Give a big shout out to muehlcj Chris Muehl Of Parker Surfcraft for having the highest rated boards Moomba owner and forum member
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Give a big shout out to muehlcj Chris Muehl Of Parker Surfcraft for having the highest rated boards Moomba owner and forum member
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Congrats, Chris! Have to try one of those babies out one day.
Hoping to get our new PS out this weekend!
Nice work Chris!
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Thanks! A lot of love and passion goes into each one.
Southern surfest is a killer event! If you love to surf and you've never been it's a must. Even if it does seem to be a little too Malibu friendly.....jk
Purchased one of chris' boards at SSF, hands down my favorite. The rest of the boards weren't even close. Would encourage everyone to look at a PS board the next time they are in the market.
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What boards beyond the 'top 10' were ranked and ridden? i.e. were there some major players like Soulcraft and Doomswell that didn't participate? Or did they participate and not make the top 10? And how were they ranked? Where the riders looking for surf or skim boards?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmvotto
Is there somewhere that we can get a little deeper on the results?
Chris, paging chris....haha
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Maybe I just need to wait until the website is updated with all the results... I see that 2014-2015 has the detailed info I was curious about.Quote:
Originally Posted by dusty2221
Hopefully the website will give those details beyond just a 1 to 10. Because looking at some of the categories of prior years, there are some categories that wouldn't get equal weight if I was shopping for a board to ride. "ease of starts" and "appearance" are less important to me than "speed", "ease of turns" etc. Even durability is relative to the ultimate performance... So it'd be great to see how each was rated in the specific categories.
Results will be put up soon from the committee Which I am not on
Doomswell had three boards three sizes and chaos had a few.
Sc did not send any boards
Everyone – So awesome to hear the positive comments. Thank you so much! Really means a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
Trayson – Let me start by saying I participated in the event and there wasn’t a bad board. Every stick was top notch. It showcased 60 + or – boards from 10 companies. You won’t find a better way to experience so many killer boats and boards in one place. The following is a list of manufactures: Doomswell, Parker Surfcraft, Brigade, Chaos, Idol, Phase Five, Shortbus, Idol, Victoria, Exile, Kkrows
Looks like about 7 Doomswell boards. Neo 4.6, 4.8, 4.10, Nubstep 4.6, 4,10, 5 & El Jefe
I rode everyone. Great boards. I was also lucky enough to spend some time talking shop with Brock on Saturday. Cool dude.
The top ten video represents the top 10 boards mathematically based on the average scores across all categories. As far as focus group goes I’m not sure on the stats of all 40 + or - participants. I believe their goal is to release all the information so that everyone can focus on what is important to them and develop their own conclusions. Take it for what it’s worth. A lot of variables and judging of surfboard performance is very subjective.
Some of the top companies were not represented. Would have been awesome to have Soulcraft, Blusurf or one of one there as well.
IMO Jeff (Soulcraft) makes some of the best boards in the business. I would say Nick (Chaos) is close in some categories but way ahead in material innovation. I can’t speak much about Blusurf but I’ve heard some really great things.
The cumulative board building knowledge represented at the event is off the charts. I have a lot to learn but I love it.
If you ever want to talk shapes, rails, volume, foil or just boards let me know I love talking surf.
Parker surfcraft!
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That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the insight. I haven't ridden that many top end EPS boards, and honestly I'd have a hard time quantifying the differences in a meaningful fashion (and that's from a CPA/MBA!)Quote:
Originally Posted by muehlcj
I was able to ride a Soulcraft Da Honu and my Doomswell Nubstep side by side one day and honestly they're damn close. So on some of the high end boards, it's splitting hairs. Brock took care of us when my wife bought me my Nubstep, so that's always helped.
We have a "demo days" over here, but it's really only the stuff that the dealer sells: Liquid Force, Hyperlite, Ronix, Slingshot... I'd much rather ride the boards you guys had at the surf fest.
Anyway, sounds like the event was off the hook!
You'll just have to make it next year!Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
Have you ever considered trying to make it to rag boys polar bear? Little closer to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
Who sells boards in your area? Basically pro shops at marinas?
What fins do you run in your DW?
Well, Active Water Sports is one of the main dealers. They sell the usual brands like Hyperlite, Liquid Force, Ronix, Slingshot. And since most of those are out of the PNW, they get a good showing. AWS does a "demo Days" every year and all the factory reps come out and bring free gear to try and you get to ride on all the new Nautique, Supra, Moomba, and Malibu boats.Quote:
Originally Posted by muehlcj
I have a buddy that's demo'd boards from another boat dealer and I think they have Soulcraft and Victoria.
