22 Xstar-S

For an all new flagship model, it feels like MC is just catching up with features Supra and others already debuted 1-3 years ago.

Tower options look improved, copied the thruster twist knob feature, Bimini looks smallish, not sure on the transom seating, still using klipsh crap audio, that windshield curve although different looks odd, MC seems behind on their flooring options still. Nothing wows me about this boat.

Correct me if I am wrong but the MSRP will be 225k?

Supra just seems to get it right at the right price point.

https://youtu.be/5U_2hOSrXqs


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Apparent the “S” stands for seats......LOL

Also, first year that MC has offered a surf pipe.

Perhaps Dock star couldn’t cut it and a $12k thruster option was added.



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I thought DockStar was the award-winning drive system???? Guess the added rudders are just more to leak or break off when you hit something. $12k for thrusters is a bit much.

The surf system was/is designed my Malibu so not really their system. And looks similar to everyone else.

I like the windshield. It will suck if you are a tint guy, but its different. The foot rest on the rear are where it is at though. I sat in the Supra lounge seats and thought they needs foot rest. $225K would be hard to swallow for this though.

From the company that needs even more models of boats.....!!! LOL Ya I am not sure about all of this transom seating...those of you guys that opted for it do you find it was worth the $?

I couldn't agree with you more Larry. They are way behind the curve when it comes to the options, tech, and luxury. To me their Tower and Bimini are still the worst looking in the industry.

Supras are just the right amount of everything in an awesome package! That is why I hope they don't get crazy expensive like Malibus, Nautics, and MasterCrafts have these days.

Sounds like that curved windshield is not available on the 2022’s. There are supply issues.


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From the company that needs even more models of boats.....!!! LOL Ya I am not sure about all of this transom seating...those of you guys that opted for it do you find it was worth the $?

I couldn't agree with you more Larry. They are way behind the curve when it comes to the options, tech, and luxury. To me their Tower and Bimini are still the worst looking in the industry.

Supras are just the right amount of everything in an awesome package! That is why I hope they don't get crazy expensive like Malibus, Nautics, and MasterCrafts have these days.

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I agree with you about the Supra brand. They are still being price point luxury boats with consistent innovation. I like how after 2-3 years they trickle down to the Moomba brand also.

If they stay the course, SC will be the dominate wake boat on the water.

I also like the MB Sports boats but being mid-west/east coast there are zero dealers for me to get excited about them. The local-ish Centurion dealer could see my business in a few years but they are climbing in price just like the others.

That video literally put me to sleep. So many big words that didn’t mean shit.


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Autowake and swell surf has been out for years and star surf kinda just caught up too.


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Nothing new to see here. Move along!


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Hope all the boat companies are respecting each other patents. Price wise, I think they are. Lol.

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Curious who owns the twist throttle thruster patent.


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Very weak for a X star... I wish they would come back out with the X80 all 28' of yacht haha

Mixed reviews on team talk.

S is surf specific, still have regular x star.

Still cool seeing the competitors 22’s

Nautiques new towers are nice and the telescope paragon tower is available on the regular G23.

Wasn’t intending to bust mastercraft’s balls, but Supra is still killing it.


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sure it's a nice boat and looking at it without brand googles on there are some things to like about it and some not so much like ANY boat but......

couldn't stop seeing that guys HUGE wedding ring. kinda stood out against his outfit.
interesting that half the surf shots are riding foil boards. seems odd as that's not the surfboard I would use to tout a "new" model.
as mentioned by russell, LOTS of odd words to describe the boat/finishes/tech.

can't say much about the boat until seeing/riding one in person as marketing is going to make it seem like the cats pajamas BUT if it's truly 200k, there are a LOT of options for less coin from tige/supra/centurion/nautty that imo I'd rather shop but they will sell some of them for sure...
they haven't been in business as long as the rest by producing duds.

I think its a ugly boat imo... the lines look kind of like a MB. The color of that one is ugly. The thruster knob looks cheap. Supra did such a better job.

I've always liked the X. Wakeboarding in the past. I like the new back seats. Have not been on one of the newer models in the last few years.

Looks like they are they to make some moves to get some of the customers back from the Gs.

Was on an X22 last summer. Solid wave. Never been on the X24. I do think it's odd on the subject of how many models they have, but it works for them. They know that buyers are looking for refreshed models.

