Will test tomorrow.
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Looms awesome!!! Love to see pics of the wave with that thing!
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Originally Posted by saskyrider
That looks tiny
I made it. 48" wide. Wood covered by fiberglass cloth.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmvotto
Looks good and it should work. Kudos for doing that.
Would not call that a geto gate.
I think you will find all the depth is not necessary unless you have the boat listing heavily.
We have found that height out of the water is critical if you want to really slam the the thing in the water you will submerge the gate greatly diminishing its effectiveness.
What angle is it at?
There is almost no angle for the blade, it is in line with the hull. I'll post pics later but the gate worked very well. We were running about 5k in ballast with about a 500lb bias to the surf side. The wave was strong, clean, and noticeably longer.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/2eme5asa.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/jeja2aby.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/pu8e6uzu.jpg
Just realized that my wife didn't get any pics with me and I didn't get a pic of just the wave. I'll get more photos next time out.
Surfed well with 900s in both rear lockers, 1180 in the playpen locker, partially filled 540 on top of the 1180 in the playpen. 400 in the bow, 400 in solid ballast on surf side under ballast boy seat. I really enjoyed the slight list and no bags on the seats in the lounge area.
The wave was even better when I added the 900 to the lounge area floor. This wasn't needed but why not....
There is some reduction in steering control with the gate but not anything unmanageable.
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Are the gates fixed or do they deploy / swing out?
looks like the sides of the boat got lengthened about 2 feet. some of you guys are doing some very creative wave mods, wish I had the ability
The gate is fixed. The blade started as a 12" x 24" piece of HDPE. I then trimmed to match the contours of the hull.
Pretty easy to piece together with a jig saw and some screws.
Did you deploy at a full 90 degrees or something less? I would think the longer wings would allow less angle to do the same as the Flow which would have less stress on the mounts.
Sorry about the b-ball game in the background and try not to notice the zig zag screw pattern.
The blade is set a to be in a straight line with the hull.
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Impressive, with all that ballast I would have guessed the thing would have been completely submerged.
I like the fact that you can surf with just whatever ballast you have and the wake just gets longer and taller as you pile on the weight.
The ballast was close to an even split front to rear. When I added the 900 to the lounge area floor it did not really change the pitch of the boat too much. I assume that weight biased toward the rear may have put out the blade underwater. It also helped that I ran 400lbs more on the surf side raising the gate side up a bit.
The top of the gate stayed out of the water, both at speed and resting with the weight distribution that I used.
So why did you choose to have the gate come straight out as an extension of your hull? I mean, I guess I can see how it might be a bit easier to do it that way and all, but why wouldn't you put it out at about the 15 or 20 degree angle like Malibu and Axis do? Yours is the 2nd that I've seen where it's done as basically just a hull extension and not angled like Malibu does.
Honestly about anything will function as a means of delaying convergence of the wakes. I went with a system that was similar to the NSS blades because it's stealth when not in use and I can change from regular to goofy in under 10 seconds with nothing extra to carry on the boat. And when I'm done it's stowed away and not even a thought.
I SERIOUSLY considered doing a Malibu like design, and even had an exact template of the size/shape of a 2014 Axis surf gate. That and a pair of stainless steel hinges and some bimini parts to prop it out and I would have had a gate that deployed and retracted that had the same dimensions. (I figure why go off and design your own angles, size, shape when boat engineers have already done it for you. That's why I have my NSS style blades deploy 3" outward and about 1" downward. Because someone else did the engineering on it before me...)
Well done for whipping something up. You're sure into it a LOT fewer hours than I am on mine.
Looks just like what I did...Quote:
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Trayson- I went with the hull extension (blade with no angle) as an experiment to see if there would be less steering drag when compared with a blade that extends past the side of the hull. In all honesty, I don't know if there is an difference in steering or wave between the designs as this is the only method that I have tested. I am happy with the result so I don't plan to try the angled blade version. I have about $125 into material and hardware and maybe 2-2.5 hrs including finding all the right tools in the garage and cleanup.
My platform is very narrow at 48" but is almost completely out of the wave when listed or using the gate. The shape is virtually identical to yours. No coincidence as I looked at your platform before making mine.
Parrothd - If I knew that hydroturf would stick to HDPE I would have gone that route vs wood covered in fiberglass. If I ever need to redo the platform I will likely use HDPE. So easy to work with and no chance of rot.
