Best surf setting for my 2019 Moomba Max

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07-24-2019, 02:36 AM
Abc123

Best surf setting for my 2019 Moomba Max

I am new to wake surfing, I am having a hard time creating a wave that will have enough push for me. I am 6’2” and weigh about 300#lbs I can get up not problem, ride with the rope, cut back and forth just can’t ride with out the rope I fall right out of the wave. I have stock ballast, 1000#s rear each side and 1000#s midship. 3000#s total. Seems like a lot I am regular rider wife is goofy. Setting for both sides are appreciated.

What should pitch be set to?
What should roll be set to?
Surf tabs?
Wake Plate?

Now I know I have auto wake but it is not creating the wave I am looking for. I see people saying keep the wake plat any where from 0-25. Auto wake will set it to 55-70 most the time. I also see some riders that are bigger maybe set there surf tabs to 35%? I am
Not sure just looking for advice thank you in advance.
07-24-2019, 06:29 AM
haknslash

Stock ballast isn't going to make a huge wave with a lot of push unless you have a lot of people on the boat to help. Otherwise you will need to upgrade ballast. What board are you riding? That makes a big difference as well. Most people suggest not using AutoWake for surfing until you get some seat time and learn t understand the system. It is not a "automatic wave creator" like the name sort of suggests but more of s tool to help you understand what pitch and roll settings you like for your wave shape based on the crew or load in the boat. I would use manual mode with no AutoWake at first. What speeds are you trying to surf at? If on stock ballast you may want to back the speed down which will make the wave shorter but steeper which much help you for your size and/or board. Be sure your speedometer is calibrated or offset if you have paddle wheel. There are settings in there to help dial in your speedometer.
07-24-2019, 09:06 AM
Rush

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abc123

I am new to wake surfing, I am having a hard time creating a wave that will have enough push for me. I am 6’2” and weigh about 300#lbs I can get up not problem, ride with the rope, cut back and forth just can’t ride with out the rope I fall right out of the wave. I have stock ballast, 1000#s rear each side and 1000#s midship. 3000#s total. Seems like a lot I am regular rider wife is goofy. Setting for both sides are appreciated.

What should pitch be set to?
What should roll be set to?
Surf tabs?
Wake Plate?

Now I know I have auto wake but it is not creating the wave I am looking for. I see people saying keep the wake plat any where from 0-25. Auto wake will set it to 55-70 most the time. I also see some riders that are bigger maybe set there surf tabs to 35%? I am
Not sure just looking for advice thank you in advance.

Max is a big boat that needs extra weight to really get a good wave, especially for us extra bulky types. I’m 280 (was 380 last summer) I added 3000+ lbs additional ballast. You don’t have to add that much, but I’d add 1000 lbs. 700 under seats and 300 in the nose if possible.
07-28-2019, 01:28 AM
Abc123

Thank you

Quote:

Originally Posted by haknslash

Stock ballast isn't going to make a huge wave with a lot of push unless you have a lot of people on the boat to help. Otherwise you will need to upgrade ballast. What board are you riding? That makes a big difference as well. Most people suggest not using AutoWake for surfing until you get some seat time and learn t understand the system. It is not a "automatic wave creator" like the name sort of suggests but more of s tool to help you understand what pitch and roll settings you like for your wave shape based on the crew or load in the boat. I would use manual mode with no AutoWake at first. What speeds are you trying to surf at? If on stock ballast you may want to back the speed down which will make the wave shorter but steeper which much help you for your size and/or board. Be sure your speedometer is calibrated or offset if you have paddle wheel. There are settings in there to help dial in your speedometer.

Thank you! I am riding a connelly big easy wakesurf board, it is stock ballast. I have gone down to 10mph surf plate at 35-70 and wake plate 0-70 and so much fine tuning. I think the best setting so far was surf tab 35 and wake plate zero. I normally use manual controls. How do you calibrate your speedometer? That might need to be done. Thanks again.
07-28-2019, 01:30 AM
Abc123

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rush

Max is a big boat that needs extra weight to really get a good wave, especially for us extra bulky types. I’m 280 (was 380 last summer) I added 3000+ lbs additional ballast. You don’t have to add that much, but I’d add 1000 lbs. 700 under seats and 300 in the nose if possible.