Yea, they are playing catch up on some stuff. But how many boat makers are willing to stick their neck out on trying all the "new innovations"? Nautique?

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I agree that the Supra is the right price point for looks and features. Centurion is a close second but I hated the color schemes and look of the body, it was very antiquated and no matter what I did I couldn't get a color scheme to look clean or aggressive.

I just cant get behind the hull shape on the new Mastercrafts. (or the new MB) Just straight up ugly lines IMO.

I do like the rear seats though those are pretty boss, I'd love to have them on my SA. I also like the aluminum surround on the dash screen, it takes away some screen space but looks a little more traditional than my supra starship dash. That steering wheel is hideous though.

MC's new actuators with the position sensors are very nice, I assume they are using the same Parker actuators as Tige which makes the wave 100% repeatable, unlike Supra/Moomba who is still using lencos with no sensors. The Xstar wave is no joke, debatably better than any of the supra waves out of the box.

I'm not really brand loyal I love my supra but also like most other brands. When I was shopping I climbed around a 21 Xstar and it is a very nice boat very clean and well executed interior with a different styling than supra. I think MC and Nautique lean more toward traditional high end interiors with superior materials, stitching and quality where supra tige and malibu are aiming more for an impressive visual impact, to each their own. I love my SA interior but it doesn't have the same classy feel of a G23 IMO.

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I just cant get behind the hull shape on the new Mastercrafts. (or the new MB) Just straight up ugly lines IMO.

I do like the rear seats though those are pretty boss, I'd love to have them on my SA. I also like the aluminum surround on the dash screen, it takes away some screen space but looks a little more traditional than my supra starship dash. That steering wheel is hideous though.

MC's new actuators with the position sensors are very nice, I assume they are using the same Parker actuators as Tige which makes the wave 100% repeatable, unlike Supra/Moomba who is still using lencos with no sensors. The Xstar wave is no joke, debatably better than any of the supra waves out of the box.

I'm not really brand loyal I love my supra but also like most other brands. When I was shopping I climbed around a 21 Xstar and it is a very nice boat very clean and well executed interior with a different styling than supra. I think MC and Nautique lean more toward traditional high end interiors with superior materials, stitching and quality where supra tige and malibu are aiming more for an impressive visual impact, to each their own. I love my SA interior but it doesn't have the same classy feel of a G23 IMO.

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I feel like the comparison between mc/Nautique and Supra to be very similar to my wife’s car and mine. She has a 21 Mercedes gls, very nice classy interior. I have a 20 GMC Sierra Denali, nice interior but not quite up to the Mercedes in quality. However we both Agree that the truck is much more comfy to drive and for a road trip.

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I feel like the comparison between mc/Nautique and Supra to be very similar to my wife’s car and mine. She has a 21 Mercedes gls, very nice classy interior. I have a 20 GMC Sierra Denali, nice interior but not quite up to the Mercedes in quality. However we both Agree that the truck is much more comfy to drive and for a road trip.

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Dead on. The truck probably has more amenities and features too just not as well executed overall as the Benz.

@larry_arizona have you heard the klipsch system? I haven't but all my home audio is Klipsch and it's miles ahead of any boat system. (granted apples to bananas here but still)
I have no idea if they went cheap with the boat stuff or not, a lot of their modern stuff is just so-so but from my past experience I would expect it to be quite good.

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Dead on. The truck probably has more amenities and features too just not as well executed overall as the Benz.

@larry_arizona have you heard the klipsch system? I haven't but all my home audio is Klipsch and it's miles ahead of any boat system. (granted apples to bananas here but still)
I have no idea if they went cheap with the boat stuff or not, a lot of their modern stuff is just so-so but from my past experience I would expect it to be quite good.

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I have not heard the marine line at all, I just know MC owners hate them on team talk and can’t wait for the 5 year contract to end.


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Interesting. I need to find a MC to listen to

used to sell klipsch many years ago. their higher end stuff at "real" stereo shops or magnolia is very good. their entry/mid stuff is not so much- such as what best buy sells. I would suspect thats what has influenced their boat offerings. interestingly they are looking to make a big push into automotive audio and have partnered with panasonic. not the brand I think of when I think car audio....

klipsch of all companies should be ripe for plucking business from other boat offerings. everyone wants hlcd's for their towers. most would agree that the old 70's klipsch horns are nothing short of amazing so the company has the history and "brand awareness" to pull it off. wonder where the derail happened.

