Ragboy’s surf setup tutorial

If this was already posted, sorry. Thought everyone would enjoy as I saw it on Wakeworld.


https://youtu.be/fRX6v9QpycI

I agree with most of it except the 50% wakeplate comment. That’s far too much. It lift the stern out of the water at that much deployment.


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Originally Posted by Stazi

I agree with most of it except the 50% wakeplate comment. That’s far too much. It lift the stern out of the water at that much deployment.


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I agree Stazi. Maybe if you are slammed with weight but I haven’t reached that point on the Mojo.

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Originally Posted by BigOrange

I agree Stazi. Maybe if you are slammed with weight but I haven’t reached that point on the Mojo.

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Agreed, I run mine around 25-15 depending on people to maintain the pitch I want. I also used the clinometer app he talks about. I don't use auto wake but like to keep track of my pitch and roll and this app does a great job at it.

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I agree Stazi. Maybe if you are slammed with weight but I haven’t reached that point on the Mojo.

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When you say slammed, how exactly are you quantifying that? Rub rail at level of water, etc?

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I agree with most of it except the 50% wakeplate comment. That’s far too much. It lift the stern out of the water at that much deployment.


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I was thinking the same thing when I watched it. You'd have to lighten the bow or add a ton of weight to the rear to get 9.5 with the wakeplate at 50.

That's where I run it for my daughter and my buddy's daughter to squash the wave down and make it more "skimmy."

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I like the Barbie boat.

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I wouldn't be comfortable running with the rub-rail toward the water line. Right now I have 1100 rear bags, the 750+500 center and IBS, and 600 lbs of lead rear and mid-ship. I enjoy wakeboarding more than surf, so I'm not a pro at dialing my wave yet. But, at those weights, I still need to run the wakeplate at 0 to 10% in order to not loose push.

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Originally Posted by BigOrange

I wouldn't be comfortable running with the rub-rail toward the water line. Right now I have 1100 rear bags, the 750+500 center and IBS, and 600 lbs of lead rear and mid-ship. I enjoy wakeboarding more than surf, so I'm not a pro at dialing my wave yet. But, at those weights, I still need to run the wakeplate at 0 to 10% in order to not loose push.

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With how deep these boats are now, I don't think you'd be able to add enough weight to get the rub rail to water level when stationary. Probably in an LSV, but not in the newer designs.

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I don’t suggest exceeding the total weight capacity of the boat.

Whatever you add in ballast over stock is subtracted from passenger capacity.


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Today I did what the video said to do....and set the same parameters on the screen set up as he recommended. I could hear the tanks fill drain etc, and the wave was a pretty good wave, BUT....I never reached my setting perimeters and a couple of alerts came up. One was something like center is max and more weight in back. (backs were full 1200 each side)
"move more wight to port side"....tanks were full on port.

So in general......nothing ever matched up to my settings.

Am I doing this wrong?

When it says to move weight to a location, have you passengers move to that position.


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So when he says the surf tab fully deployed he's suggesting running the tab at 100?

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Originally Posted by rockymtnsurfer

Today I did what the video said to do....and set the same parameters on the screen set up as he recommended. I could hear the tanks fill drain etc, and the wave was a pretty good wave, BUT....I never reached my setting perimeters and a couple of alerts came up. One was something like center is max and more weight in back. (backs were full 1200 each side)
"move more wight to port side"....tanks were full on port.

So in general......nothing ever matched up to my settings.

Am I doing this wrong?

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I am far from expert, but set autowake to the stock parameters which I know on my moomba max it is 9 degree pitch and 3 degree roll on regular side. Pay attention to what bags empty. If the back bags empty then you need to add weight up front. If the front bag empties then you need to add weight to the back. Same side to side. If the port side empties it means you need to add weight to the starboard side. The objective is to place lead in the areas of your boat that lets autowake minimize emptying any of the ballast bags and acheive the pitch and roll you want. That way your ballast bags stay full and you have the maximum displacement with correct pitch and roll. Hopefully that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Sickpainter

So when he says the surf tab fully deployed he's suggesting running the tab at 100?