Once I got a boat and learned how to surf, I demo'd every board I could get my hands on from friends and at Demo days. That's how I came across Doomswell. Mike Mandley's friend Steven had a 4'4 drone and I got to ride it and just came alive on it. Everyone told me that needed to be my next board. After that, I talked to Brock for a long time and eventually decided on a Nubstep and my wife bought me one for my anniversary a couple years ago. I've loved it ever since. I kinda lost interest in trying different boards because I'd always come back to my Nubstep. I'm sure there are better boards that might be out there, but nothing so much more amazing that I'd want to throw hundreds of dollars at it when I've already got a board I love at home.
I just have the standard FCS fins. just the 2 big ones so I can kick out the tail easier. I've never tried different fins and honestly have no idea what impact that would make.
I wouldn't be opposed to riding one of your boards. I'm sure it'd be a blast. But if I'm not in the market, it'd only be for fun. Same with the Polar Bear. I've thought of doing it and it sounds like a great event. But that's a lot of time/effort/money to go down and play for a weekend. Rewarding of course, but still I have to pick and choose my vacations.
Kinda like the idea that I get to go surf the big name boats at the AWS demo days. And what it tells me is I guess what I'm "missing". Or it tells me how close my wave is to the new boats. so it's interesting, but my XLV isn't going anywhere either!
Super cool that AWS does that.
Soulcraft and Vic are sweet sticks.
Totally understand your feelings toward your DW. When you get on the right board it just clicks. Keep in mind these boards don't last forever and the performance of that board is going to change over time. I would talk to Brock about another board.
Fins make a HUGE difference. If you are still riding the white plastic fins I want you to throw them out right now. Take a look at the Futures - John John (grom size) fins. If you love the board so much now with the fins you are using these will make your head explode. https://futuresfins.com/fins/grom-john-honeycomb.html
Generally speaking look for a fin with a base 4.25ish, depth (height) of 4.5 or less, area of 14 in^2 or less, and a sweet of 34 or less deg. Look for a fin with a flat inside foil or a blended foil. You can put a fin with a lot of flex in a wakesurf board because it's not like you are ripping massive turns in critical parts of a huge wave you can use the flex for more speed or add some liveliness to your turns.
Fins for a kid's board? And a tri fin setup for a board that only uses 2 of the 3?Quote:
Originally Posted by muehlcj
Full disclosure - I know nothing about fins...so my baseline is essentially a zero. I ride a DW Neo right now with the stock futures.
That Grom John fin set is rated as "balanced" with a 6.5. Would wakesurfing not learn toward the higher numbers? I would think we would be looking for speed generating and trying to get closer to a 10 rating. Is that not the case? Again, I'm just spitballing and learning here. I never put that much thought into the fins TBH.
The wakesurf Industry uses the ocean surf standards for fins
Grom size for ocean surf is wakesurf size , they sell futures in three cuz of the ocean board thruster setup
Correct me if I'm wrong
Size - Think of it as a matter of scale. Wake vs ocean. The waves are significantly smaller, the boards are significantly smaller and the fins are significantly smaller. That DW board you ride behind your boat would be a grom sized (kids) board in the ocean.Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
Fin companies sell fins as thruster sets (3 fins) or quads (4 fins) typically. Not to say you can't buy just one or just the quad rears etc. 99% of performance surfing in the ocean is done with thruster or quad set ups. The majority leaning toward thruster.
That third fin isn't really needed in wake surfing because you don't find you need the extra hold. You aren't blasting down the line or ripping huge lay backs off the lip.
Not to say that you couldn't have Brock make you a board with a center fin box to take advantage of the center fin when you want to have that hold. Your call.
Fins are super complicated. This might save me some time:Quote:
Originally Posted by Poison
http://finsciences.com/surfboard-fin...ag-hold-drive/
Some folks are just slow learners... the proper fins make all the difference in the world. A broom stick would come alive with the right fins![emoji12] Horse to water.....
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Cool article. I gave it a read.Quote:
Originally Posted by muehlcj
Yeah, fins are one of those things that I've just glossed over and haven't given much thought to--probably because it's a lot to absorb and I didn't feel compelled to mess with it. But you guys have sparked my curiousity...Quote:
Originally Posted by smorris7
If that would be the go-to setup for me, then I might be willing to take a chance and give it a shot. They have a set in stock and on sale at Evo Portland, but as luck would have it, they're actually CLOSED today for a company retreat or I'd head over at lunch and grab them to try tonight...Quote:
Originally Posted by muehlcj
I've talked to several pros that love the JJG's but ......Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
The F4 blackstix are a good option also. https://futuresfins.com/fins/f4-blackstix-3-0.html
I would check with DW and see if they carry them or can get them. You haven't had them for this long what's another week or two. Would be nice to see the board guys make a dollar. Nothing against EVO. PS is a FCS dealer so I can't help ya.
