. It doesn’t seem to tow any harder, I think the triple tows better as well

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That was my next question. If you liked the triple vs double.


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It really does track a lot better on the road. I don’t think you could safely tow this on a double axle with 18s. As the weight would overload the tires. I think you would have to get the base 15” trailer tires on a double to stay within limits.
I believe the builder even states no 18” wheels on a double for the sl or se

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Originally Posted by mjb929rr

It really does track a lot better on the road. I don’t think you could safely tow this on a double axle with 18s. As the weight would overload the tires. I think you would have to get the base 15” trailer tires on a double to stay within limits.
I believe the builder even states no 18” wheels on a double for the sl or se

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You are correct, 18’s on a dual axle maxes out at 9084#, if they are still using trailer king 225/75/15 that gets you to 10,160#


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1300 lbs difference seems like a lot. I can see the axle wheels tires etc being 500 but where's the other 800 coming from?

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Originally Posted by SONIC

1300 lbs difference seems like a lot. I can see the axle wheels tires etc being 500 but where's the other 800 coming from?

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The new SL is appx 500# more than the previous generation.


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Ah, i forgot the SL just got the updates.
That makes sense

My advice if you have a 1/2 ton tow vehicle and a relatively new wake boat....

Don't go to the scales. Ignorance is bliss. Ask me how I know

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Originally Posted by Guppydriver

My advice if you have a 1/2 ton tow vehicle and a relatively new wake boat....

Don't go to the scales. Ignorance is bliss. Ask me how I know

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They are definitely getting up there in weight for a half ton. I believe being able to tow with the tower down helps immensely on the highway, and having 3 axles with brakes makes a huge difference. Highly recommend getting electric over hydraulic for the trailer brakes.

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Originally Posted by mjb929rr

They are definitely getting up there in weight for a half ton. I believe being able to tow with the tower down helps immensely on the highway, and having 3 axles with brakes makes a huge difference. Highly recommend getting electric over hydraulic for the trailer brakes.

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Yep!!

Out of all the "sexy" upgrades I was offered and did get, this is the one I wish I would have sprung for! I won't have another boat over 5k pounds with surge brakes.

My particular boat likes (as in needs) 150 pounds of lead right in the bow, so I leave it there full time. Of course, when I threw it on the scale, that 150 pounds transfers right into the hitch weight, reducing payload. So now I feel compelled to move the weight back every time I tow, which my back doesn't like too much!!

Anyway, I hate daily driving a 3/4 ton, so I made sure to forgo a few options on my truck order I would normally get just to preserve some payload capacity. A wakeboat at 10k pounds is crazy!

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Originally Posted by Guppydriver

Yep!!

Out of all the "sexy" upgrades I was offered and did get, this is the one I wish I would have sprung for! I won't have another boat over 5k pounds with surge brakes.

My particular boat likes (as in needs) 150 pounds of lead right in the bow, so I leave it there full time. Of course, when I threw it on the scale, that 150 pounds transfers right into the hitch weight, reducing payload. So now I feel compelled to move the weight back every time I tow, which my back doesn't like too much!!

Anyway, I hate daily driving a 3/4 ton, so I made sure to forgo a few options on my truck order I would normally get just to preserve some payload capacity. A wakeboat at 10k pounds is crazy!

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Not to derail but my mojo with surge brakes absolutely pushed my 1500 off the mountain to the point I don't even know if the surge brakes work at all.
Now tow with a 2500 diesel and no problem but I couldn't imagine a heavier boat that I see being pulled all the time with something that has a 5000lb tow cap

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Originally Posted by Josh828

Not to derail but my mojo with surge brakes absolutely pushed my 1500 off the mountain to the point I don't even know if the surge brakes work at all.
Now tow with a 2500 diesel and no problem but I couldn't imagine a heavier boat that I see being pulled all the time with something that has a 5000lb tow cap

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This is actually a great point so I'll even derail a little further..

I'm sure there are a lot of F-150 owners out there being the most popular vehicle and all. The hitch on the f-150 is actually rated for only 5k without weight distribution. Since boat trailers really don't incorporate weight distribution hitches, virtually every F-150 owner is exceeding the hitch limits when pulling their boat. It's something that really bothered me when I ordered my F-150 last December. My current Tundra has a 10K hitch IIRC.

I'll obviously tow my boat with the Ford when it comes, but if what I was pulling was close to 10K, I'd be leary from a liability standpoint.

If my boat weighed 10K, I'd bite the bullet and get a HD/SD rig.

You can order F150with max tow package to increase the hitch rating. For anyone interested to see what they have rating wise, crawl under your hitch, it is stamped on the the tow and tongue weight rating.

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Originally Posted by Guppydriver

This is actually a great point so I'll even derail a little further..

I'm sure there are a lot of F-150 owners out there being the most popular vehicle and all. The hitch on the f-150 is actually rated for only 5k without weight distribution. Since boat trailers really don't incorporate weight distribution hitches, virtually every F-150 owner is exceeding the hitch limits when pulling their boat. It's something that really bothered me when I ordered my F-150 last December. My current Tundra has a 10K hitch IIRC.

I'll obviously tow my boat with the Ford when it comes, but if what I was pulling was close to 10K, I'd be leary from a liability standpoint.

If my boat weighed 10K, I'd bite the bullet and get a HD/SD rig.

