I have surfed for a couple of seasons now. Is it too soon to try the Wakefoil?
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I have surfed for a couple of seasons now. Is it too soon to try the Wakefoil?
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I don't think it's "too soon".Quote:
Originally Posted by The General
So the insight I've gotten is that you don't need to go fast, like 15mph and you don't need to bother with ballast. Do it on a full length line. I guess it's a little counter-intuitive because we're used to varying the pressure on our rear foot, and this is better done with slight variations on the front foot.
I don't know anyone other than the guys at the boat dealer and the Slingshot rep that have actually done it though... I'm the only person I know that owns one (aside from our orthopedic knee specialist that's a kiteboarder and does foil kite boarding)
I've been waiting for a little bit warmer weather/water before I give it a try, but I'm looking forward to it. I've heard it takes a bit to get the hang of it and that you crash a LOT, but I'll let you know...
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Is that a wakefoil setup for $699.00? Thanks for the input. I'm gonna pull the trigger but still looking for a less expensive set up. The Slingshot is 1699.00 plus shipping. I'm also from Canada so its 40% more due to the exchange.
It WAS a setup for that price, until I bought it on ebay!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by The General
The one I got is the entry level liquid force foil fish. If I remember right, it retails for around $1,100. It doesn't have the adjustable mast length like the slingshot, but it's their entry level board/foil setup. I'm sure it'll be plenty for me.
Awesome lol Ill keep looking I guess. Can't wait to see it in use.
If you ever make it down to the Portland/Vancouver area, you can give it a try! (plus, slingshot sports is about an hour away, so it'd be fun to zip over there and talk to those guys.)Quote:
Originally Posted by The General
thanks for the offer, I appreciate that. I don't think I'll haul the boat quite that far though. I do have a trip planned to Coeur d'Alene, Idaho this summer though so I may have one shipped to a dealer in that area.
I wouldn't expect you to bring your boat, LOL. I'd be happy to take ya out on mine. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by The General
That's a good plan. If you buy from Slingshot themselves, you can probably avoid paying sales tax, as they are from Oregon which has no state sales tax. But their setup is a lot more expensive than the Liquid Force ones...
I have a sky ski which is different from this above the waterline. These things seem to have a mind of their own. The best advice I received was to look at a point eye level and at the center of the boat. Your body will follow the motion of your eyes. I tested the theory and it is true. That really made a difference for me and keeping low while learning.
I know when I was on a sit-ski on the snow, it was difficult to translate the normal motion a person would do on snowskis of pressure on the heels vs toes to forward/back pressure sitting in a chair. With the foil board, being able to use the front/rear legs to translate the forward/back pressure on the board seemed a LOT more natural to me. I guess I like being a sideways rider!Quote:
Originally Posted by 5:00
I'm hoping to get out on it tonight, so I'll report back!
Let us know for sure.
The tough thing about the sky ski is that your body is one with the board. It is like an airplane control surface. Move your hands down, the board goes up. Move your hands left the board goes right. That was tough to learn. At least you don't have to mess with that. Looks like a cool ride.
Note to all. Do NOT try and learn to foil board on a 36" mast. on the little 15" trainer mast, I got up first pull. No worries at all. even on the 24" mast, a couple pulls and I was up and riding, getting in some foil action.
the 36" mast is hard. I spent TONS of pulls just trying to even get up. Then the best I'd get was a second or two of glide before it bucked me off. It was like trying to tame a wild stallion.
Here's my take on the 36" mast:
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LOL looks like modified wakeboarding to me, not surfing at all
Can you get the shorter T bar? It is really weird when you get up that high off of the water too. Something just doesn't feel right.
[QUOTE=trayson;307101]Note to all. Do NOT try and learn to foil board on a 36" mast. on the little 15" trainer mast, I got up first pull. No worries at all. even on the 24" mast, a couple pulls and I was up and riding, getting in some foil action.
the 36" mast is hard. I spent TONS of pulls just trying to even get up. Then the best I'd get was a second or two of glide before it bucked me off. It was like trying to tame a wild stallion.
what was your speed on this dismount?
