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Forgive me, I am not an audiophile.
My boat came with the most basic system from the factory and I would like to upgrade during the winter.
Here is what (I think) I want:
(I plan to keep the Stock Moomba Fusion Stereo head-)
1. Replace existing 4- in Hull Speakers.
2. Add 4 new Tower Speakers.
3. Add 2- 10" subs
4. Amps and batteries to power it all.
Suggestions on what to get for all?
Thanks!
Budget? Towers usually dont come cheap. Goal of nearfield or wakeboard distance?
Any reason to favor 2 10" subs opposed to a single 12" or bigger?
1 and 2 are easy enough with budget parameters. I'd assume the answer to #2 will provide the answer to #1 or else I'd stay factory, imo.
3 gets a little more technical and usually requires a box build. Are you doing this or paying a shop to do?
4 is driven by the answers to 1 through 3.
My suggestion? Easy ... Wetsounds.
1) plenty of quality build and good sounding marine built speakers out there with varying sound signature, grill designs and price points. Wet Sounds Revo and SX/SW-65i series, JL MX650, Kicker KM654LCW and Rockford MP262.
2) Is the reason for 4, looks? Id stick with an 8" or 10", regardless. Too many good options there, to go with a smaller 6.5". Plenty of options like the Wet Sounds Rev-10 or 8, Icon-8, JL 8.8, Kicker KM8, depending in goals. With the right setup, only a single pair might get the job done and come in less expensive then 4 pair of smaller speakers.
3) Not at opposed to two 10's if they can be done effectively. I would also consider a single 12" in a ported enclosure as an option.
4) once the final speaker options are decided, amp choices fall in line. Battery setup will be steered by use. As a minimum, id suggest a dual bank setup with at least one group 29/31 size deep cycle.
Exile Audio has some hot deals going right now. You can always call them and talk to Brian about setup and ideas if you need advice. Great folks to work with.
http://exileaudio.com/store/hot-deals.html
I am loosely trying to mimic my neighbors setup. he has 4- rockford fosgate tower speakers, 2-JL 10" Subs, and I am not sure about his other speakers or amps, but will find out. His system is pretty intense. And I think the oldies on the lake are not a fan of it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MLA
The last boat I had, I dumped a bunch of money into the system, and was never happy with it. It had a 12" sub, and 4 tower speakers. For some reason ( probably me) it never performed well. I thought I would post this to see other recipes. I imagine a budget of about 5k or so?
We can spend hours dissecting your old system to figure out why it did not perform well. To not end up in the same boat, I suggest working with a credible retailer installer to design the system based on your goals. Some one that has experience with a variety of marine products. Even the most premium products can under perform if the application and execution are flawed. They can also assist through the installation and tuning after the sale, if you are going DIY.Quote:
Originally Posted by flienlow
Clearly define your goals. Build the system that meets these goals, rather then design a system that fits a dollar amount. Then see where the price comes in at. You are better off increasing the budget and doing the build in two stages, then scaling back the design to come in at budget. Slimming down can easily put you back where you were with the previous boat. Good money spent, but not happy.
So you have good advice from KG and MLA, two guys that really know their way around marine audio. I'll only add this. No concrete reason to go either with one 12-inch sub or two 10-inch subs. Both options can get the job done. However, your previous experience and dissatisfaction with a 12-inch sub should not deter you from using a 12-inch sub again. There are countless potential reasons why your 12-inch sub under-performed, but I can assure you that none of them are related to the subwoofer size. I'm going to recommend a 12-inch sub if the required cabinet size fits your boat. And the cabinet size and fit is where you should begin. That will determine a) the enclosure loaded method, and b) the subwoofer size. Just a few measurements and a good audio dealer will make quick work of providing the better option.
Kaneboats had some good advice as well with the Exile deals going on right now. The Xm9 is great and that javelin amp is awesome for a 5 channel. As always, you can't go wrong with Westsounds, but all Exile with a 2 year warranty isn't bad either. Make sure to get a proper install and tune or you won't be happy with anything. Best of luck, post up when you get it figured out.