All the $$$ you've spent on boat upgrades, boards etc this will be the best $100 to date.
Brock is great. but full price + shipping = nope. Plus, there's nothing wrong with me supporting Evo as they're local to me. They started in Seattle and have a store now in Portland. They put on some cool events, and I'm happy to support them. Plus, they have a set for $82, so that's probably the best price I'd see. I'll just pop over there on my lunch hour and do some Sales Tax free shoppin' later this week.Quote:
Originally Posted by muehlcj
So brock cut you a killer deal on a custom surfboard or two that takes an incredible amount of work to design and create and that you love more then any other board on the market and you are going to cut him out of the picture for $28??? Which btw he could prob meet their price.Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
Man you are going to get cut from the marketing department.
whoa man. it's not that at all. You recommended some fins. I looked around and saw that I could drive 20 minutes and get them. I'd have them in my hands right now if they didn't have a company retreat today. That's all. it's really nothing about DW vs Evo. It's just grabbing a product and the fact that they were on sale was just icing on the cake. I mean, when I looked at fins, I looked to see where I could get them near me, and I didn't even know DS was an option.
It doesn't diminish my love for Doomswell or the boards (and hats and shirts) we've bought from them or my love for the brand. Heck, in July when I fly down to Houston, I'm gonna try to hook up with Brock if I can... He knows I got much love for the DS:
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I just spoke with Brock on the phone, explained the fin situation and he asked me to ask you to remove the sticker from your rack and halt all DW promotions. He mentioned something about 48hrs and legal action..............Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
Damn. I'm having flashbacks of getting threatening letters from lawyers about movies that I supposedly downloaded (but didn't!).Quote:
Originally Posted by muehlcj
Moral of the story: #DontMessWithTexas
Hey ya'all. thought I'd pass on some clarification in case unrelated people reading this thread are jumping to conclusions based on a little banter...
- Sounds like Parker Surfcraft is fairly passionate about the concept of buying fins from your board shaper of choice
- He busted my balls about getting my fins from somewhere other than Doomswell where I've bought boards
- He never actually spoke to Brock, he was just busting my balls. I didn't even bother contacting Brock because I knew it was just silliness.
- Brock text me this morning as he got word of this and thought it crazy that anyone would suggest me stop endorsing DS
- I filled him in, and everything's cool as I assured him that while PSC likes the idea of me supporting shapers, that he was undoubtedly just messin'
- Brock doesn't care where I buy fins, and told me "Buy them where it saves you money"
- I don't have any formal affiliation with Doomswell. I've loved their boards since I rode my first one. I was one of the few west coast riders back then to have rode one. He worked with me and my wife to set me up with a Nubstep with custom graphics. I've since bought my wife a Sparkplug. We give good reviews on them when asked because we like the product we own.
- That said, I didn't get "fired" from my fictional role, I actually just got PROMOTED today! My new title is "Amazing Ambassador"
Often people on here post enough to get comfortable as "forum friends" to throw a little banter back and forth. My interpretation is that's all that happened here. So if anyone was concerned, see above. :-)
If we can't bust a little balls, what fun can we have :o
Didn't bother me. I can take it. I figured the intent. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by jmvotto
Someone out there in the interwebz land read things more literally and must have got concerned. Hence by ball busting clarification for those not on the inside ball busting track!
Man good thing I didn't say that I sent a picture of the Starwars board to my contact at Lucas Film.........Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
LMAO. Yeah, now that Disney owns the Star Wars franchise, I'd probably be in Disney Jail right about now...Quote:
Originally Posted by muehlcj
Expect a call from Bob Iger.
I hope he sends me some Mickey Mouse ears!!! I'll have them embroidered to say "Parker Surfcraft".Quote:
Originally Posted by jmvotto
Hey, I happen to have a contact at Lucas Films. Maybe I'll run it by him just for kicks.
I have tried a number of boards, have not had the privilege of attending a demo day type situation so am sure I'm missing out on some great options for boards.
If someone is super confident in their board design and feels it meets a high standard in all aspects of measurement I would be happy to be an Ambassador if of course you send me said board for free!
Right now I'll just continue being and AmbASSador for the different brands I own and the different brands friends own that allow me to demo.
Out of all the boards I have seen and had my hands on the one board that strikes my fancy in the Victoria Captain. We got my son a Victoria last year and after practicing with a rope and board in the pool he got right up, also they seem very well made and love the looks of the boards. But then again Wake Wood Surf boards look good too.
Needless to say, this rant can go on and on. So who's sending me a free board to demo?
I got a broadcast you can demo
Sounds like a plan. Expect a cease and desist letter from our attorney. We are filed TM under article 28 sporting goods - the stylized representation of the letters P and S and the name Parker Surfcraft.Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
Try your luck.