I was keeping the speed slow like we did on Saturday. That's what was advised by the foil manufacturers. So I was probably going about 12mph.Quote:
Originally Posted by The General
Well, it's called foil boarding, or Wake foiling. I was told to do it at wake length to learn and at a low speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmvotto
Eventually it's possible to actually do one with a surf wave and ride it without the rope! Don't know if I'll ever get there at this point! haha.
I'm going to look into getting a shorter mast. That I think would make a huge difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5:00
its a surfboard with foil , not a wakeboard with a foil , should try it with bindings...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by trayson
it's being adapted from Kiteboarding. Liquid Force and Slingshot are both big kite companies in addition to wakeboard and wakesurf. And with the crashes I'm taking, I'm plenty happy not to be strapped into the battle axe...Quote:
Originally Posted by jmvotto
So I found a pair of adapters to allow me to use a Slingshot mast on my Liquid Force foil fish. And I bought the set of the 3 slingshot masts in their "flight school" package (15, 24, and 30"). So that will probably make this a bit more attainable. And will certainly help others that try to learn using my gear. So $333 later, I'll have lots of mast height options.
Looking at these... all I see is an accident waiting to happen [emoji15] I've taken a kneeboard and surfboard to the face but that foil could really do some damage.
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[QUOTE=uniwarking;307289]Looking at these... all I see is an accident waiting to happen [emoji15] I've taken a kneeboard and surfboard to the face but that foil could really do some damage.
That's my biggest concern. On the other hand, most things that are fun, have some element of danger lol.
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Originally Posted by uniwarking
Exactly. I mean, I can't think of many activities that I enjoy that don't have a "serious injury or death" disclaimer. I certainly feel a LOT more risk riding my sportbike (even "protected" by full leather/boots/helmet/gloves/backprotector). Yeah, the foil has risk. it's kind of obvious--you're riding on top of a battle axe!Quote:
Originally Posted by The General
I wouldn't have bought a wake boat if I was concerned about keeping myself from accidents.
If ya think it's too risky, don't do it. I've never been one that would be all that risk adverse in my hobbies. However, the idea of owning my own business and being an entrepreneur scares me to death!
I'll at least make everyone wear helmets. :-)
I've been wakefoiling all summer long on the slingshot wakefoil.... it's amazing.. incredible. I was riding behind a small i/o boat I had and recently bought a moomba outback. Best part about wakefoiling is it doesn't matter what boat you have. Easily as fun (if not more fun) than wakesurfing!
This guy built his own electric jet wake foil. There is a whole video series on it complete with downloads for 3D printing files and materials. I would love to build one of these! Now that would be a blast. Imagine how quiet it would be with no boat and you go where you want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv-Ol6GXTxQ
I'll bump this thread to talk some more about foils.
I sold my liquid force foil fish. it was too much 'all or nothing' and I really struggled with it. However, I'm doing great on the Slingshot wakefoiler. the new model has FCS2 fin boxes so the board doubles as a surf board. I've been riding it consistently with the 24" mast. On my 2nd or 3rd day with it, I was able to ride 2+ miles over the course of 4 pulls. So I can get up every time and ride above the water consistently.
It's like the total beginner feeling all over again. I got excited to "cross the wake", LOL.
I finally pulled the trigger on a foil. I picked up the Liquid Force Wakefoil 2.0
I got up on the first try. The foot straps are 100% responsible I’m sure. I was amazed at how easily I was able to get up off the water. Just lighten the front foot and your up. I have a long way to go but I was able to get slack after about the third pull. It always seems to shoot forward too fast so I tried the wakeboard rope and started surfing the second wake back. It felt a little easier because I didn’t have to worry about hitting the boat. This created a new issue as well though because now there’s so much slack rope, theres no saving it if I lose the push. I’m 5’10” and 225lbs so I am blown away that it lifts me so easily.
I’m hooked!
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So I've been doing mine primarily at wakeboard length with the rope. Only tried it a couple times at surf length.