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No, I don’t think so. I think he’s saying don’t change the factory nominal settings for the surf tabs. It was a bit misleading


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Originally Posted by Stazi

I agree with most of it except the 50% wakeplate comment. That’s far too much. It lift the stern out of the water at that much deployment.


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I am going to experiment with wake plate at 50%. My initial reaction was the same as yours because I run my center plate at 0 and 20 tops But really thinking about it, at 50% I think it is inline or level with the non engaged surf plate. To ragboy's point, set it at neutral and use leverage of the lead to achieve the correct pitch. I know when I set the center plate at 50% before my pitch was lower then 9 degrees so that is telling me I need more weight in the rear. Which sort of makes sense because I have about 650lbs of lead midship plus the 720 bags. Most of my weight is midship. So I need to put the lead as far back in the rear lockers as possible to increase pitch. I do know the farther I put the center wakeplate down, usually the cleaner it is. So if I can get the 9 degree pitch with center plate at 50% then maybe I will have a smoother longer wake. I don't know but will report back what happens.

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Originally Posted by Sickpainter

So when he says the surf tab fully deployed he's suggesting running the tab at 100?

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Yes....which is also way too much.


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I can't remember what the factory settings are mine goes to 25 wakeplate 40 regular surf side which is what we usually do but I would like to try this method, any recommendations on the surf tab once I get the pitch and roll, ?I don't have autowake)

All your feedback is good. I guess I was misunderstanding the system. I thought it would take everything as the boat was and compensate it to adjust to the settings. However, now that I think about it:) there is only so much it can do with what we have in the boat weight wise.

I think the one that confused me the most was when it said something like this (not exact wording) "bow maxed out add weight in rear"

Center balast was emptied by the auto set up and the rear had 2500lbs. So this just confused me.....I thought the auto would fill center bag max on its own. Then I felt when I went to fill it, it would go turn off the auto system because I was manually filling.

Not sure.....sorry to be a pain, I am just trying to figure this Auto thing out to try and get my best wave with best push.

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Originally Posted by rockymtnsurfer

All your feedback is good. I guess I was misunderstanding the system. I thought it would take everything as the boat was and compensate it to adjust to the settings. However, now that I think about it:) there is only so much it can do with what we have in the boat weight wise.

I think the one that confused me the most was when it said something like this (not exact wording) "bow maxed out add weight in rear"

Center balast was emptied by the auto set up and the rear had 2500lbs. So this just confused me.....I thought the auto would fill center bag max on its own. Then I felt when I went to fill it, it would go turn off the auto system because I was manually filling.

Not sure.....sorry to be a pain, I am just trying to figure this Auto thing out to try and get my best wave with best push.

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You don't say if you have a Moomba or Supra, but just Google "Moomba (or Supra) Autowake tutorial video". They put out a 3 part series on Autowake.

That said, I can't get Autowake to keep my ballasts full and achieve pitch and roll numbers, yet I can achieve them manually with full ballast and Autowake off.

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Originally Posted by Shoebox

You don't say if you have a Moomba or Supra, but just Google "Moomba (or Supra) Autowake tutorial video". They put out a 3 part series on Autowake.

That said, I can't get Autowake to keep my ballasts full and achieve pitch and roll numbers, yet I can achieve them manually with full ballast and Autowake off.

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That is where lead or human weight is helpful.

If your starboard side bag is dumping water add lead or human to port side to leverage and force Autowake to fill starboard.

Add weight to opposite side that is dumping ballast.


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Originally Posted by larry_arizona

That is where lead or human weight is helpful.

If your starboard side bag is dumping water add lead or human to port side to leverage and force Autowake to fill starboard.

Add weight to opposite side that is dumping ballast.


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It shouldn't be dumping ballast at all, since I achieve pitch and roll manually without changing anything.

