Has anyone tried to use two shapers at the same time, one in the back, and one in the middle/front? I just came across "surfmode" system on YouTube and it looks interesting. Also, they claim you don't have to use as much total ballast/weight.
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Has anyone tried to use two shapers at the same time, one in the back, and one in the middle/front? I just came across "surfmode" system on YouTube and it looks interesting. Also, they claim you don't have to use as much total ballast/weight.
interesting...
maybe the next "gamechanger" will be gills that stick out and retract all down the side of the boat similar to surfgate.. :)
Caterpillar propulsion system + surf wave.
hahaha... now that would be something to see. brings new meaning to the term crabbing.
If one is good, two must be better.
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People that purchase them, like them. I'm not sold on the less displacement thing.
Bryan, who makes them, gave a set (or 2) to some people around the Knoxville area for guys to try out. They have been getting passed around. That is how I know people like them.
I have a buddy coming down with his 24 Launch in a few weeks. I'm going to get them to try out on his boat. We will see.
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Nauticurl has some pics on their website displaying double shapers in the back, not back and middle.
Same concept as the companies making the big mega shapers, displace more water.
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I have an original wake makers auto surf system installed, then 2 summers ago wake makers said try the delta mission surf device.
So we did and wow what a difference, but in the same scale the drag is insane
Running 2200lbs i the rear and then 500 center was no issue, then added the delta device and i can see, feel hear the extra drag in the engine working.
I am not sure about 2 of these devices
I put a Nauticurl and a Swell slim on the starboard rear corner, staggered with the NC just below waterline nestled in under the raised Sanger emblem. The swell was well below waterline at the rear corner. Noticeable drag especially going into headwind, and a robust wake with no push. This was just with my wife driving and 2 dogs. I haven’t been able to try placing one at mid ships yet to see the result. I just added 200# of lead, and had 100# on top of 90%+ full ballast.
I’ll post when I do.
Lots of posts on the Facebook page of people liking them.
Here's another Youtube video of a guy (Btuff) using two shapers -- best wave he's ever had, and he experiments a ton.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eGx74kXE-E
I used to own a Yamaha and the forums are rife with all kinds of crazy stuff to make a surf wave behind a Yamaha. Personally, the only thing that worked was putting so much weight on the back corner that I was worried the engines would explode at any minute. The pocket was very small but surfable.
One of the experiments everyone tried was additional shapers. In almost all cases multiple shapers either tore off or actually messed up the delayed wake effect caused by the primary shaper. My guess is that additional shapers would not have any effect. A larger shaper or different shape might.
Yamaha? Is that a stern drive or a jet boat? Hopefully not a stern drive unless you don't like to keep your head connected your shoulders!
Yamaha’s are jet boats.
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It was a dual jet boat. On paper that can be OK for surfing as there is no prop to worry about. In practice the single engine Yamaha Jet boats produce a small surfable wave but can't handle much weight. My dual engine boat could handle enough weight to create a medium surf wave with a very short pocket BUT the dual engines put the jetwash right on the face of the wave so we had to knock it down with what was essentially a giant mud flap device. The other problem is the Yamaha hull is very flat and has a shallow draft which isn't designed to be sunk like you do with surfing. I was always worried about a) swamping, b) burning out an engine, c) correctly rigging all the extra ballast bags. My Moomba? Flick some switches and wait a couple minutes. Big improvement to my surf day.
I'm sure surfmode is a good product. Their marketing gets on everyone's nerves tho. They were banned from 1 of the surf groups.
I noticed that too. I think the weekly if not > weekly promotion was too much for some.Quote:
Originally Posted by DNIXD99
He sells a lot of them on the Supra/Moomba page. Nice guy. Does not talk 'smack' about the other products. Not sure if that is reciprocated.
Overall, I think it's funny that they ALL copy someone else, then call the other people copy-cats
Some people are just haters, but their approach is very off putting. I own a machine shop, and grew up in the business. When he first came out with it, just reading all of the "only 5 axis machine in the state" "we have the best machinist" blah blah blah. He came across like a snake oil salesman. Its a Router, and he makes wood furniture. Most oilfield machinist would LOL at that nonsense. Someone even called him a snake oil salesman in the comments. It was the first thing that came to my mind, but I really dont care. As far as I can tell the consumers like the product, so good for them. Although, considering the amount of people he gave deals to in the beginning, I dont understand why there arent more reviews. But really not my problem, just my worthless opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
He does, he's just more subtle about it. "If you've been suffering with one of the other shapers on the market, pm me for a discount code".Quote:
Originally Posted by MJHSupra
He's gotten more realistic with his claims lately. He started out with a bunch of pseudo-scientific BS, and claiming you could eliminate ballast with his "game changer".
He did come out with the first narrow and flexible cup setup, which actually was a bit of a game-changer, because it made it easier to fit to more boats.
He also seems to have excellent customer service, which is always great to see.
BTW - cool pics/video on Facebook of that MAX wave.Quote:
Originally Posted by DNIXD99
I just saw one of his peeps commenting a couple days ago "Its not just a shaper, its mechanical ballast" LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Shoebox
Lol. Yeah, the only mechanical ballast is the Malibu wedge.Quote:
Originally Posted by DNIXD99
Off subject....Im starting to notice Heyday reps do the same thing. Were all proud of our boats, so I never mind consumers bragging, and Id feel the same with wakeshapers, but reps can be annoying.
So far Ive seen it suggested that the G23 Paragon Hull copied the Heyday Hull. Only they kept spelling it Haul, which made it even funnier lol
It came to light that the Heyday (new) preformed better with a shaper. Rep defends this with "most major brands perform better with a shaper"
I looked at Heyday, before Moomba, and it just wasnt for me. I have a "budget" boat, so I wouldnt knock anyone with one, but I hope there arent customers out there convinced they bought a budget Paragon, or that everyone is using shapers.
Correct craft copied Heyday.......that is rich!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DNIXD99
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