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This is why I completely removed the factory tow package on my F150 and replaced everything with Curt Class IV rated hardware. Took a little cutting with a saws all but nothing difficult. Sucks they come equipped but there are ways to upgrade so it’s at least using hardware rated for these boats. I have it posted somewhere in the tow vehicle thread in off topic but worth the upgrade to any F150 owner IMO.

I tow with 300 lbs of lead in the bow with my old 2010 5.4L Triton F150. I definitely know the boat is back there. I just try and drive conservative but hate the surge brake feeling. Would love electric next time.

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Originally Posted by KnoxMojo

You can order F150with max tow package to increase the hitch rating. For anyone interested to see what they have rating wise, crawl under your hitch, it is stamped on the the tow and tongue weight rating.

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Technically you are correct but there is YUGE caveat. This little note in the 2022 (and 2021) F-150 Tow guide:

• Do not exceed trailer weight of 5,000 lbs. when towing with bumper only.

ANYTHING over 5000 pounds technically requires a WDH to reach it's max hitch rating. The problem is boat trailers are not built for WDH.

Found some pics of what I did with my factory tow package basically cutting the brackets down to allow a Curt Class IV hitch to work around the bumper brackets…

https://i.imgur.com/A9C0Okj.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2qE5mTY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gwTIVqd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5TgZ0BC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kzU5KaY.jpg

Explains why Ford rates 5000lbs as bumper towing and not conventional. Their hitch is literally the bumper.

That is poor engineering for a truck with 12k towing ability.
Should have not put a hitch on it and mounted the ball in the bumper and called it a tow package...lol

Yup you’re almost better off not ordering any tow package but unfortunately they group things in such a way that if you want option X you also have to have option Y, Z and LMNOP.

In fact what I ordered they don’t technically make as a replacement for a factory tow equipped F150. What they make for that is an dual receiver that mounts below the factory receiver. It looks like an abomination IMO. So what I did was order a Curt hitch receiver for an F150 that did not come with factory tow option once I realized I could just cut the stupid brackets down to allow a proper mount to the frame, as it should be for this kind of weight. The factory “bumper” for an F150 is really nothing more than a bumper cap. The actual bumper is the brackets, well I guess a;so the factory tow hitch metal lol. It’s a joke so that is what I changed mine for better piece of mind.

On the Gen14 F150 max tow package you get more than just a hitch and Brake controller.

The 9.75” 3/4 floating axle on the max tow is legit.

https://tfltruck.com/2020/12/news-th...ng-your-truck/

I have sworn never to discuss the Ford hitch again.

But the 21+ 3.5 TT max tow pulls a Fat SA (guessing 9000# ish) great and 10mpg isn’t awful at 80mph including the hills of Tennessee.

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I should have emphasized my gen F150. I like the new trucks. Just can’t afford them :D

I know the hitch is a sore subjuct for you. Not trying to get into that conversation.

Just never seen under a new F150. Seeing it explains the ratings. As for the truck, nothing bad to say, just do not agree with Ford motive to make the limiting factor the hitch design.

Nothing has changed on the 2021+ hitch.


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Originally Posted by Josh828

Not to derail but my mojo with surge brakes absolutely pushed my 1500 off the mountain to the point I don't even know if the surge brakes work at all.
Now tow with a 2500 diesel and no problem but I couldn't imagine a heavier boat that I see being pulled all the time with something that has a 5000lb tow cap

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so far so good with my 2008 expy... its rated for 9k. wife wants me to upgrade, but i dont see a reason to other than for "looks"

i do agree about the surge tho.

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Originally Posted by mjb929rr

I’m just guessing that 500 lbs or so is trailer alone. They beefed up the the new trailers. Also this one has one extra axle as well. It doesn’t seem to tow any harder, I think the triple tows better as well

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i would bet the trailer weighs in at least 1500lb. my 2022 mojo trailer is 1200

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Originally Posted by vdubnick

i would bet the trailer weighs in at least 1500lb. my 2022 mojo trailer is 1200

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I meant the difference between the previous dual axle to the triple axle trailer. I would guess the new triple is 2000lbs or so. It’s built much heavier than even the triple used in 2020. My old trailer used the 2” ball whereas this one is 2-5/16

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Originally Posted by larry_arizona

On the Gen14 F150 max tow package you get more than just a hitch and Brake controller.

The 9.75” 3/4 floating axle on the max tow is legit.

https://tfltruck.com/2020/12/news-th...ng-your-truck/

I have sworn never to discuss the Ford hitch again.

But the 21+ 3.5 TT max tow pulls a Fat SA (guessing 9000# ish) great and 10mpg isn’t awful at 80mph including the hills of Tennessee.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2fab19c068.jpg


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Don't even get me started on the MTP when equipped with a powerboost! There isn't anyone who can definitively say what it includes and what it doesn't. I lurk and occasionally post on two Gen14 forums, and it's almost funny how much confusion there is. I know that's a convo for another day and a different audience though. I have a scheduled build date of 5/31 (ordered my F150 SCREW PB 12/24) and i went with the regular tow package because I got a lot of the MTP stuff with the engine upgrade. Like Hak alluded with regard to packaging, the MTP required me to go up to 20 inch wheels (that I didn't want or need) so it was in essence like 3 grand for a upgraded bumper and larger rear brakes.

Sorry for the rant, I know this is a boat forum