With you addition of 3000lbs of ballast how did you distribute the weight? If I wanted to add 2k more how would you recommend the placement? Thank you again for replying to my post.
07-28-2019, 11:10 AM
Rush

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abc123

With you addition of 3000lbs of ballast how did you distribute the weight? If I wanted to add 2k more how would you recommend the placement? Thank you again for replying to my post.

two thirds mid ship, one third nose. I’d recommend starting with the same split for 2000 lbs
07-28-2019, 07:04 PM
larry_arizona

Is 3000# over stock ballast recommended?

Sounds like it’s exceeding the rating of the boat.

Source of additional 3000#?

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07-29-2019, 04:23 PM
flienlow

Quote:

Originally Posted by larry_arizona

Is 3000# over stock ballast recommended?

Sounds like it’s exceeding the rating of the boat.

SHHHH!!!

I have Stock Ballast and 1100s under each seat probably filled to 850-900lbs, I have just ordered wakeMakers Custom 1200 bags for the rear to replace stock 1000.
Yesterday I had full ballast and 17 people on the boat. A few of them were at least 300lbs. The wave was not as spectacular (shaped) as you would think. And trust me...We were ridin' dirty but it was Savage nonetheless. On the other hand, with a crew of of 4 the other day, and we moved the center seat forward, then added a 900lb sumo bag sideways. And it was Probably the best wave I have had out of the boat.
07-29-2019, 09:21 PM
Rush

Quote:

Originally Posted by larry_arizona

Is 3000# over stock ballast recommended?

Sounds like it’s exceeding the rating of the boat.

Source of additional 3000#?

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No clue if it’s recommended. What I do know is engineers cover their butts with super conservative numbers. Source of weight is 600 lbs lead, rest is water
07-30-2019, 11:32 AM
flienlow

What should pitch be set to? Around 9
What should roll be set to? -3.5
Surf tabs? 60ish
Wake Plate? 0

Try:
Default AW Settings with the wakeplate at 0.
Go about 9.7mph to start-
Try with AW=off and everyone sit rear surf side. All Ballast 100%
07-30-2019, 09:36 PM
haknslash

It's crazy my AW default roll is set to -0.5. I see everyone else always mention several degrees of roll. When I tried to change my roll to -4 my tabs freaked out, AW deployed both tabs and then I couldn't retract them. Had to cycle the battery off/on to clear out the glitch.
07-31-2019, 01:12 AM
Boonejeepin

Best surf setting for my 2019 Moomba Max

[QUOTE=haknslash;344838]It's crazy my AW default roll is set to -0.5. I see everyone else always mention several degrees of roll. When I tried to change my roll to -4 my tabs freaked out, AW deployed both tabs and then I couldn't retract them. Had to cycle the battery off/on to clear out the glitch.[/

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07-31-2019, 12:20 PM
flienlow

Hummm.... Mine is set to -3.5 regular. -0.5 must be the default?
07-31-2019, 01:38 PM
Boonejeepin

Quote:

Originally Posted by flienlow

Hummm.... Mine is set to -3.5 regular. -0.5 must be the default?

I was incorrect above and deleted the comment. -0.5 is for wakeboard speeds.

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08-01-2019, 10:03 AM
haknslash

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boonejeepin

I was incorrect above and deleted the comment. -0.5 is for wakeboard speeds.

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Ah so the default AW settings are all set to wakeboarding? Maybe that is why nobody likes AW for surfing?! I didn’t pay too much attention when in the AW settings. Is there is section in the menu for AW surf settings and one separate for AW wakeboarding speeds?

What are optimal AW surf roll and pitch for a stock ballasted boat?
08-01-2019, 10:20 AM
csm

Quote:

Originally Posted by haknslash

Ah so the default AW settings are all set to wakeboarding? Maybe that is why nobody likes AW for surfing?! I didn’t pay too much attention when in the AW settings. Is there is section in the menu for AW surf settings and one separate for AW wakeboarding speeds?

What are optimal AW surf roll and pitch for a stock ballasted boat?

There are 3 different AW default settings. One for wakeboard, one for port surf and one for starboard surf. I believe factory is -.5 for wakeboard, -3.5 for port surf and 5.0 for starboard surf.

If yours came with -.5 for surfing then your dealer or the factory made a mistake.

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08-01-2019, 01:43 PM
haknslash

I think I just realized what may have happened. I’ll be honest and admit I have not used or really dove into AW on my Max except for basically turning it on. Last weekend was the first time I’ve ever gone into the AW settings and when I was adjusting the roll I had the surf plates set to center which is I believe the AW Wakeboard display and settings. I assume to set the starboard and port surf AW settings I need to ha e that surf plate engaged on the switch? If so I see where I’ve made the mistake and would make sense why it showed -.5 on the roll setting.
08-01-2019, 02:28 PM
csm

When you’re in the settings, you toggle between wake, port, and starboard using the menu buttons. Doesn’t matter what your plates are set to.