That said, I'm not really sure if I find it all that exciting after the initial thrill of gliding above the water has worn off. I mean, when I think about it on the surf wave, I think about how much more I can do on an actual surfboard... Aside from being able to dump most or all ballast, I'm not seeing how foiling the surf wave would be more fun than surfing the surf wave. (and I have equipment for both.
Sure, I'm all about getting a challenge, and that's what led me to buy one in the first place (as well as being one of the first to try something new).
Maybe if I got good enough to start getting airs??? I dunno. I don't see myself getting rid of it, but it hasn't blown my mind thus far.
I agree a lot of the draw is that its the newest thing. I definately think airs are possible, maybe not for someone my size but down at Middleweight perhaps lol
I've found that the trick to surf foiling (as opposed to riding at wakeboard length) is to stay 3ish or more feet away from the actual wave (assuming the first wave, not several back). I kept getting launched when thinking I needed to ride in the pocket like regular surfing, but had no problem the first time I wandered further from the wave. Even with no ballast the wake has so much push that it will launch you out and you won't be able to burn off the speed and recover (until you are really really good, then you'll do it on purpose). I ride (have a Slingshot Infinity 84) with surf tab at 9.5mph and once you find the sweet spot you can ride straight all day long and slowly work on carving to gain and lose speed.
I got the original slingshot Wakefoil and it’s a blast. I’ve almost given up surfing for the most part... took me a little bit to drop the rope, but it’s a blast once I figured out how far away from the wave you can go, or riding the second wave back.
I passed the slingshot on to a friend and now have a full carbon setup... 200 wing on a 29” mast. Game changer to say the least! Our goal this summer is to get multiple surfers on both regular and goofy, will post a vid if we get it done.
https://i.ibb.co/rQ6MvBx/JKz-GDQua-SF-Dhluh-Qswz-IA.jpg
How much for a carbon setup?
If you watch for deals, around $1000 for the foil setup. I’d recommend going to foilmount.com and getting a board that makes the most sense or buying that new singshot wf2... or finding a rep that can get you a deal. I have a couple boards that I use because I also take it to the ocean and surf the small stuff with the same foil.
I have the slingshot wakefoil setup with the standard wing (H5 wing I think? it's the blue one, LOL). What setup would you recommend for surfing?? How far forward or back should I mount the mast on the board? Should I use the 24" or the 30" mast? How much ballast should I use?Quote:
Originally Posted by jph3
Do you think it's really worth the money to get a bigger wing? or is my wing just fine?
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Like I said, I can comfortably ride at wakeboard length, so surfing is the next thing.
The bigger the wing the more lift... so it just depends on what you want to do. i am able to pump back and forth to ride both sides, and I am trying to figure out best way to ride 4th and 5th wave back. I would read this and see what would best suit you, but the best thing would be to master that H5 either way while you have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
(check chart at very bottom of page... its very accurate for the ones I have ridden: http://www.mackiteboarding.com/Foilb...Fridays-Ep-01/)
As for setup, I am running between 11-11.7, weight it evenly so both sides throw a killer second wave specifically. I rode my Slingshot behind a G23 fully ballasted and it just wasnt all that fun. Too much bucking/throwing.
Definitely try surfing it outside into the flats... you will find the push is in a weird spot, and then you use the carve to slow it back down as you come back into the wave. I spent way too much time going forward and back, and I should have been more concerned utilizing all 360* of the wave... very different from just wakesurfing alone.
The next toy on the list is a slingwing... been watching prices since others have released theirs (Naish, etc), but I have a pro deal that hopefully comes in June. Will be fun to use when the winds pick up at our local lake.
Slingshot is just a few hours away from me. I know a guy... that's what allowed me to pull the trigger on the wakefoil. I even drove out to their warehouse and picked it up to avoid big dollar shipping costs. (skip shipping and give the warehouse guy a 6-pack).
Come On! Hook up central!! I would ask them to try the new 84 wing for a day, guarantee you they have a demo. Also see if you can get a slingwing to try :)Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
Still enjoying my Slingshot foil. Any better suggestions for storage/transport? The bulk of the foil inside the boat is the only downside.
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