When I have Autowake on for me, 9.2 pitch and -1.5 roll, 100% amplitude, it dumps 50% from the non-surf side and almost 100% from the center. I have 850 lbs of lead pretty evenly distributed throughout the boat, but biased toward the rear. There is no reason for it to be dumping as much as it does.

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Yeah something is up. The most I lose it 8-9%

Maybe try a Recalibration?


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Originally Posted by Shoebox

It shouldn't be dumping ballast at all, since I achieve pitch and roll manually without changing anything.

When I have Autowake on for me, 9.2 pitch and -1.5 roll, 100% amplitude, it dumps 50% from the non-surf side and almost 100% from the center. I have 850 lbs of lead pretty evenly distributed throughout the boat, but biased toward the rear. There is no reason for it to be dumping as much as it does.

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This is pretty much what I was seeing myself.

Other comment about adding weight or people to areas that need weight makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Shoebox

It shouldn't be dumping ballast at all, since I achieve pitch and roll manually without changing anything.

When I have Autowake on for me, 9.2 pitch and -1.5 roll, 100% amplitude, it dumps 50% from the non-surf side and almost 100% from the center. I have 850 lbs of lead pretty evenly distributed throughout the boat, but biased toward the rear. There is no reason for it to be dumping as much as it does.

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If mine was that off, my dealer would be on my boat telling me what is wrong with my boat.

Autowake should give you a green reading sitting still which should translate to hitting your pitch and roll at speed.


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Originally Posted by larry_arizona

Autowake should give you a green reading sitting still which should translate to hitting your pitch and roll at speed.

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Yeah, that's when it's dumping all the ballast.

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So you fill ballast 100% and then turn on Autowake at idle and it dumps 50% out of non surf side and 100% front?


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Originally Posted by larry_arizona

So you fill ballast 100% and then turn on Autowake at idle and it dumps 50% out of non surf side and 100% front?


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yes...if you were talking to me

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Originally Posted by larry_arizona

So you fill ballast 100% and then turn on Autowake at idle and it dumps 50% out of non surf side and 100% front?


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Yep

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It absolutely should not do that.


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Originally Posted by larry_arizona

It absolutely should not do that.


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Makes me wonder if the amplitude sensor is wonky.

Something is wonky, seriously never dropped more than 9% in any bag location.

I rock autowake all the time and it’s really intuitive once you understand the language.

Do I need it now? Not really as I know where my sweet spot is, but even if my crew moves midsession, it’s nice to have it auto adjust.

But 2 years ago, I knew nothing about a good wave, now I am confident in creating a solid wave thanks to Autowake.




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Anyone actually get on their boat and get their pitch and roll numbers right with the surf plate at 50?

Why do u need plate at 50?

Less plate is better...... keep it in under 25


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Originally Posted by larry_arizona

Why do u need plate at 50?

Less plate is better...... keep it in under 25


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That's what wake9 recommends in their video. I tend to disagree with that.

The plate effectively lengthens the running surface.

50% is a lot of plate. I run 25% and only add it to lengthen the wave or when I need to reduce pitch with full front ballast.

I prefer to leverage 100# lead and on the bow seat to lower pitch.


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Originally Posted by larry_arizona

Why do u need plate at 50?

Less plate is better...... keep it in under 25


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Absolutely!!


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I was just curious since I never tried to maintain pitch and roll with the plate any higher then 20%. Rag boy has a ton of experience, even more with skiers choice boats. So I was wondering what the out come was.

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I was just curious since I never tried to maintain pitch and roll with the plate any higher then 20%. Rag boy has a ton of experience, even more with skiers choice boats. So I was wondering what the out come was.

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I'm going to play around with it quite a bit, probably on Friday, and also see if I can figure out why Autowake wants to dump most of my ballast. I'll see if I can achieve pitch numbers with 50% wakeplate without having to shift a bunch of weight aft.