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08-08-2019, 04:14 PM
MikebCO

I had the same issue with our 19 Max, not enough push for me 5'10" 260lbs riding a 5'6" Ronix Thruster, port side surf with stock ballast. I added WakeMaker 490s mid-ship piggybacked into the stock rears, 200lbs lead on the surf side mid-ship, usually 3 people in the boat, still not enough push. Purchased and Inland Surfer Red Rocket and now can ride without the rope, great board, rides a lost smaller than it is! AutoWake is working great for me with the factory settings, 9 pitch, -3.5 roll. I did 490s under the seat so there is still room for soft coolers in the compartments, if your not concerned with room i would go with the 720 bags or as big as you can get in the mid-ship compartments. I'm going to add more led weight to the nose and mid-ship to get even more push. Also went to a 15x11 prop for the altitude here in Colorado of 4500 feet.
08-09-2019, 04:38 PM
flienlow

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikebCO

I had the same issue with our 19 Max, not enough push for me 5'10" 260lbs riding a 5'6" Ronix Thruster, port side surf with stock ballast. I added WakeMaker 490s mid-ship piggybacked into the stock rears, 200lbs lead on the surf side mid-ship, usually 3 people in the boat, still not enough push. Purchased and Inland Surfer Red Rocket and now can ride without the rope, great board, rides a lost smaller than it is! AutoWake is working great for me with the factory settings, 9 pitch, -3.5 roll. I did 490s under the seat so there is still room for soft coolers in the compartments, if your not concerned with room i would go with the 720 bags or as big as you can get in the mid-ship compartments. I'm going to add more led weight to the nose and mid-ship to get even more push. Also went to a 15x11 prop for the altitude here in Colorado of 4500 feet.

I am convinced the heavier you go with the Max, less roll you need. If you are asking AW to roll that boat at -3.5 I think it is just going to dump all your ballast. At least that is what I am finding. Are you able to keep ballast in?

The Max for me does not like bow weight.. at all. It likes it to plane it seems but not for the huge wave.
08-09-2019, 05:12 PM
FamilyMan

I only list a bit if I want a super clean goofy wave. Most of us are regular and I need no roll for a clean regular wave.

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08-13-2019, 05:06 AM
Idaho

Fill everything 100%
Try to put some people up front for more water displacement between Front and Back. I’m 260 and surf goofy with my pitch plate at 60 with about 2,000 lbs of people and stuff in boat. 10.5 mph
08-13-2019, 08:29 AM
z28ke

This is with all stock 100% full plus:

720lb midship bags
200lbs lead in bow
200 lbs lead under rear bench seat with bias towards port
3 passengers in the rear

Surf tab: 65
Wakeplate: 20
Speed: 11.2

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08-14-2019, 07:49 PM
pat6969

Quote:

Originally Posted by z28ke

This is with all stock 100% full plus:

720lb midship bags
200lbs lead in bow
200 lbs lead under rear bench seat with bias towards port
3 passengers in the rear

Surf tab: 65
Wakeplate: 20
Speed: 11.2

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Wow!! Do the stock bags have dual ports on the front for you to piggyback to your midship bags?
08-14-2019, 08:24 PM
csm

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Originally Posted by pat6969

Wow!! Do the stock bags have dual ports on the front for you to piggyback to your midship bags?

The 2019s do.

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08-14-2019, 08:33 PM
FamilyMan

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Originally Posted by csm

The 2019s do.

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The later 2018s do as well (May delivery date for me and has them).
08-15-2019, 08:22 AM
pat6969

Quote:

Originally Posted by csm

The 2019s do.

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How big are the stock '19 bags? 1000?
08-15-2019, 11:02 PM
haknslash

Quote:

Originally Posted by z28ke

This is with all stock 100% full plus:

720lb midship bags
200lbs lead in bow
200 lbs lead under rear bench seat with bias towards port
3 passengers in the rear

Surf tab: 65
Wakeplate: 20
Speed: 11.2

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Awesome wave!!
08-17-2019, 04:07 PM
DNIXD99

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This is where I'm at with similar setup as the Murder Max above. Stock ballast full. 750s under the seats. 260 under rear bench and in the bow.

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