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After a quick perusal of teamtalk it seems like Klipsch woefully underpowered the system. Not surprising as they tend to do the same with their home stuff.
They are of the mindset that more sensitive speakers don't need as much power, which is true, but more sensitive speakers with more power is even better IMO.
I run 200+ watts into each of my klipsh speakers that should only "need" 30 or 40 watts and the difference is amazing.
Looks like they missed the mark here unfortunately. Review of the actual components is much better.

On the plus side that probably means we'll see some cheap klipsch speakers up for sale in the next few years that just need a more powerful amp to sound great :D

I think audiovox owns klipsch now.

It feels like what happened to Polk audio.


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used to sell klipsch many years ago. their higher end stuff at "real" stereo shops or magnolia is very good. their entry/mid stuff is not so much- such as what best buy sells. I would suspect thats what has influenced their boat offerings. interestingly they are looking to make a big push into automotive audio and have partnered with panasonic. not the brand I think of when I think car audio....

klipsch of all companies should be ripe for plucking business from other boat offerings. everyone wants hlcd's for their towers. most would agree that the old 70's klipsch horns are nothing short of amazing so the company has the history and "brand awareness" to pull it off. wonder where the derail happened.

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Agreed, best buy or amazon klipsch is barely mid-fi, they have cheapened the brand a lot in the past 10 years or so since audiovox took over it seems.

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it's happening everywhere. I bought a set of def techs when I got divorced back in '09. GARBAGE. they used to be a solid brand.
back in the mid90's I went to a polk training class and allowed me a buy a set of rt-3000p's with matching centers and ls/fx rears. they were AMAZING but got tired of moving them and ex hated them. I now have rt110's for mains and they are OK. not great and a far cry from the rt's of the day.
will be interesting to see how the mm6502 separates sound we are installing in the 'maro this winter.

the older I get the deaf-er I get so I suppose it's all good :)

They still make the ugliest tower in the business. But finally you can put some color on it. but still ugly.

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Yessir, I could not agree more. Worst looking in the industry, reminds me of the old school chrome pipe towers of the 90’s


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I do like that they fold backwards instead of into the drivers seat, but like others have said, MC is just lagging behind in some areas. tower, stereo, and quite frankly the seats are not all the comfortable and quite stiff. Another thing i noticed was the latches for lowering the tower came into the seating area and you couldn't sit by them unless you wanted to bang the back of your head on them.

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I do like that they fold backwards instead of into the drivers seat, but like others have said, MC is just lagging behind in some areas. tower, stereo, and quite frankly the seats are not all the comfortable and quite stiff. Another thing i noticed was the latches for lowering the tower came into the seating area and you couldn't sit by them unless you wanted to bang the back of your head on them.

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I have mixed feelings on tower folding forward or backwards.

Plus and minus to both directions.


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So not to thread derail but I will not start a thread about a heyday so, have y'all seen the heyday H22?!

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The H22 finally looks like a real wakeboat, but still no surf system.

Heck, they even signed Mike Dowdy.

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What's the price point on it?

MSRP $75k and gets in the mid $90’s.

It’s still a bayliner.

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That same color was on our lake last weekend. I have to say it looks much better than the older models, but I still think the front end is ugly when viewed straight on.

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I wonder if those back seats are still considered legal for riding like the hot tub seats were.

Somehow this boat showed up on my FB feed and I was surprised to learn there is a very passionate Heyday community out there, though they do like to complain about upholstery.

I had same thoughts on the rear seats. They look like they are designed with a footrest and a rail in front of them, or behind them however you view it.

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buyers all day long at a 50-60k pricepoint. at 90k, they will still sell a few with the lack of wakeboats available but in a normal market I don't see that being a 90k boat much less a 75k boat.

Larry, what do you mean no surf system. can you not see the mission surf bag on the seats for the wakeshaper?? :) it does say surf system so wonder what that is.

that looks to be, hands down, the easiest v-drive to change an impeller in. if that hatch does fold over and expose the entire engine.
first mod- turning the front light bar into a "knight rider" flashing light :) don't laugh- someone will try eventually.......

Actually the Heyday I saw must have not been this model. This one appears to have a better looking front shape.

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