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Since there are a number of members starting to dial in their new boats, I thought there should be a new thread specifically about setting up the boat for surfing. Post your setup here with pics and let's get some collaboration happening! I should have something useful to contribute in the next few days.
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I'll post this here and in the CRAZ owner's thread.
I got out with a fellow forum member for a few hours on Friday afternoon. I have to preface this by noting that we were on a river with variable depths of 7-12 feet while surfing. Most of the time, the depth was around 9ft. Water depth was affecting the amount of push we were getting, so we played around quite a bit. Best results were as follows:
Surf side = Port (regular)
Speed = 10.5mph (but I went all the way down to 9.5mph and it was still good)
Ballast = 1,100's in the rear full, center tank full, IBS empty
Autoflow setting = 55%
Passengers = 1 on the port side
The wave was huge with this setup. We probably had too much weight in the back, but that's what it took to get a wave with enough push to go ropeless. I'll try to get out on some deeper water in the next couple weeks to try it with some weight up front.
I was not able to go rope less unless my center and ibs tank was full. I'm running the stock bags though.
2016 Moomba Craz
Gunmetal W/ flake
Atomic Orange Accent
Black Deck and Hull
What was the rest of your setup? Passengers, speed, autoflow settings, and water depth?
I'm hoping that I can add some weight up front in deeper water and still get good results.
Front ibs full I still had plenty of push. We are also finding 55% and 10.4-.5 is best.
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07, next time drive up to the depere launch. would have been MUCH easier than that detour to the other ramp and we'll try some deeper water.
having surfed that boat last summer with factory ballast and again friday, the wave was 100% better on friday and if it would have been some deeper water it would have been solid.
I took a quick snap of the wave as he was dialing it in and has nice shape and length, just need some depth of water to get a little more height and some push to it. was able to ride wireless for a spell tho..
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Thanks Scott! Had a great time, despite the detour and relatively shallow water.
I think that pic was prior to me emptying the IBS. After that, the wave looked twice as tall, but also much shorter.
I just went ropeless for the first time Saturday. Second time out! Seemed like it was pretty easy to keep going, good push. Here is my setup:
3 people, 2 guys evenly distributed in back and my wife driving. So had more # on sb side I guess.
Port surf 50%
Wake plate up
Full 900s in rear
Mid full and front ibs 15% (front ballasts 65% on read out)
10.7 MPH recently GPS verified
100ft deep and coooold!
Sorry no photos of just the wake without my goofy butt on it.
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I'll snap a better pic next time... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 07STI
Me too! Only reason I caught that is it looks the same as the pic I took, which was before emptying the IBS.
Looking forward to getting out again!
I was tight on time today so I didn't get a chance to fill additional bags. I ran 1100 rears and stock floor tank and 500 ibs. For what it's worth, I wasn't able to ride the wave, just admire them.
Regular wave: 65% autoflow, wake plate all the way up all ballast full except I ran about 80% ballast in opposite locker, speed at 10.8-11.1.***** This seemed to produce the biggest cleanest wave.
Goofy: 85% autoflow, wake plate all the way up, all ballast full except i ran 60% ballast in opposite side, speed at 11.1-11.2.**
I tried weighting the boat evenly at first, but found that I needed to dump some ballast on the opposite side in order to clean up the goofy wave. This also helped the reg wave but it was fairly clean to begin with. Now keep in mind I didn't have any passengers, so just shifting an extra person or two to surf side would likely accomplish the same thing.
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Please post how it rides when you get a chance. I want to see if it was me/my crew but when I did that speed with that long for a wave we have very little push. We had to back to about 10.5 and slightly play with settings to clean it up because that length didn't give much push at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattsask
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I'm coming from a late 90's mastercraft dd. I could surf that tiny wave all day long on a little hyperlite coex as long as the face was clean. This wave looked to be at least twice the size, although I was expecting larger. I should be able to give you my honest opinion once I get on the wave.
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I think these pictures can be misleading w wake size. I am running factory ballast (w surf package) and my wave looks huge in person. I am coming from an 05 Avalanche w about 1600lbs of ballast, leaning hard to the surf side. My dealer gave me a sheet showing recommendations for all models and claimed the craz should be set similar to the mojo. It recommended 70/80 for surf tabs, both rears full and a 60/30 rear to front weight ratio. It says the platform should set level with the water if the weight is correct. To much rear weight would sink the platform below water level. I used these settings and was able to surf ropeless for the first time. I liked the wave but felt like it could be longer so I will play around w that. This was with 4 people in boat and wake plate at 50 percent. This was also done it kinda rough water, I will try to get some pictures next outing as well.
Agreed that pics can be misleading.
I'm glad to hear that you were able to surf with your stock setup.
With respect to the recommended setup, it seems like there's conflicting info all over the place. Your dealer gave you a sheet. We have the sticky in the general section with information from Jon at SC. And we also have our owner's manual. I don't know if there are any consistencies between them. Having the platform level with the water line probably makes sense with the stock ballast setup, but if you upgrade the rear ballast, it's going to sink the boat/platform under the water line. You might be able to get it level with water line by adding people up front, but it will definitely be under water.
How much weight did you have in your IBS with your setup? And where were the 4 people in your boat? Just curious how you had the 60/30 (or is that supposed to be 70/30?) weight distribution between rear sacs, IBS, and passengers.