From an exile amp manual:
From a Wet Sounds amp manual:Quote:
LIMITED WARRANTY
Exile warrants this product to be free from defects in material and workmanship under normal use for a period of one year from date of original purchase when
purchased from an Authorized Exile Dealer. If the product is labeled B Stock/Refurbished and purchased from an Authorized Exile Dealer, it is warranted for 90
days from date of purchase, regardless of place of installation. Should service be necessary under this warranty for any reason due to manufacturing defect
or malfunction during the warranty period, Exile will replace or repair (at its discretion) the defective merchandise with equivalent merchandise at no charge.
Warranty replacements on B-Stock merchandise may have cosmetic scratches and blemishes. Discontinued products may be replaced with more current
equivalent products. This warranty is valid only for the original purchaser and is not extended to owners of the product subsequent to the original purchaser. Any
applicable implied warranties are limited in duration to a period of the express warranty as provided herein beginning with the date of the original purchase at
retail, and no warranties, whether express or implied, shall apply to this product thereafter. Some states do not allow limitations on implied warranties, therefore
these exclusions may not apply to you. This warranty gives you specific legal rights; however you may have other rights that vary from state to state. This
warranty is only valid within the USA, for warranties outside of the USA consult the appropriate international distributor
Kicker marine amp:Quote:
LIMITED WARRANTY 17
Length and limits of Warranty
Wet Sounds warrants this product to be free of defects in material or workmanship
for (2) years from the date of purchase. Wet Sounds warranty applies exclusively
to the original purchaser, not transferable and the amplifier must be purchased
from an Authorized Wet Sounds Retailer within the United States. All products
purchased outside of the United States are covered by the Authorized Distributor
or OEM supplier. Any and all warranties not to exclude merchantability or fitness
are limited in the duration to 2 years. This warranty
JL M series marine amps:Quote:
ELECTRONICS LIMITED WARRANTY
When purchased from an Authorized KICKER Dealer, KICKER warrants this product to be free from defects in material
and workmanship under normal use for a period of TWO (2) YEARS from date of original purchase with receipt
U.S.A. Warranty Information - Marine Amplifiers and Electronics
Quote:
JL Audio Marine Amplifiers and Electronics are warrantied against defects in materials and workmanship for Two (2) Years from purchase date. JL Audio will, at its discretion, repair or replace any products that exhibit defects in materials and/or workmanship during the warranty period.
When you first asked ... I pulled up the WS website to see what approach I might start with .....
1. Leave in boat speakers as is
2. Do a pair of Rev10s off a dx4
3. 12" Wetsounds (for matching purposes) or JL w6
4. dx6 to power the in boats and sub.
With a 5k budget, that leaves room for box building and tuning from a reputable local shop. (assuming you are doing the rest yourself)
There are many other considerations (future plans, upgrades, downgrades, etc) that may affect amp choices but that is a place to start conversation. It is also a very solid stereo system.
A factory dual battery setup would likely be adequate.
Or you could just as easily go all Kicker if you keep in boats and wanted all matching. I was just using WS as example .... well and because there isn't a better tower speaker solution.
From the Exile site...plainly states that it's a 2 year warranty when pairing amps with speakers....
http://exileaudio.com/store/index.php/customer-service
For those that cannot read the image:
This means you have to buy a "promo-package" of speakers and amp, in order to get the 2 years.Quote:
Electronics - 1 Year
This warranty may be extended to 2 years when installed with Exile speaker products.
Speakers - 1 Year
This warranty may be extended to 2 years when installed with Exile amplifier products.
Wet Sounds offers a single component 2 yr warranty so no restrictions on what brand speaker and amp combos you want to pair up. 2 years also on the Wet Sounds EQ's.
Kicker's 2 year amp warranty also makes no stipulations of speaker brands paired with amp. 2 years, no matter what brand.
You will have NO problem with the Exile warranty even beyond the stated 2 year mark. They are all about customer service. Both companies are great from a customer service standpoint. Don't let that be the reason you go one way or the other.
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5 k in just equipment or with install?
If it was my boat and you want middle of the road product.
First I would add bow speakers and swap interiors with the WS Revo or JL M series. Add a JL W3 or Revo12 in a ported enclosure for increased output.
Run a pair of the best tower speakers on the market, the Rev10's. You can do 4 if you want.