Makes sense. I have to imagine that there are a lot of ways to delay the convergence. Sounds like yours is working great and it is by far the BEST looking gate I've seen that's not hard attached to the boat. And you've certainly got less time invested, no question there.Quote:
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^^^^^^^^^ THIS. Although all the plastic dealers say that stuff won't stick to HDPE, so I'm hopeful with how his has been good so far but I've still got a tinge of doubt that it'll stick for the long haul. I REALLY hope he proves me wrong...Quote:
Parrothd - If I knew that hydroturf would stick to HDPE I would have gone that route vs wood covered in fiberglass. If I ever need to redo the platform I will likely use HDPE. So easy to work with and no chance of rot.
It's funny, mine was supposed to be a "prototype" and I've been rocking it for a year. I got some $15 closed cell foam off ebay and threw that on top of mine and figure I'll use it until it starts to fall apart, LOL.
I put some left over matching Hydroturf on my HDPE gate. sticking so far with no issue but only a short time has passed. The top section is good sized and would be super slippery when wet.http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...4e097b2be4.jpg
You'll find the longer the gate the less angle is needed and also you probably do not need half the hardware you have on it to keep it together for the speeds you doing. Looks good!
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The large # of screws are certainly excessive after watching it while in use. I kept adding screws until I ran out. A little overkill.....
I can agree with the theory that the longer the gate the less angle needed. Makes sense to me. My gate is 24" at the longest point.
I wish I had lined up the screws better. That is all I see when I look at it. I should not worry about it as there is no wave improvement due to straight/pretty hardware placement.
I can agree with you on aesthetics. I WISH I would have bought the black HDPE for my surf system instead of the white.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boonejeepin
And I guess I also prove the fact that length is inversely related to angle. My angle is 90 degrees and my surf blade protrudes a whopping 3".
You can fill the holes. It won't be perfect but not a hole anymore. Heat up a piece of scrap and drip if into the drilled out holes. Don't let it get too hot that it gets soot in it. If you think about it (and after you watch out work in real life, not on your head) the water pressure (which is a lot less than you would think) is pushing in on your system. You only really need the hardware you seeking to keep it together until you build the pressure and for all the times your not going straight ahead. The bracket I use on mine to keep the gate deployed uses a thin rivet on its hinges. I was going to replace them with stainless bolts but decided against it because 1- they have held up through all my r&d and 2 (the biggest reason) they are a fail safe. If for some reason I hit something , forget there deployed and take off our go took fast in reverse I believe they will fail, alleviating the pressure before other things do.
Got a few pics. Pretty windy so I didn't get too many. I'll get more this weekend.
Even weight w no ghetto gate. No bags on floor or seats.http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...f036c2967f.jpg
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Time to ride the tube! Awesome Russ!
(by "TUBE" I MEAN CURL! Put the airpump down and back away slowly...)
That is awesome Russ.... kinda weird but I almost wish i didn't have the flow so i could play around with stuff like this! haha.... I have a buddy at the lake that has an 08 SAN and his kid was our riding behind the Mondo a couple weeks ago and couldn't believe the surf wave while keeping the boat level... i showed him this thread and some of the others on "ghetto gates" and he is going to do some prefab to play around on is own now.
Wow, great wave. How are you keeping your transom from getting scratched?
I used some adhesive weatherstripping from Lowes on the blade edge. I have to find something more permanent but working fine so far.Quote:
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That looks sick.
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Just a short video of me failing at another 360 attempt w Ghetto Gate installed.
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Nice looking wave. If you find you want a little steeper wave you can decrease the angle a bit and it will stand up your lip.
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I am lost what angle? the ghetto gate or the wake plate?
His "gate" comes out directly from the hull. he is running ZERO degrees angle... it's really just a hull extension.Quote:
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I think he's talking about the angle of the gate. His system is adjustable.Quote:
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So I'm curious - now that you have some run time and success with the ghetto gate, any thoughts if you'll do this all the time moving fwd vs loaded and listing? 50/50 of the time? 80/20 of the time, etc. ?
I see myself using the gate the majority of the time. It creates a clean face without explaining to everyone why they need to be on one side of the boat. Using the gate frees my seat from bags and I like that as well.Quote:
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I am sure I will load up with a list from time to time just for fun.
I tend to agree. the convenience factor is awesome. and the increased convenience in the boat and driving the boat is wonderful. And the ability to switch from side to side quickly (well, with my system anyway = under 10 seconds) is great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boonejeepin
It gets to the point where if you can get a "good enough" wave with all the benefits above, that it makes the overall boating experience better.
Increase the angle of the gate away from the platform. I'm sure there is a way to shim it out of needed.Quote:
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