Yes I have noticed quite a bit of different information as well. 4 people were in the cabin area. Played around putting one up front on surf side but did not notice huge difference, again water was a little rough as well. And yes I meant 70/30, typo. I filled the center/front to around 70 or 75 percent based on factory timer and gauge settings. I was going to try at 100 percent w 4 in the cabin but ran out of time. I have only had it out 3 times now, hopefully as time goes on there will be more information and consistency in how the get the best possible combo.
I'm not sure why everyone is having a hard time getting the wave dialed .... I literally filled my 900s.. center.. and nose bags till water was spewing out all overflow tubes... set my cruise to 10.8 wake plate at 3/4 and Boom! Sick wave that literally gets my 316 pound buddy going ropeless.. I usualy have about 4 more people in the boat plus me which is about another 1000 pounds ... if I want a longer wave I speed up to about 11 and take wake plate to around 1/2 or make some people sit up front in the bow ... I think my autoflow 2.0 is set at 65% on the plate surfing reg side. FYI my platform sits about 8 or more inches under the water line when I'm at a stand still
Issue for me may have more to do with the fact that my water depth was only 7-9' or so. Perhaps filling everything up and going is all I need to do when in water 15'+. But, I wasn't getting any push with everything full, 2 passengers, and changing speed/autoflow settings at 7-9'. I have also only had 2 passengers in the cabin area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jwredmon101
Yep, you have a problem with your water, not your boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by 07STI
That's what we figured. I did try 1 time last fall on a lake with depths of 50+ feet and didn't have luck. But, I may not have had my IBS or 1,100's at that time. Don't recall.
Yea I am stock ballast and my only thought was having the wave longer. I think with bigger rear bags, and a little more speed that could happen. I can't complain though I was able to ride until I got tired with stock ballast, just seems picky w some water conditions. With the 900 lb bags, which brand are you using? Do they push in on the engine bay?
Also I noticed my gauges for the ballast fill are off from the factory, so I think there have been times where my factory ballast were not as full as they could be.
Alright... Filled 900lb rears and center/Ibs to about 75%. Autoflow 2.0 at 65/75. Cruise set at 10.5. Wakeplate at 50%. Couldn't get the boat to plain out with two people in the boat? Did notice rear bags putting about 1 inch of pressure on engine compartment walls.
Your boat wouldn't plane? you must have prop or elevation issues holding you back if that's your setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffCook3
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Water depth is definitely a factor for you. my wave gets chopped in half when I get into shallower water. It's so noticeable I almost don't even need a depth gauge!Quote:
Originally Posted by 07STI
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Figured it out today. With 900s, you've got to have weight in front.
I was able to get 1100's for the rear. All I have to say is wow. We use to keep alot of weight on the front foot now we have to keep it on the rear.
Both 1100's full, front tank and ibs full, wake plate 1/2 way, port side 50-60%. 4 people in the boat , 1 cockpit, 1 observer, 1 in right, 1 in left rear. Speed 10 to 11
Finally got to surf the new ride. 1100's full plus stock ibs full. 5 adults and a baby all in the cabin. Probably 1000 lbs of human ballast total.
Regular surf: tab at 65% , wake plate 50%, speed 10.6
Goofy surf: tab at 80%, wake plate 50%, speed 10.8
In both cases we shifted one passenger to the surf side. The wave was big and VERY surfable. 2 of the riders tossed the rope for the first time after surfing their boat unsuccessfully for a few seasons. Could definitely use more weight up front though. I will put a 250lb bag under the bow filler cushion next outing. Here is a pic of the regular wave. I didn't get a pic of the goofy wave, as I'm the only goofy rider in the crew. For reference the rider is 6' 210 ish.
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Attachment 24291Attachment 24292Attachment 24293 had a great time on the craz this weekend ...love surfing this boat.. I'm 220 and 6'0 . Tons of push and length on this wave!!!
Alright the guy at wake makers recommend a 2775 prop should I go with it or the 2079
2016 Moomba Craz
Gunmetal W/ flake
Atomic Orange Accent
Black Deck and Hull
What is your setup?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jwredmon101
No experience with 2775, but 2079 is awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by BrokeGuy
With the new 1100s I couldn't go past 12 mph, with everything full running the standard prop.
2016 Moomba Craz
Gunmetal W/ flake
Atomic Orange Accent
Black Deck and Hull
Same here. I ran 1,100's, full center, and full bow and was unable to plane out last fall. Now, no issue with the 2079Quote:
Originally Posted by BrokeGuy
What rpms are you running when surfing with that prop? I am hitting around 3k with the 2419 on mine all sacked out same as youQuote:
Originally Posted by 07STI
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I'm running 3500 with standard prop.
2016 Moomba Craz
Gunmetal W/ flake
Atomic Orange Accent
Black Deck and Hull
Not sure. I'll have to pay attention when I get out next. I know I topped out around 37 or 38.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtatexc
Gotcha. I don't think I've ever tried going over 30mph lmao.
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I don't like running the rpm's that high, but I was curious to see if it'd go over 36. Needless to say, that run was short-lived.
Are you running the oj 945 or the other less agressive prop?Quote:
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