For amplifiers I would run a SYNDX4 to tower and a SynDX6 to woofer and inboats.
If you have the group24 dual battery set up, it can work but your play at rest time is garbage or very short with only one group 24. You can upgrade to group 27 or 31 to start with unless you want to rock out at the sand bar/party cove for hours on end.
I agree here, exile has taken good care of me beyond 2 yrs
No one has made any reference to any warranty issue. However, in two threads, the exile warranty was touted as being a selling point over another brand's. In reality, I think any reasonable person can see for themselves, which brand has the better warranty. Wet Sounds offers two years on their products. Each individual product, regardless of what amp brand the speakers are powered with, or what speakers an amp drives. No one is required to purchase a package, to get the same 2 year warranty.
Have an amp and want to upgrade the tower speakers = covered 2 years
Want to upgrade the in-boat wattage and get an amp = covered 2 years
Want to install an XXXv2 but go with a Kicker KX2400.1 = woofer gets a 2 year warranty.
From an outside perspective (I am not an Exile or Wetsounds fanboy) it seems like Exile has more problems relative to the market share. There used to be a thread every week that touted their excellent customer service...which is great. But the frequency of those posts always made me wonder why so many people have problems with them. It may be a non-issue but that's just the vibe I get as a non-expert and casual reader of the audio forum. Exile folks are certainly very brand loyal so that also speaks well of the product to look at it from another angle.
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You do not have to buy a high dollar promo package to get a 2 year warranty with Exile, but you do have to buy an amp and speakers. For what it's worth, I bought used xm9's, one of them had a blown horn. I called the guys at Exile, they helped me trouble shoot it and and even got a new horn out to me that I installed myself. I also don't sell stereo components for a living. But seems everytime this is brought up, the Exile bashing starts, even though I've given real world advice without a bunch of technical jargon and even continually say that you can't go wrong with any of the major players in the wake boat stereo game.
Where was "high dollar" used? Promo Package is Exile's verbiage, not mine. Im simply posting what you are referring to.Quote:
You do not have to buy a high dollar promo package to get a 2 year warranty with Exile, but you do have to buy an amp and speakers.
In the context of a company's written warranty period, this means nothing. Glad you got taken care of, but in the context of YOUR promotion of exile's warranty, it means nothing. Im sure there are countless examples of many companies going above and beyond their expressed terms, in the name of customer service. This was not your original point, so dont make it your point now, now that its been shown that exile does not have the better warranty as you intended.Quote:
For what it's worth, I bought used xm9's, one of them had a blown horn. I called the guys at Exile, they helped me trouble shoot it and and even got a new horn out to me
Ive made nothing but factual comparisons. If you feel its "bashing" exile, thats your issue, not mine. Remember, you brought up the 2 year warranty. Ive simply pointed out one manufacturer offers 2 years on each component and the other requires purchasing additional components called "promo packages".Quote:
But seems everytime this is brought up, the Exile bashing starts,
Feel free to challenge my facts, or do you want to continue down the "bashing" road and comment about what ones does for a living?
From over here on this side .... it seems fact checking is too often misconstrued as bashing.
Both are good products but they are not the same.
.... and OP is missing
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Originally Posted by smorris7
Shane how does your boat not explode with the combo of the two:o
Mla, you never did tell us which model of Supra/Moomba you own. And yes, you guide people towards only the brands you sell, I'm sure if you sold Exile, you would promote them. The promo package with Exile is high dollar, so I don't see your issue with that expression. You called me out on saying there isn't a 2 year warranty, when in fact there is. And yes, their customer service is second to none. Good day, I have a lift to move and a Mojo to go ride behind. KG, if you read my early comments, there was nothing to fact check, Mla has his facts wrong about the Exile warranty, so I replied with fact.
I like the Polk system that came with my SA. It sounds great and was already professionally installed by someone other than me!
Since it looks like you still want to go down this path of personal biz, ill humor you. Explain why this is relevant, and ill tell you what boat I currently own.Quote:
Mla, you never did tell us which model of Supra/Moomba you own
From your perspective, sure. I wont argue with this. However, in the last two active audio threads, ive suggested both JL and Rockford, neither of which I am a direct dealer for. I suggest products that I believe in. Take that how ever you want.Quote:
And yes, you guide people towards only the brands you sell
Sure, until 80% of the tower speakers failed in only two seasons, leaving you no choice but to upgrading customers to Wet Sounds at your expense. At that point, it would be smart business to move away from the line.Quote:
I'm sure if you sold Exile, you would promote them.
Their promo package is nothing more then individual products paired together. They actually offer a small discount compared to a la carte. Still not seeing the "high dollar" part of it.Quote:
The promo package with Exile is high dollar,
Ive copied and pasted the actual exile print. One year on individual, two yr if you buy a package. None of my facts are incorrect. I went direct to a product owners manual, because thats what a consumer gets when they purchase a product. A statement on a website can be edited at any time, without notice to a consumer. At that point, your two year package warranty just disappeared.Quote:
You called me out on saying there isn't a 2 year warranty Mla has his facts wrong about the Exile warranty,
Why is it relevant? If you can honestly say that you aren't on a Moomba owners forum to promote yourself and your brands, I'll leave it alone, but I doubt you can. Saying Exile tower speakers break in 2 years is very unprofessional and anecdotal at best. That's called fear mongering. You don't have to buy a promo package to get the 2 year warranty, just a combination of speaker and amp, could be cabin speakers even. To me, $3500 speaker and amp packages are high dollar, guess you see it otherwise. I have stated numerous times on these same threads that you can't go wrong with RF, Polk, WS, Kicker; but you always leave Exile out and fight against whomever brings them up just about every time as being an inferior brand.
They work very well together! Like peas and carrots.[emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by jmvotto
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@knoxmojo, Ironically, Brian and I have owned the same Moombas and Supras. :-P
For those interested, I run 6 XM9's on my tower, Wetsounds interiors all powered off of Exile amps. I also use the Wetsounds eq.Quote:
Originally Posted by smorris7
Again, both companies are great! Customer service is fantastic at either.
By the way I have been running my XM9's for 4 seasons HARD! 150 to 200 hrs per season. Still running strong! And, guess what, if one goes down, I have no doubt Brian would take care of it...
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You say have owned, as in past tense...it's all good, you be you, I'll be me....
Smorris, I was about to do the same thing with the WS cabins until Brian offered me 3 sets for $345, couldn't say no...I bet your system pounds! I love getting on my friends all WS boat, it's so loud and clear, BTW, he says the same thing about mine. Keep jamming!
I think this is the crux of a lot of the conversation/confrontation. It is also similar to the convo Trayson and Drew were having about discount off MSRP .... and value vs perceived value ....Quote:
Originally Posted by KnoxMojo
When shopping online, the Exile in boats and WS are very similar MSRP, likely leading you to believe they are similar speakers. Once offered a 35%+ discount, your perception is that you are 35%+ better off than had you gone with WS. At a glance, similar product, cheaper price. IMO, that perceived value creates the strong brand loyalty that seems to turn defensive on the forum. I'm not saying that is good, bad, or otherwise ....
As I mentioned earlier, they are not the same product. Premium product commands a premium price. There is certainly room for both in the market since end consumers have different wants/needs.
KG nailed it Supra vs Moomba Malibu Vs Axis etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by KG's Supra24
I cant imagine 6 9's on the tower , I have 4 on mine since the beginning 2012 and they have been great . ( I think I was the first one here with the 4 pod setup with the 9s)Quote:
Originally Posted by smorris7
Six 8" would be very similar to four 10" or a pair of Rev-410, both of the later being very common setups. With that said, six compression drivers would have a peak volume advantage over four, but the compromise is mid-bass and balance. Cost is another consideration. Two pair of speakers can be powered by most any 2 chnl amp where as three pair require two 2 chnl or one stout six chnl. The two pair of 10" and single 2 chnl amp will come in much cheaper then 3 pair of 8" and amps.Quote:
I cant imagine 6 9's on the tower
6 10's would be even better! 6 is the new 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by MLA
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Originally Posted by jmvotto
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Nah, im waiting on the rev-418 dropping this spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by smorris7
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lol I wouldn't be able to walk under those!Quote:
Originally Posted by MLA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOO5S4vxi0o
Phil
Kicker